[Spoiler] Omega 1-4 + Story feedback

I didn't have much expectation for this raid or the story going into it but I had hoped it wouldn't repeat the same mistake of Alexander and leave all the interesting story until the last tier. Unfortunately that seems to again be the case. We are going into this zone to learn more about Omega I guess? Following some crazy chocobo lol. I mean sure we need to learn more about it but the story didn't leave me with any interest at all after completing it. Omega is like "lol I can blow you up mortals" like some Dragonball Z character haha. It's just not very interesting. I hope they do much better with tier 2 but since it is following same bland introduction as with Alexander my hopes are pretty destroyed at this point.

As far as the fights are concerned, they aren't very interesting. V2.0 and V3.0 have unique stuff and are pretty fun! I liked them, but V1.0 is really boring and the boss doesn't do anything or have any unique mechanics. V4.0 mentions void but ??? nothing happened ??? maybe all my groups were OP ? lol but there was no reason to even have mentioned it. That fight just felt like I was playing the 5 headed dragon in world of darkness.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

I think this is an FF5 themed raid series. Syldra Mount, Chicken knife weapon, Omega, Rifts, Ex-Death etc.... I think each sphere will be strictly FF5 themed bosses.

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A remastered version of Neo-Exdeath's theme is already in the files, unused, and Yoshida said previously that we could expect a Brutal Justice moment in O4. It's extremely likely that he'll show up in a savage-only phase.

Additionally, Omega told us very early on that combatants were grouped according to dimension, suggesting that FFV bosses were exclusive to Deltascape. O5-O11 will, presumably, be characters from 4 or 6-10. 3 was mostly stripmined for Crystal Tower, and we already know that the 24-man will be Return to Ivalice. 6 I'm unsure about because of how much of it was used for Stormblood's MSQ, but considering they threw in Exdeath, this seems like as good a time as any for Kefka.

I'm thinking VIII and X for the next parts if they move away from V. Omega was in those two games. Ultimecias Castle fits the theme too. Maybe Inside Sin for X.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

A remastered version of Neo-Exdeath's theme is already in the files, unused, and Yoshida said previously that we could expect a Brutal Justice moment in O4. It's extremely likely that he'll show up in a savage-only phase.

Additionally, Omega told us very early on that combatants were grouped according to dimension, suggesting that FFV bosses were exclusive to Deltascape. O5-O11 will, presumably, be characters from 4 or 6-10. 3 was mostly stripmined for Crystal Tower, and we already know that the 24-man will be Return to Ivalice. 6 I'm unsure about because of how much of it was used for Stormblood's MSQ, but considering they threw in Exdeath, this seems like as good a time as any for Kefka.

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Omega comes from FFV, yet the music playing while in the Deltascape field sounds like it came from FFX.

Keep in mind that Gilgamesh, also came from FFV, and has been in every FF game since. So "those from another dimension" would likely not be exclusive to Final Fantasy per se

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/I...mensional_Rift

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The Rift is a bizarre mishmash of dimensions, where the rules of space and time do not necessarily apply the same way as they do in the normal world. Several of the locations in the Rift are similar (and may be) places consumed through Exdeath's use of the Void.

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Deltascape appears to be a "computer simulation" version of exactly that. Take note that the running theme in the first 4 had a castle in various forms, with the final one having it as debris.

If I were hazard a guess these are going to be 3 major bosses from another FF game and the games final villain. It just likely will not be FF3 or FF6 as we've already seen all the interesting lore from those games used.

If you pay attention two pieces of the HW lore you'll also note
"13 mirror worlds" created with Zodiark's defeat. Zodiark is basically "darkness" or "chaos", while Hydaelyn is "light"

How many games came before FFXIV? 13 (not including the -2's.)

As Nero said, these entities are manifestations of what he would believe to be fairy tales. So each of these mirror worlds are implied to be the worlds of the other games. But you have to go back to FFV for a second and also realize that the key turning point in FFV was the merging of two worlds that were pulled apart by the crystals to seal the void.

Think about that for a moment.

The entities that appear in these Deltascape raids are that of "epic battles" from other worlds beyond the void (that Omega may have seen.) The most likely candidates are from games we haven't seen any references to at all yet, like FFX and FFIX. Omega, like Gilgamesh, travels through the Void seeking stronger warriors (Gilgamesh just likes swords), while Shinryu seeks Omega. We defeated Shinryu so Omega ultimately has no end-game.

