More then 1 boost to 60 plz

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Originally Posted by TheCount

Not a valid choice unless you play a healer/tank and even then it's still boring to grind the same dungeon a bunch of times then move on to the next and etc

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What isn't a valid choice? Doing dungeons?
Haven't we spammed the dungeons this entire time to begin with? You do the same with the newer dungeons.
Roulette's still give you a good boost without being bored of your mind
running PoTD. When I DPS, I have fun and learn my rotation as a DPS. PoTD
teaches me nothing, nor is it fun. I rather have FUN than fall asleep on my Keyboard.
Different strokes I guess. You have the options there. This game is a time sink.
So that's why I don't understand the OP's "I don't have time" thing.
Jumping to 60 makes no difference because you still need TIME to get to 70 and rinse/repeat
the same stuff we've been doing for years...but now, it's "NEW" expansion smell people are wanting to get
and people wanna get to the end like everyone else. It's their money at the end of the day.
I'm just here for the argument of time, not because of bad players and so on.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

What isn't a valid choice? Doing dungeons?
Haven't we spammed the dungeons this entire time to begin with?
Roulette's still give you a good boost without being bored of your mind
running PoTD. When I DPS, I have fun and learn my rotation as a DPS. PoTD
teaches me nothing, nor is it fun. I rather have FUN than fall asleep on my Keyboard.
Different strokes I guess. You have the options there. This game is a time sink.
So that's why I don't understand the OP's "I don't have time" thing.
Jumping to 60 makes no difference because you still need TIME to get to 70 and rinse/repeat
the same stuff we've been doing for years...but now, it's "NEW" expansion smell people are wanting to get
and people wanna get to the end like everyone else. It's their money at the end of the day.
I'm just here for the argument of time, not because of bad players and so on.

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Unless you're talking about a level 70 dungeon, or atleast a level 60+ dungeon, you aren't learning your rotation in a dungeon. You're learning how to do your rotation without key elements.

For bard, you learn how to play with only two songs, possibly delaying them for bosses or whatever instead of keeping 100% uptime, and you learn to use your DPS cooldowns on a song other than wanderer's minuet.
For summoner, you learn how to manage your dreadwyrm trance in a way that doesn't necessarily consider the impact of delaying the third one and slowing down bahamut.
For samurai, you learn to use your kenki with abandon (or not at all, depending on the level), rather than considering guren cooldown, and you learn a flow that is extremely slow on kenki generation.
For blackmage, you don't have fire 4, blizzard 4 or enochian until 60, and dont have ruin until 70. The rotation doesn't even resemble what you do after 60 at 59.
For paladin, you don't learn anything about incorporating a holy spirit window into your physical damage rotation.

Need I go on?

The only things you learn about playing jobs at low level is how not to do it at high level.

PotD is far better at teaching people how to play their job than dungeons pre-60 could ever hope to be. How to play their role will get jammed down their throat in the dungeons from 60-70 and in endgame.

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Originally Posted by Furious

PotD is far better at teaching people how to play their job than dungeons pre-60 could ever hope to be. How to play their role will get jammed down their throat in the dungeons from 60-70 and in endgame.

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From what I've read and seen, people do PoTD just to level their jobs to about 60 from 51-60 runs.
As someone who has done that a few times and overall stopped because the boredom, it taught me nothing as
mobs die instantly. The boss takes maybe a minute tops. I never heard anyone go out their way to do PoTD
to learn their Job...News to me.

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Originally Posted by Furious

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No my argument is that both are a journey and part of the game. It does not matter if leveling process is different than gearing process. When you start leveling more classes, both are about repeating (or "grinding") the same dungeons over and over.
In fact it's even more repeatitive for the gearing process as you will just do over and over the same few end-game instances, while leveling you can revisit about every different dungeons and areas from level 15 to 70.

As I was saying in my previous post, FF XIV is a Story based RPG where you level up your character classes. If leveling should be irrelevant then it should be completely removed from the game and every one should have the same level (or no level at all) from the start. But for me that would a different game, not anymore a game has been designed and sold as "leveling up" game.

