Zenos Appreciation Thread [Massive Spoilers]

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

What the hell? Why?

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I find her personality annoying. She was in the "who am I stage" for too long. Emotional people like that annoy me to no end. Also for Zenos, he pushed us to our limits which is what we needed. I think everyone needs a person like that in their lives who will push them to their ultimate potential. You may not like the methods or the person, but the results speak for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Yeah, you dont know what you are talking about. Her voice was in no way even forced. Do you even know what a good character is?

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Yes I do and that's Zenos. Heck, even Conrad had a better VA. Her voice was forced. You're biased af and just won't accept how fake it sounds when she says "Uhh... *insert question here*". Have your own opinion if you want but don't shove it down my throat and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. The new Lyse couldn't sound a fraction of the old Yda we all liked from before even if her life depended on it, not because she isn't Yda, but because the voice acting is utter shite.

Ok so if i'm biased how about you explain how her voice is forced? I saw nothing but real emotion in her voice and an amazing character. Her fights with Fordola especially are well done and she doesn't sound forced one bit there at all. I don't understand your reasoning for why she's a bad character at all. You want to talk about crappy VA's? Look at Fordola before you call Lyse crap. Lyse's character is real. She understands who she wants to be in the end and her duty is to lead Ala Mhigo now. She's a leader and not a scion. Her voice is powerful and you're incredibly misjudging her character because you don't understand her. What's next, are you going to say Allisae is shite?

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Ok so if i'm biased how about you explain how her voice is forced? I saw nothing but real emotion in her voice and an amazing character. Her fights with Fordola especially are well done and she doesn't sound forced one bit there at all. I don't understand your reasoning for why she's a bad character at all. You want to talk about crappy VA's? Look at Fordola before you call Lyse crap. Lyse's character is real. She understands who she wants to be in the end and her duty is to lead Ala Mhigo now. She's a leader and not a scion. Her voice is powerful and you're incredibly misjudging her character because you don't understand her. What's next, are you going to say Allisae is shite?

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Allisae is an awesome character. She has so much spunk that I like it. She has no problem knowing who she is and not taking crap from people. Also, constantly making fun of her brother is funny.

Zenos is one of the few characters that made me feel inspired to get better as a character, not many characters in ffxiv could pull that emotional chord like he can. The only other character in this game that I'd go on a legitimate rampage for is Tataru Taru. If someone did anything to her, the storyline better bring out the worse in my characters just like how Zenos brought the best out of them.

Seeing him fall to the ground after losing to us and spitting up blood did something to me. I wanted that one on one battle with no gimmicks attached (And no party of adventurers helping me) where I would use my Drk's abilities to the limit to stay alive and to best that beautiful bastard. Dammit If I had to activate "Living Dead" just to stubbornly live long enough to defeat him, I would. The feels man.

Even from the imperial PoV he did a really poor job. I have no respect to people who fail their job for perosnal fantasy. He should kill WoL in Yanxia.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Yeah, you dont know what you are talking about. Her voice was in no way even forced. Do you even know what a good character is?

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I am no Zenos fan (and I find it funny that SE wanted to create a villian that nobody would like because they were surprised that people liked Gaius and yet we have this thread :'D) but I agree with Ferrasper. I disliked Lyse. Not for her voice but for her behavior. Without us or other characters stopping her she would have made things worse from the very beginning and SE just pushed her in the front all the time. (Why is she the one thats standing in the front at the end even though it was the Wol that killed the bad one thus the one that made it even possible to win?) She never really changed imo and she also never understood why people, after going through horrible times and losing lots of loved ones, do not want to fight anymore..yet she herself only started fighting because Papalymo died..and then they make her the leader and the first thing she does it wanting to look at the enemy base all alone..I liked Yda, maybe because of the dynamics with Papalymo, but Lyse just annoys me..I really hope that in the next expansion we do not have one main NPCs but a lot of varying NPCs that are all important in a way but not THAT important even though she did nothing to deserve the praise.

So Lyse rant over.

I do like Zenos way more than her. At least he accomplished what he wanted to do and he provided a powerful enemy for the WoL. (I still find it strange how we are suddenly able to beat him x) especially in his other form..He only compliments us thus I cant believe that we had other adventurers with us against him..) I wish they did more to him and made him the last true enemy of the whole expansion and not kill him off that fast. And I wished that after the first fight he would have become obsessed with us (like that other Garlear) because he knew that we could be that one foe that he needs. Yet that point only came at the last part so it feels a bit off.

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Originally Posted by Alynn

Yes I do and that's Zenos. Heck, even Conrad had a better VA. Her voice was forced. You're biased af and just won't accept how fake it sounds when she says "Uhh... *insert question here*". Have your own opinion if you want but don't shove it down my throat and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. The new Lyse couldn't sound a fraction of the old Yda we all liked from before even if her life depended on it, not because she isn't Yda, but because the voice acting is utter shite.

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I really liked her yelling at Fordola if nothing else, especially the throwback to Meffrid at Castrum Abania.

It'd be cool if some of the 60-70 job quest lines specifically mentioned us training to fight/asking for advice to defeat Zenos. RDM especially felt like it should have had a bit deeper of a stake in the events of 4.x.