It's very likely we do not defeat Omega, we simply seal it away like in other games. The most lore-appropriate choices would be from other games where Omega/Ultima weapon appear to fill in some of the lore gaps for players who haven't played those games.

I really wish people stop comparing every raid to Coil.

Coil was special. Bahamut ended 1.0 and was a raid boss in 2.0

4.0 normal raid was not boring, it was fun!

I liked Omega. I found the fights fun and entertaining. If you want a challenge, just wait for the savage mode to come out. For people like me who have a fear of raiding, Omega is a nice place to get your feet wet.

i like how wherever you tell your opinion about this raid around the internet people reply with "well its from FF5" , duh
ive been really really looking for something as epic as the coils or something near but then we got even more fanservice like we dont have enough of it in the game already , it kinda sad how this game does this for the original final fantasy fans but a lot of them say nothing but " the online FF games are not considered real numbered games or a real FF games"

Would like to see more FF bosses you know like Sephrioth or Kefka.

I haven't read most of this thread, but I find the story to be very distracting so far, personally. I don't mind SE paying homage to previous versions of FF in their dungeons and raids, but thus far, Omega has moved well beyond 'easter egg' references and into outright silliness. It feels a bit like the Hildibrand writers were assigned to a Raid.

This would be far less of an issue if SE actually provided a proper amount of end-game level Raid content, but they don't. This isn't the 'silly Raid' out of a group of three or so; it's the only Raid storyline we're getting for an entire expansion cycle. When it feels like a half-arsed mix of Portal, Pankration from FFXI, and goofy references to FF5, it's very disappointing to large swaths of the player base. I'd wager this is doubly true for the Savage-level Raid crowd (it seems reasonable that people more receptive to goofier environs and storylines are, on average, less-serious players).

I'd also point out that the tone and feel of Omega is, at the moment, a complete polar opposite from how the weapon was introduced in FFXIV. That's poor design right there, too.

It's of course possible that SE improves the storyline in future content updates, but I think it's safe to agree with the OP in terms of this being a distinct step down from Coil, story-wise.

I think it's whimsical and fun which are my favorite qualities in FF stories.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

I'd also point out that the tone and feel of Omega is, at the moment, a complete polar opposite from how the weapon was introduced in FFXIV. That's poor design right there, too.

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We're participating in his game because he intends to fabricate enough monsters to massacre most of Hydaelyn. He went from a robot made to capture Bahamut to something borderline omnipotent.

http://i.imgur.com/wpeZlc6.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rhindas

The second boss was really hard for me thanks to colorblindness but once I found the safe spots and saw that the one tentacle stops moving, I was able to manage. I was just discussing with my FC about how forgiving the majority of these mechanics are this time. Which is both good and bad, I guess.

I was just all fanboy over the FFV stuff, I admit it, but I really didn't think the end boss would be that, I was expecting Necrophobe, because I thought they'd save the tree for the next one like they did Xande. Incidentally I wonder if Greg will help with Necrophobe if he/it shows up....

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Right, it was a surprise and I can't say it was a pleasant one.
Exdeath deserved a lot more. I mean, CoD was the last boss in her raid and Exdeath could have been a lot more epic than what it turned out taking into account all the void stuff. Maybe, he'll come back later.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

We're participating in his game because he intends to fabricate enough monsters to massacre most of Hydaelyn. He went from a robot made to capture Bahamut to something borderline omnipotent.

http://i.imgur.com/wpeZlc6.jpg

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There's a difference between the objective goal of Omega, which is fine, and the tone and feel of Omega, which is what's broken in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

I'm thinking VIII and X for the next parts if they move away from V. Omega was in those two games. Ultimecias Castle fits the theme too. Maybe Inside Sin for X.

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Omega and Omega Weapon are two different beings in Final Fantasy.
Omega has always been a robot where as Omega Weapon in VIII and X are two different organic beings, the latter being someone who turned into the creature.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

There's a difference between the objective goal of Omega, which is fine, and the tone and feel of Omega, which is what's broken in my opinion.

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Could you explain then?

I personally do not feel that the tone and feel of omega is broken in any ways. All of its actions, and assessments, thus far have perfectly fit in line with its stated objectives, including the creation of Alpha to act as bait to lure hero class entities into its testing zone. The declaration of war scene was also great.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

When it feels like a half-arsed mix of Portal, Pankration from FFXI, and goofy references to FF5, it's very disappointing to large swaths of the player base.

