PS4 Pro users: do you feel lied to?

Honestly just having a better resolution hooking it up to my 4K tv has more than please me. It's open the screen up quite a bit

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

PC elitist comments aren't going to contribute to this conversation. There's no need for snarky "tablet processor" comments. Your mentioning that you are having some troubles even on a high-end computer, however, is relevant.

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But hes right. No way Pro can do 60 fps with overcrowded crazyness. Even xbox one x couldnt pull it off.

Sorry for the slight change in topic, but my OG PS4 is on the way out (bad antenna, sounds like an aeroplane) and I'm trying to decide between the cheap option - a replacement PS4 Slim - or a PS4 Pro. I have a 4k TV. My current PS4 has a HDD but I'll be installing an SSD into whichever model I buy because I'm sick of taking 5x longer to load between zones than everyone else I know.

However, the Pro is more than twice the price of the Slim for me from the two packages I'm considering, so it's a considerable increase in cost (I don't need advice on packages, due to circumstances I have to buy very specifically). Joke answers about getting a PC will be ignored; I'm not going to :P

Now that you have all settled in with the Pro patch, would you say it's worth the extra cost over the Slim? My server is tiny - never more than 15 people in Kugane - and I never have noticeable congestion anywhere ever other than in 72-man FL, but 4k screenshots (we get those, right?) and the slightly faster load times are tempting me strongly. On the flip side, even the Slim with an SSD would be a nice upgrade for me, so if the Pro patch isn't completely amazing maybe I should save now and wait for a future model?

Are you happy with FFXIV on the Pro?

PS4 Pro is a great console in general, much better than the standard and the slim model. It has better cooling and is much faster. So, if you're investing into a console for more than just FFXIV, I'd say it's worth it.

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Originally Posted by Aronys

PS4 Pro is a great console in general, much better than the standard and the slim model. It has better cooling and is much faster. So, if you're investing into a console for more than just FFXIV, I'd say it's worth it.

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Don't you need a 4K TV to make the pro worth it though? Cause my TV is a 1080 and I don't think that it will make anything look different.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

Sorry for the slight change in topic, but my OG PS4 is on the way out... Are you happy with FFXIV on the Pro?

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If your PS4 is 'on the way out' but still working, take it over to GameStop and trade it in for extra store credit towards the price of a PS4 Pro. They will refurbish it and you'll get like $150-175 towards the cost of a Pro, which means you'll only wind up dropping around $200-225 instead of $400-425.

The upgrade is DEFINITELY worth it if you own a 4K TV! You'll have to play around with the resolution options to get your Pro to recognize that it is ok to run at 4K resolution, so don't forget to do that, otherwise you will think it isn't any different.

I also installed a 500GB SSD and you're correct on the teleport/loading times... I make it to nearly every hunt mob I attempt to go to and the performance on loading times is extremely noticeable for me.

Enjoy it once you get it all setup, I know I have!

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Originally Posted by Lustaria

Don't you need a 4K TV to make the pro worth it though? Cause my TV is a 1080 and I don't think that it will make anything look different.

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It still upscales the 1080p to its smoothest possible resolution and you will get faster loading on things that can sometimes take a moment to pop onto your screen such as other characters and mobs, npcs, etc. Still worth it in my opinion until you can for instance, save up for a 4K TV cheap on Black Friday or something.

Thanks everyone, really leaning towards the Pro now. Just need to shuffle my budget a bit :)

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Originally Posted by Thandronen

If your PS4 is 'on the way out' but still working, take it over to GameStop and trade it in for extra store credit towards the price of a PS4 Pro. They will refurbish it and you'll get like $150-175 towards the cost of a Pro, which means you'll only wind up dropping around $200-225 instead of $400-425.

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Sadly I'm not in the US and have limited recycling options here for an imported PS4, but I'm sure my OG PS4 will make a fine extra BD player for many years to come!

Should a gtx1080ti be able to pull 60fps max settings at 4k in FFXIV? Honestly wondering. I have one, and am not getting that in crowded areas. but my CPU is older. Just wondering what my expectations should be.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

My server is tiny - never more than 15 people in Kugane

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Hijacking the thread somewhat (because who needs private messaging in a forum?!), how do you like Yojimbo? I was thinking of transferring over and it would be good to know what it is like in advance. Are there enough people to do the big FATEs with despite it being a small server? Hoping to majorly decrease my ping, hence the transfer, but I'm used to big server life :p

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

Today I learned Live Letters are not to be taken as reality.

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I have not much to contribute as I'm a PC player, but I'ma just here to say:
They say a lot of things.
That's about it lol.