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Originally Posted by ImDingDing

Even from the imperial PoV he did a really poor job. I have no respect to people who fail their job for perosnal fantasy. He should kill WoL in Yanxia.

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He should at least killed Lyse.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

It'd be cool if some of the 60-70 job quest lines specifically mentioned us training to fight/asking for advice to defeat Zenos. RDM especially felt like it should have had a bit deeper of a stake in the events of 4.x.

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Having completed SB before doing RDM quests the job NPC actually directly references you beating Zenos.

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Originally Posted by ImDingDing

Even from the imperial PoV he did a really poor job. I have no respect to people who fail their job for perosnal fantasy. He should kill WoL in Yanxia.

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I actually was kind of hoping the WoL would die in Othard, for an FF6 reference if nothing else. The Phantom Train left from the forest outside Doma Castle, and could have been an interesting trial.

Zenos was a boring anime villain to me. Everything he did was mostly from some fighting anime and he even had the confused thought he was your friend. I rather take an Eggman type villain than another Zenos anyday. Atleast Eggman is funny.

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

Zenos was a boring anime villain to me. Everything he did was mostly from some fighting anime and he even had the confused thought he was your friend. I rather take an Eggman type villain than another Zenos anyday. Atleast Eggman is funny.

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Boring anime villain? Lol if anything he was the Joker.

Also that's pretty neat about the RDM questline referencing your victory over Zenos.

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

Zenos was a boring anime villain to me. Everything he did was mostly from some fighting anime and he even had the confused thought he was your friend. I rather take an Eggman type villain than another Zenos anyday. Atleast Eggman is funny.

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confused thought?
He was right about that friendship part.

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Originally Posted by syunikiss

confused thought?
He was right about that friendship part.

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It's confused cause they aren't friends. In what way is he friendly? Did he buy you drinks? Is he protecting you from your pissed off GF? Did he order you lunch and housesit? NO! He flat out tried to kill you every chance he got. Just cause he thinks you're his "rival" doesn't make him your friend. Standard badguy anime thing 24.

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

It's confused cause they aren't friends. In what way is he friendly? Did he buy you drinks? Is he protecting you from your pissed off GF? Did he order you lunch and housesit? NO! He flat out tried to kill you every chance he got. Just cause he thinks you're his "rival" doesn't make him your friend. Standard badguy anime thing 24.

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That's the beauty of an RPG; If he says he was my friend then by the Twelve he was my friend. Just because he doesn't meet your definition of friend doesn't mean he doesn't meet my twisted definition.

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Originally Posted by Nandalowell

That's the beauty of an RPG; If he says he was my friend then by the Twelve he was my friend. Just because he doesn't meet your definition of friend doesn't mean he doesn't meet my twisted definition.

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? But the story didn't change for me and you tho. We both had our characters fight the same anime badguy who we couldn't beat because of plot until plot said it was ok to kill him. And we both had to read the same lines he spilled when we got to him at level 70. Maybe I'm just harder on my badguys as he did nothing for me but prove FFXIV villains are manga villains. :c

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

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Haha, you and I are two completely different people with two completely different outlooks; It's only natural we'd see the same thing two different ways.

While my character may have fought him because it was the right thing to do it doesn't mean she wanted him dead. Maybe she agreed with him to a point? Maybe she's tired of all this WoL stuff? Like I said, that's the beauty of an RPG, it's a role playing game, I can interpret however I want to a certain extent. In the end my characters actions may be dictated by the story written but I'm free to think and feel however I want. ^^

And maybe he was a bit cliche but I happen to like that archetype, so he was A-OK in my book.

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Originally Posted by Nandalowell

A reasonal reply. - is shocked- :O

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hah. I see your point. I'm being too disconnected and only looked at it from a writer's point of view. It's hard not too since I draw comic books, so it's hard for me to just escape into another world. So in parts like these I don't look at my character as a different being.. I looked at it from only a gameplay view.

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Originally Posted by syunikiss

He should at least killed Lyse.

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Yeah, let's just make Lyse's reveal so pointless when she is the reason Stormblood exists.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Yeah, let's just make Lyse's reveal so pointless when she is the reason Stormblood exists.

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Actually, Mr.Sloppy is the reason Stormblood exists.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

Never selected a choice so fast.

All Lyse had to do was Wind Tackle dammit! She could have made it!

https://i.imgur.com/QWQgZeE.jpg

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I thought Zenos was pretty terrible, but this reminds me this is worth pointing out. In Japanese he only says "my first and last friend." Localization team added the "enemy" part.

http://i.imgur.com/ytYHcue.jpg

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

It's confused cause they aren't friends. In what way is he friendly? Did he buy you drinks? Is he protecting you from your pissed off GF? Did he order you lunch and housesit? NO! He flat out tried to kill you every chance he got. Just cause he thinks you're his "rival" doesn't make him your friend. Standard badguy anime thing 24.