As for considering a hybrid version where you can optionally buy job potions from the Mogstation, while keeping the leveling process intact. I am against it as well because it directly change the experience and fairness of the game based on how much one can spend on the Mogstation.

For me every player should fairly level up the same way. So either everyone can choose to freely skip leveling (which will change the base concept of the game and probably render lower area even more desertic), or nobody.

The only compromise I can understand is for new or ancient returning players who directly wants to play the last released content or join high level friends. But for that, the one unique potion existing is enough.

New and ancient players are the ones who SHOULD be leveling. They should PLAY the game and do the storyline. Not boost through it.

The ones who have already compleated the story and want to play other jobs are the ones who should be allowed to boost them. They have already played the main part of the game...the story. They understand the mechanics of the game and will get a grasp of the job a lot sooner.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

That's false. You DO have the time, but you refuse to take it because you want instant gratification. You can easily chip away at another job with armory bonus, roulettes, PVP, fates, etc for just a few hours a day or even less. Might take a week or two but it'd be over before you know it.

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Ohhh ya you know what your rightttt. Let me just call my boss and tell him I cant come to work because I have to make time for this game so that way 2 months from now im not just hitting lvl 60.

Im sure he will understand....

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Originally Posted by Calva

Ohhh ya you know what your rightttt. Let me just call my boss and tell him I cant come to work because I have to make time for this game so that way 2 months from now im not just hitting lvl 60.

Im sure he will understand....

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While I know it's sarcasm:
Real life is far more important than a video game lmao.

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Originally Posted by Calva

New and ancient players are the ones who SHOULD be leveling. They should PLAY the game and do the storyline. Not boost through it.

The ones who have already compleated the story and want to play other jobs are the ones who should be allowed to boost them. They have already played the main part of the game...the story. They understand the mechanics of the game and will get a grasp of the job a lot sooner.

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The story is no way teaches you how to play your job.
Actually, your first part and second doesn't seem to make sense.
"New/Vets should be leveling."
"People who wanna play a job, should be allowed to boost."
???
Unless I'm misunderstanding this quote.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

You would not really completed anything if you just throw money at the game to do it. But that does seem to be gamers these days.

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"gamers".. ha good one ^^
I would rather say well-disciplined customers.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

The story is no way teaches you how to play your job.
Actually, your first part and second doesn't seem to make sense.
"New/Vets should be leveling."
"People who wanna play a job, should be allowed to boost."
???
Unless I'm misunderstanding this quote.

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Cause chocoly was stating that games are about the story the creaters have made for you...or the journey, or whats the point in playing the game if you skip the very reason why the game was created, I agree with this 100%. I loved the storyline in this game and it actually felt more like an interactive movie with how long some of the cut scenes were. I personally am really glad I didnt skip any of it. Which is why if your new or way behind you should actually play the game for the reason it was made.

But...for those who have already compleated the journey and played through the game they should be allowed to skip the some of the grindy part of the game.

I boosted my white mage to 60 without ever playing one. Guess what? I haven't wiped a single time in any primal or dungeon (yet) and I am done with the main story. Some people complain just to complain

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Originally Posted by Calva

This change would have no negitive effect on the game either so I dont see why not.

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Well, ya know.... if you want a game you can complete in a week, look elsewhere... There are plenty to choose from.

I'm sure alot of people who play this don't have the time to play that much, and play it casually here and there. This game has been here for years, and will probably be for years to come. You have the time to level your character, and time to "learn how to play" along the way. It doesn't have to happen in a week, in a month, or even in a year, but I'm sure even as casual here and there, you will get there.

I'm sure SE could just let you boost all your shite up there, but man, there are an awful lot of veteran players who have committed years to this game that would just walk off as soon as they did that ... I mean, I myself wouldn't want to queue up endgame content only to find it flooded with boost noobs everytime. Getting the level up is the EASY part. You're still going to have to grind it out either way it goes, because some of the gear sets that have been introduced into the game sometimes take months to get... for a single class. So, either way, you're going to have to grind it up to be competitive anyway.