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Originally Posted by Hirskuwil

Hijacking the thread somewhat (because who needs private messaging in a forum?!), how do you like Yojimbo? I was thinking of transferring over and it would be good to know what it is like in advance. Are there enough people to do the big FATEs with despite it being a small server? Hoping to majorly decrease my ping, hence the transfer, but I'm used to big server life :p

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I love Yojimbo and would never leave, but it's definitely a huge change from a big server - I was briefly on Masamune first and that was very busy so there's a noticeable difference. Current content (e.g. Ixion right now) is fine and you'll easily fill parties, but if you play at non-peak times you might struggle with open world content. I only cleared Coeurlregina for the first time this week after a lot of attempts previously because my groups always ended up too small to get her down in the time limit and Odin has had the same issue more than once. A and S rank hunts are very popular during peak times but often surprisingly challenging outside of those windows when you just have a handful of people scrabbling to get a decent spread of jobs for the party. And PVP queues are very long across the whole Gaia group as soon as you hit late night. If you keep normal waking hours you'll be ok.

In terms of server culture, it's quite laid back overall but we have had a minor influx of returnees and new players lately (due to the incentives no doubt) and non-Japanese speakers have become more common all of a sudden. I witnessed someone complaining in the novice network the other day when a new player asked a question in Japanese because they couldn't read it and apparently thought the world revolved around them! Most of the veteran non-speakers keep to their own communities and are polite, though, so there isn't any awkward friction between play styles like there often was in FFXI.

Overall I love the place, and it's funny when you're in a DF group and people ask for your server. "Yojimbo?! Was there a server with that name? I've never heard of it!" is the usual reaction. If you want a bit more activity then in honesty a slightly bigger server is probably more exciting, but if you end up on Gaia one day I hope it will treat you well (I will forever remember you as the Tonberry omrice guy, though). And you'll never, ever have a problem finding a house. We can't even give them away.

Might be worth making some alts to test out some of the Japanese servers? You can usually get a feel for the place very quickly, even as a newbie.

A PS4 Pro you need a 4K for the full effect 4K and all that, but non 4K TV you should still see visual improvements in some games as Sony had made an update patches ago (HDR)

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

We were told in the Live Letter that, with the release of SB, we would receive a Pro Patch that would let us achieve stable 60fps even in areas "with a lot of people". If you've played today on the new standard "increased FPS" mode, you'll see that nothing has changed. What are your thoughts on this?

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You sir... are deluded. Even with a GTX1080 you can't maintain 60fps during high traffic. Go to rhalgars reach and see what difference it is to standing in a less busy zone. You think I bought my computer and complained when I saw 59fps surrounded by hundreds of people?

Bumping this because it was unacceptable then and is unacceptable now.

Nope, it's still perfectly fine. If you play on a potatoe expect potatoe performance

Shame on SE for not addressing this in the Live Letter. What went wrong with the patch? Where is what we were promised? I intend to work toward an answer.

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Originally Posted by Enyalios

Nope, it's still perfectly fine. If you play on a potatoe expect potatoe performance

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PC gamers trying too hard, as usual.

Not trying hard, stating facts. You're expecting PC performance from a PS4. youre never gonna get that, accept it. Move on

Oh and a fun thing for you, my computer doesn't need to try hard either. Cool calm 120+ fps in most content, lovely :)

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Originally Posted by Enyalios

Oh and a fun thing for you, my computer doesn't need to try hard either. Cool calm 120+ fps in most content, lovely :)

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I'm happy for you.

Anyway, this will continue until I receive an SE response. I and many others were lied to, and some of us made purchases based on an unfulfilled promise. This is not good for consumers.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

I'm happy for you.

Anyway, this will continue until I receive an SE response. I and many others were lied to, and some of us made purchases based on an unfulfilled promise. This is not good for consumers.

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Still waiting for that quote that says always 60 fps no matter how many people and effects are on screen. Until then, it was just 60 fps with many people and effects on screen, not the same.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Still waiting for that quote that says always 60 fps no matter how many people and effects are on screen. Until then, it was just 60 fps with many people and effects on screen, not the same.

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There are no improvements anywhere. Game runs just the same as before.

I'm glad you're keeping this thread going, gives me something to read when I'm bored. Nothing better than seeing people moan about things that are working as intended

Again like everyone has said in this thread, if you PC performance buy a PC. If not settle for a PlayStation

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

There are no improvements anywhere. Game runs just the same as before.

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Yes it does run better than before. DO not expect the same performance in massive overcrowded areas. Go play this on a OG Ps4 and you will see the difference in crowded areas.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

I'm happy for you.

Anyway, this will continue until I receive an SE response. I and many others were lied to, and some of us made purchases based on an unfulfilled promise. This is not good for consumers.