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Large swaths but isn't it your (singular) opinion? I've only seen two posts so far that say the story's not that good, or that Omega's presentation isn't to their liking.

To me, the story is a little bit more threatening than Alexander, because while we do have a Chocobo with us, it's not like we have to listen to Goblinspeak 90% of the time, and Ms. I-Touch-My-Scar-So-Much.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

The only thing I found disappointing was the fact that when Exdeath ran out of HP, the duty was complete. Something definitely felt missing there.

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This was my reaction. I was watching his hp dropping near the end and going "Laws of the Universe mean nothing? Is something going to happen? Neo Exdeath?"

As someone pointed out though, if there is a Neo Exdeath in the works it almost certainly will show itself in the savage version, ala the extra form of Brute Justice from A8S.

Meaning I won't get to see it until the fight is irrelevant and nobody cares about it anymore. Sadface.

Gotta say, FFXIV is my first final fantasy with FFXV being something i follow on the side and while other references/homages in FFXIV have been fine to me, this raid crosses the line towards laziness.


The charm of FFXIV imo was that i couldnt tell what was reference and what was 1.0 stuff. The crystal tower was woven into Allagan lore, Sky pirates fit into the sky. All FFXI model ports fit sorta (except some of them are too low res)
The new raid is just a paperthin excuse for lazy fanservice. No FFXIV take on the bosses. No direction. Just port em in and let the fans have a go.
I did not know crystal tower wasnt FFXIV related until after i played it. I did not know Alexander was a summon as his arkitecture is definately sharlayan in my mind. Alpha? Sticks out like a sore thumb. Omega didnt bother me as in 3.55 we thought him to be allagan. I thought they were going to take a ffxiv spin on the classic. Nope.


Namedrops and shared concepts are a given in Final Fantasy as i have come to understand it. But isnt the point of them to make regulars feel welcome while allowing newcomers to have a seat at the table? I dont go watch Star Wars episode 8 to see Darth Vader and Obi Wan have a wack at each others.

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Originally Posted by Enur

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Just play the games or read a wiki article. You just sound like you're that upset about feeling left out. FFXIV does stand out on its own being a shout out to the series. Besides the story of Omega explains clearly that it's not just thrown in for the sake of it you already admitted ignorance, Omega has always been a time traveling interdimensional being in FFV, TAY, XII and XIII-2 why would XIV be different? It's Omega that's his thing. As for Alexander, why be upset at him? He's always been in a number of titles. He's a recurring summon from the series as a whole along with Ifrit and Shiva.

I have no idea about FFV but love the place so far, can't wait for Savage version! :D

Omega is really mostly GlaDOS revisited. Its behaviour is a reference to another game franchise, or they just copied a lot, down to its psychotic argument of why it does what it does.

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

And? Doesn't make it any less boring and uninspired for BGM to a raid.

Just because it is a callback to a previous FF doesn't make it instantly awesome.

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Being a callback to FF5 makes instant awesome in my eyes and ears.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

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I think you misunderstand, i am not upset at final fantasy characters reoccuring, not at all. I welcome Alexanders and Shivas (And knights of the round) if they are done properly. I recognize they are a part of the series, but i wish for them to have a place in FFXIVs story, instead of just whisking it away with "Oh its a fairy-tale its oki"

Im just sad at the missed potential in a way.

Omega, at least got a bit of very important involvement in the lore, making it the reason Allag rose to technological dominance essentially causing all of our problems since.

Exdeath sounds like something straight out of the War of Magi, i would have loved to see it be introduced as both a tool to explore that era and be a neat callback. The supposed fairy tale he sports in now? Will we ever get it told? I very much doubt it.

Halicanarssus may be something as there is a Succubus voidsent in Haukke Hard mode sharing name. Are they related? Did that voidsent inspire that fairy tale? Will we learn of this connection? Doubt it.

I just want all the classic final fantasy bosses to help expand FFXIV instead of introducing them for their legacy alone.




Alpha still annoys me. Too outlandish imo, a more realistic critter would have sufficed.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

Omega is really mostly GlaDOS revisited. Its behaviour is a reference to another game franchise, or they just copied a lot, down to its psychotic argument of why it does what it does.

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It's a trope, everyone under the sun has used it.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

It's a trope, everyone under the sun has used it.

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You're a monster for trying to get me lost in that hellhole known as tvtropes again.