Even the boost potion doesn't give you the "best" gear available for the class you decide to jump with.

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Originally Posted by Xeon

Well, ya know.... if you want a game you can complete in a week, look elsewhere... There are plenty to choose from.

I'm sure alot of people who play this don't have the time to play that much, and play it casually here and there. This game has been here for years, and will probably be for years to come. You have the time to level your character, and time to "learn how to play" along the way. It doesn't have to happen in a week, in a month, or even in a year, but I'm sure even as casual here and there, you will get there.

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Except this ia an mmo...there is a lot more to it then leveling. You dont compleat mmos...everyone knows that

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Interesting because I've leveled 5 alts and their new leafs were removed pretty early on in Heavensward. Thank you though because i was making that assumption.

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As far as I know, if you played over 168 hours on a character and meet the MSQ requirement, you won't ever get a leaf icon, no matter if you buy a pot or not. New players who buy a pot (or anyone under 168 hours and who haven't cleared the story requirement if not buying the story pot, too) will always have a leaf. Many of the sprouts you see in SB content either level very fast or bought a pot and haven't reached their 168 hours yet.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

From what I've read and seen, people do PoTD just to level their jobs to about 60 from 51-60 runs.
As someone who has done that a few times and overall stopped because the boredom, it taught me nothing as
mobs die instantly. The boss takes maybe a minute tops. I never heard anyone go out their way to do PoTD
to learn their Job...News to me.

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I used PotD pre-Stormblood to get all my skills on my skill bar so I could easily progress without remapping it every time I got a new skill. Now, I just use it when my friends are bored(they LOVE leveling in there because they hate the CHANCE of a crappy roulette party), and get Verity with a 70 class while doing so.

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Originally Posted by Calva

Ohhh ya you know what your rightttt. Let me just call my boss and tell him I cant come to work because I have to make time for this game so that way 2 months from now im not just hitting lvl 60.

Im sure he will understand....

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It doesn't take that long if you're doing your roulettes. They give good bonuses. Make use of your Challenge Log as well, as it gives good bonuses too. Use food when you get into a dungeon right before the first monster. Beast Tribes help as well. Both for EXP and ability to purchase some crafting items that people might need to buy.

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Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre

As far as I know, if you played over 168 hours on a character and meet the MSQ requirement, you won't ever get a leaf icon, no matter if you buy a pot or not. New players who buy a pot (or anyone under 168 hours and who haven't cleared the story requirement if not buying the story pot, too) will always have a leaf. Many of the sprouts you see in SB content either level very fast or bought a pot and haven't reached their 168 hours yet.

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I thought it was a much lower number of hours played(like less than 50) to lose the leaf. Could be wrong since it's been a LONG time since I've had that thing. And that it was only hours of play related to have the "newbie leaf"

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Originally Posted by Calva

Except this ia an mmo...there is a lot more to it then leveling. You dont compleat mmos...everyone knows that

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If you are skipping 80% of the games content... then what is the point?

Jump potion is for new people to have a chance to catch up to everyone else right off. The point is to get access to the new content which one potion does. It's not meant so anyone can pay their way to 60 on every job.

I want to clear Omega Savage without touching my keyboard!

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

If you are skipping 80% of the games content... then what is the point?

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Lvling alts is not anywhere close to that much...try like 2%

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Originally Posted by Calva

Well iv played a lot of mmos and I really enjoy this one.

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'I really enjoy your game, just please let me pay not to play it. It'd make the game a lot better'

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Jump potion is for new people to have a chance to catch up to everyone else right off. The point is to get access to the new content which one potion does. It's not meant so anyone can pay their way to 60 on every job.

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I seem to remember Yoshi P saying that they expect mostly veteran players to use jump potions for alts/alt jobs...clearly he must have been confused right? IF people want to boost all the jobs to 60 how exactly does that have an effect on you? If people want to pay $25 per job to 60 (which is obviously not max level anyways) who cares? It's not like someone grinding PotD from 1-60 is going to know any more about their job than someone who boosts and spends an hour on it in an actual dungeon.