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The greatest of rivals are the best of friends, because they exist to elevate each other to new heights. All Zenos cared about was finding someone he could compete with, even if he had to raise that person himself. It is why he had so much vested interest in Fordola, and why he had so much vested interest in the WoL. It is why ultimately he saw the WoL as his friend, because after a single trouncing the WoL grew so much in a short time span. Zenos saw that this person would finally grant him what he had been desiring for so long, what he needed to feel whole.

Zenos does not give even a tenth of a fuck about Garlemald, but he does like picking up the underdogs and nurturing them to be something greater. If they have the potential.

In german he says
"Farewell...my only companion...my hunter."
http://i.imgur.com/n0b3K0m.jpg

Zenos was flipping nuts.

Y'all are flippin' nuts.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

Zenos was flipping nuts.

Y'all are flippin' nuts.

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Zenos is nuts but that doesn't mean he's a good character. People acting like he's an amazing villain in the series when Kefka exists makes me laugh.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Zenos is nuts but that doesn't mean he's a good character. People acting like he's an amazing villain in the series when Kefka exists makes me laugh.

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Kefka isn't here in FF14 now is he? For FF14, Zenos is all we have.

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Originally Posted by Kinkoz

You all told Zenos that you'd accept him as a friend, right?

Right?

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What? Why would I? This world ain't big enough for two blood knights.

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

Kefka isn't here in FF14 now is he? For FF14, Zenos is all we have.

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I hope the next villain will be as interesting as Kefka and won't be killed off early.

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Originally Posted by syunikiss

I hope the next villain will be as interesting as Kefka and won't be killed off early.

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Finally a reason to go bust Garlemalds chops after they inherently destroy half their country and some of ours, lose hope to their evil ironfisted ruler, and beg us to help

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Originally Posted by syunikiss

I hope the next villain will be as interesting as Kefka and won't be killed off early.

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Speaking of which, I feel like the entire MSQ was done rather quickly. It took a while for the main story of HW to end...
But the whole point of SB was to take back Ala Mhigo...Seemed fast to me. Maybe something will happen next though...

EDIT: Also, we took TWO places back, all in one patch. That's extremely quick. I felt like a few patches should of been
about Doma, and the the rest is Ala Mhigo, or near the end. I'm sad it ended already. :/
Like, after we helped Doma and all, we could all force up together and stop Zenos/Garleans at the end with Doma and the Xaela
in one big final battle, also giving Fordola and Zenos more character progression and stuff.
I can't feel for any of these characters when they're scrapped off in 1 patch.
Again, something may happen later on, but this is how I feel as of now.
The MSQ was amazing either way.

Finally a bad guy that was evil for the sake of being evil. Yutsuyu lost all of my interest when she started her sob story and all I thought was "Hien, kill her now before she bores me to death."

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Finally a bad guy that was evil for the sake of being evil. Yutsuyu lost all of my interest when she started her sob story and all I thought was "Hien, kill her now before she bores me to death."

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Yotsuyu's insanely twisted regardless of her backstory. She wants to torture every Doman to death for the rush it gives her.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Finally a bad guy that was evil for the sake of being evil. Yutsuyu lost all of my interest when she started her sob story and all I thought was "Hien, kill her now before she bores me to death."

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I know, right? Yotsuyu had such an amazing introduction only to later be pictured as a poor victim of society, and I had such high hopes on her...
And I never had high hopes for Fordola but even so she managed to disapoint me with that "I wanted to save everyone" crap, man... wtf was that?

I pressed the button "I wanna join your hunt" very hard and I don't regret it till today. Sadly it was just a mock answer.

Traveling with Zenos would be so much >>> that Kindergarten-Club around Alphinaud and his scions.


Problem is: Japanese just can't do storytelling.

GIVE ME SOMETHING TO REMEMBER.

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Originally Posted by Talec

I pressed the button "I wanna join your hunt" very hard and I don't regret it till today. Sadly it was just a mock answer.

Traveling with Zenos would be so much >>> that Kindergarten-Club around Alphinaud and his scions.


Problem is: Japanese just can't do storytelling.

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This might be one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

I'm amazed to see people like Zenos. I mean he had a cool design but not much else of him was great. Lyse is the best character in this expansion by a long mile. Her voice actress knocked it out of the park.

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Even Tough it was considered Lyse's Expansion, she was nothing more than a damsel in distress the whole fuckin time. She was really incredible annoying! The only character I hated more than Lyse was Fordola, which again wasn't solely not killed because Lyse is such a whimpy damsel.
Oh god, I swear if Fordola gets an redemption arc you all gonna hear from me again. I will rant this Forum!

Oh damn Zenos! Why didn't you take me with you?!?!?!


tl;dr: So far this game is running for three years now? And the only good characters the game has created is Estenien, Gosetsu and Zenos. At least likeable characters include Hien, Aymeric, Minfilia and Thancred. The rest? Utterly rubbish, second to none stands the WoL.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

This might be one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum.

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Read on, my friend. You must be new to the Forum.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Finally a bad guy that was evil for the sake of being evil. Yutsuyu lost all of my interest when she started her sob story and all I thought was "Hien, kill her now before she bores me to death."

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You lack any form of compassion or empathy don't you?