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"Many others" is wholly inaccurate. After reading through every post on this thread, maybe two additional people agreed while just as many said their experience was positive. If there was actually a problem, I'd imagine this thread would be multitudes longer. I'm not trying to start a fight here but maybe the more measured folks here saying you are expecting something that was never "promised" nor possible are correct. It's your time, though.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

Bumping this because it was unacceptable then and is unacceptable now.

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I think the only one who feel lied are you

I don't know what you people are expecting. It's not like SE can reach into your PS4 and give it better hardware.

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Originally Posted by tetsuo666

Yeah because your CPU does all the work in those situations a high end GPU doesn't really help at all, i thought people would get this by now MMOs are heavily (single threaded) CPU bound and that's also why they can't do much to improve this any further on the PS4 Pro it uses the same weak AMD Jaguar CPU as the og PS4 just a bit higher clocked.

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I've got an i7-7820 personally and it still has "moments" dipping below 60fps lol. But regardless what I have the PS4 can't keep up lol. So I thank you for solidifying everyone's point to the OP (no sarcasm)

I miss the old gaming days where people play the game because it is fun. Most of the games suck now because companies focus too much on graphics than game-play it self (ehem 1.0).

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Originally Posted by Schark

"Many others" is wholly inaccurate. After reading through every post on this thread, maybe two additional people agreed while just as many said their experience was positive. If there was actually a problem, I'd imagine this thread would be multitudes longer. I'm not trying to start a fight here but maybe the more measured folks here saying you are expecting something that was never "promised" nor possible are correct. It's your time, though.

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Your mistake is assuming that only people on here count. Plenty of folks on Reddit and other gaming sites have noticed this as well.

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Originally Posted by tetsuo666

Yeah because your CPU does all the work in those situations a high end GPU doesn't really help at all, i thought people would get this by now MMOs are heavily (single threaded) CPU bound and that's also why they can't do much to improve this any further on the PS4 Pro it uses the same weak AMD Jaguar CPU as the og PS4 just a bit higher clocked.

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exactly...I don't know why people think a $500 console should run this game as well as a $1000+ PC - if you want high graphic settings and smooth FPS no matter the conditions you need to get your bum off the couch and play on a decent PC.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

exactly...I don't know why people think a $500 console should run this game as well as a $1000+ PC - if you want high graphic settings and smooth FPS no matter the conditions you need to get your bum off the couch and play on a decent PC.

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Or SE could not make promises they cannot fulfill. The PS4 Pro isn't some cheap ass piece of hardware. It CAN do things, but only if developers put some effort into it.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

Or SE could not make promises they cannot fulfill. The PS4 Pro isn't some cheap ass piece of hardware. It CAN do things, but only if developers put some effort into it.

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It costs less than most medium- high end graphics cards alone. They also didn't promise what you say they promised.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It costs less than most medium- high end graphics cards alone. They also didn't promise what you say they promised.

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Literally did in a Live Letter. Next.

The PS4 pro IS a cheap piece of hardware, That's the point behind consoles. And as has been stated, SE didn't promise anything

I do not own a PS4 Pro, but after slogging through 12 pages of this thread; I can sort-of relate. But if people with 1000$+ can't clock in 60 FPS in crowded zones, how can you expect an (I'm not a PC elitist ) admittedly inferior machine to compare? It cannot be helped. I am sorry you were lied to. :(

Reading some of these comments affirms my belief mmo's should never be released on consoles.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

Your mistake is assuming that only people on here count. Plenty of folks on Reddit and other gaming sites have noticed this as well.

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After a quick perusal of Reddit, it seems to mirror the sentiments of the majority of this thread. Expected performance does not equal promised and most are happy with what they got. No matter how hard you argue it, your perception has been unrealistic from the outset and you will only continue to be disappointed until you temper your expectations.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

Literally did in a Live Letter. Next.

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I'm starting to think that you literally do not know what literally means.

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Originally Posted by Darren777

Reading some of these comments affirms my belief mmo's should never be released on consoles.

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They just hold the game back - too bad they can't drop support for PS4 entirely. Maybe at the end of SB for the next expansion they can give out free PC copies for transitioning potato console owners like they did for PS3>PS4.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

They just hold the game back - too bad they can't drop support for PS4 entirely. Maybe at the end of SB for the next expansion they can give out free PC copies for transitioning potato console owners like they did for PS3>PS4.

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Are they going to give us free PCs then too? It's already confirmed that it's PCs holding the game back, namely the 32-bit toasters half the fanbase in Japan still uses. Please don't be jerks to other people and criticise their ability to play the game. We already missed out on the whole of 1.x and had to migrate hardware (in many cases) once.

I'm not saying that my PS4 runs the game better than PC (heck, my OG PS4 runs a heck of a lot worse than my buddies right now, since I don't have a SSD!)

But I still don't want to go PC.