Yeah who cares about EX Primals, raids, level 70 dungeons, 24-mans... it's all about that PotD/Shatter leveling experience!

I honestly feel bad for people who have every job leveled, they must have nothing to do now.

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Originally Posted by Calva

Lvling alts is not anywhere close to that much...try like 2%

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True but there other content they skipping, doubt they going to go do fates or older dungeon and only focus on end game content which is like 10% of the game cause the old end game content just becomes regular content (which they won't want to do) since it replaced by new end game content

There is always something to do once you have every job leveled. At the end of HW I was working on my 5th relic, gearing up my alts that I never bothered to really gear much, and working on crafters(I don't really consider them part of the jobs, as to me the jobs are the ones that go into battle).

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Originally Posted by Lexia

True but there other content they skipping, doubt they going to go do fates or older dungeon and only focus on end game content which is like 10% of the game cause the old end game content just becomes regular content (which they won't want to do) since it replaced by new end game content

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It's not like this is a new problem caused by jump potions.
I know a ton of people who just leveled to 60 through the MSQ who never bothered with the ARR raids or trials or just did them unsynced, if someone wants to do that older content they'll do it, if they don't they won't, jump potions aren't changing that.

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Originally Posted by TheCount

Do tell what is so compelling about mind numbingly grinding PotD for hours on end. Let them get to the proper content if they want

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Only need 1 job jump potion to get to that proper content though. Not multiple.

Levelling In this game is actually very fast. I mean so fast players don't even bother with gear cos you've out levelled in within a couple of hours of getting it.

Amazes me what people consider a long time these days. But levelling does not take a long time at all

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Only need 1 job jump potion to get to that proper content though. Not multiple.

Levelling In this game is actually very fast. I mean so fast players don't even bother with gear cos you've out levelled in within a couple of hours of getting it.

Amazes me what people consider a long time these days. But levelling does not take a long time at all

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Or your RNG just sucks so bad you're stuck with low level dungeons for most of your roulettes, or you just don't get gear for your class in chests, and are stuck with the Augmented Ironworks/Shire gear for the whole 10 levels until you can use the upgraded stuff(yes, this happens to me on the norm...I used Ironworks on my RDM until 60, then Shire to 70, where I had farmed the 300 gears with my DRG from the EX rou, and same sort of thing with my WHM/AST going from 50-60

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Maybe because its a MMO thus it also impacts the rest too? I had a handful of potion users in an instance and trials and all of them were simply bad at their job. The healer in the last story trial, that jumped, was one of the biggest reason that we did not manage to beat it. I am not even sure if that healer had swiftcast..I was rezzing as a summoner the whole time..So if people jump and take their time to learn their job before they go into group content, then it would be fine with me...but if those people jump and go into content without a plan of what to truly do..well then this will be on the back of the rest of the team.

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Yes, but you have those players regardless of jump potions or not. I cannot count the people that have absolutely no idea after 50 levels, after 60 levels, heck not even after 70 levels.
SMNs at 70 doing sub 2k DPS on AoE pulls, WHMs never using any kind of HoT, tanks spamming their aoe emnity on single targets... I treat them the same way. I don't care if anyone potioned or levelled - sit down and learn the god damn game, it's not that difficult to get a basic idea.
If you want to learn it you will, be it while levelling or at lvl 60. If you don't care, you won't learn at any point of the game.

No, let's not do that.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

I want to clear Omega Savage without touching my keyboard!

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I know right? A sense of accomplishment is overrated. I'm guessing you guys have bought or are going to buy your college degrees from wonky websites too right?

I'm a believer that a player who starts from scratch, learns the fundamentals and levels on their own is going to be a far superior player when he hits max level than a player who buys a potion that gets them 3/4 the way there, while missing a great storyline too.

Sure, you get to play with your friends, just make sure they don't mind you KO'ing their party over and over again, and expect that most endgame parties will just boot you over and over again ...

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

From what I've read and seen, people do PoTD just to level their jobs to about 60 from 51-60 runs.
As someone who has done that a few times and overall stopped because the boredom, it taught me nothing as
mobs die instantly. The boss takes maybe a minute tops. I never heard anyone go out their way to do PoTD
to learn their Job...News to me.

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The few minutes you spend on the boss incorporates the entirety of your abilities to that point, rather than the fast blade > savage blade > repeat rotation of paladin to 40 or the ... you get the point.

What little there is in PotD is infinitely more than what exists elsewhere.

Nobody goes out of their way to learn their job at any point during the leveling process, it happens naturally. It happens better when you have access to all parts of said job.

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

No my argument is that both are a journey and part of the game. It does not matter if leveling process is different than gearing process. When you start leveling more classes, both are about repeating (or "grinding") the same dungeons over and over.
In fact it's even more repeatitive for the gearing process as you will just do over and over the same few end-game instances, while leveling you can revisit about every different dungeons and areas from level 15 to 70.

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Of course it matters. At max level you are actually playing your class, in relevant content, normally with groups of people you know. While leveling, you are playing half a class, often by yourself, with the only aim being to get to the end.

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As I was saying in my previous post, FF XIV is a Story based RPG where you level up your character classes. If leveling should be irrelevant then it should be completely removed from the game and every one should have the same level (or no level at all) from the start. But for me that would a different game, not anymore a game has been designed and sold as "leveling up" game.

As for considering a hybrid version where you can optionally buy job potions from the Mogstation, while keeping the leveling process intact. I am against it as well because it directly change the experience and fairness of the game based on how much one can spend on the Mogstation.

For me every player should fairly level up the same way. So either everyone can choose to freely skip leveling (which will change the base concept of the game and probably render lower area even more desertic), or nobody.

The only compromise I can understand is for new or ancient returning players who directly wants to play the last released content or join high level friends. But for that, the one unique potion existing is enough.

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A great many people don't play MMOs for the story. If you enjoy it, more power to you; nobody is forcing you to use jump potions. For most people, the process of leveling involves literally repeating PotD 80 or 90 times.. and that's it. There is no story aspect to repeating PotD 90 times per job for every job you want to level. There is no journey; it's exactly the same experience from the first run to the last run.

How about no...encountered someone today in qarn at level 60, wouldn't even hit targets marked with a 1 despite being asked too (PS he said he paid for his job That's a thing now?)

1 is enough imo.. its insanely easy to lvl jobs to 60 compared to how it used to be all we had was fate farm or dungeon spams lol

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Originally Posted by Roegan

How do you know those people used a jump potion?

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One job at 70 and still leaf next to the name. Either that person grinded that one job to 70 in a very short amount of time or they bought it. Seeing how bad they were and how they had no real idea about the job and about quite some mechanics I tend to lean towards the second option. The same with the others.

Even if you don't have "time" to grind, you can simply just do your roulettes daily and little bit of MSQing and you will hit level rather quickly. I have done 1 single dungeon aside from daily roulettes for Monk and I'm almost Lv69 already. This took me 1.5 week to accomplish (already got Red Mage to 70 from doing MSQ).

So while it isnt the fastest way it still pretty decent. Combine that with Challange Log every week

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Sorry but jump potions are a mistake because its allowing even worse tanks, dps, and healers to jump up to where they do not know mechanics and drag down the rest of the group. Mechanics they would of learned over time leveling the class normally.

It also means that in the future classes will need to be simplified even more to take into account these people do not know how to play their classes. The same route that WoW went down.

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Yeah more bad players yay. Poor WoW.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

Well that's the joke lol.
You think people won't buy it though? o:

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Oh theyll buy it alright.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

You would not really completed anything if you just throw money at the game to do it. But that does seem to be gamers these days.

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Holy s***. You got owned in first page!

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

I want to clear Omega Savage without touching my keyboard!

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Count me in too!

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

Holy s***. You got owned in first page!

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I don't really see what you talking about but w/e and don't really care what they said anyways gotta have thick skin to hang out here.