4 months of moogle killing!

i cant be right about everything i guess :/

/comfort .

Do you guys seriously believe that the dev team cares about version 1.0? The servers are still going as long as you the player pays for it. If no one pays, then the servers go down until 2.0. 2.0 is coming whether you like it or not because Wada has to save face and save the numbered-FF franchise. And 2.0 might be more WoW-like than some are hoping for so if you are upset over 1.0, I wouldn't write off FFXIV until we know more about 2.0.

game wont be done till 2.0 duhhhh.
so were gonna have limited stuff to do.

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they wont go down, you just wont be playing till you pay.

I understand the need to get to the more anticipated content with 1.21. Jobs and 2 new instanced dungeons sounds great on it's own. The last letter said that the 10 day delay is not suppose to affect 1.21. Alright, we'll take that being that there is not much else to go on.

You'll only be charged a month before you get that new content really. A month premature? It's quite possible that is true. Honestly, that one month really just comes down to your faith in the game's future.

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game wont be done till 2.0 duhhhh.
so were gonna have limited stuff to do.


they wont go down, you just wont be playing till you pay.

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game wont be done with 2.0....
you people seriously have no idea what mmos are i swear

The reason the game went free is because everyone left right? Has anyone seen a stable population or even increase in population at all to justify charging for the game? I dont see anyone saying wow look at this, everyone get back in this game it's amazing. most of the current population is just coming back to see if this patch is worth it becuase they are tired of killnig ifrit over and over, tired of getting slightly better gear from coffers after farming for days on end. I mean come on tell me im wrong here. If this keeps up everyone is gonna have 50 dow dom and the game will become a crafting mmo?

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You are the best, man.

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According to the Letter from the Producer LIVE video Part II level cap MAY be raised come 1.21, so in addition to new instanced raids, and new classes, we may have to level before farming new raids.

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I believe it was more like "We aren't even ready to think about raising the level cap until 1.21 is released." This means no plans are even close to fruition about raising the level cap.

Earliest I'd even think it would happen are 1.24 or 1.25... though raising level cap might go well with the full release of V2.0 and all the content its supposed to have.

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The skyrimjob jokes need to END

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Aww, but it's fun. whats wrong someone steal your sweet roll?

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Aww, but it's fun. whats wrong someone steal your sweet roll?

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well first off there is not "several" dungeons (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/several). 2nd i said that "quest chains" are pretty much non-existant...which is true.

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Actually assuming your not only counting instanced dungeons as dungeons there are actually 6. Shomegoe or whatever it's called outside of LL was labeled as a low level dungeon. If that is a dungeon then surely the other beastmen strongholds are also dungeons. I duno about the low level one since it's a bit different but the strongholds are very much dungeon like where you can run through them killing hordes of mobs(Have to kill specific mobs to reach next area), then reach a final boss, and along the way are several treasure chests to get.

They aren't necessarily heavily story driven but if your after some sort of progressive content where you have to do a then you can do b and finally c that actually already exists in Faction leves.

*Not directed at the quoted person*
Regardless of if any one person finds something fun it is still content. Going by pads there's approximatly 131 quests to complete, 42 faction leves, 40 NM's, and 29 company quests(though I actually have 31 completed), 87 camps/sites to visit. All of that is cold hard content just because someone doesn't like it or it's not EG doesn't mean it's not content. If a new player were to start today and try and complete all that the game had to offer (everything I listed before) it would take them some time before they would be able to complete it all. (I didn't include leveling every class but that in itself is a form of content too). If someone says there's nothing to do and they haven't at least 100%'d one of the things above I don't believe them. After that I just assume there after very specific content and will have to wait for it. That's your only choice bitching that we only have Moogle for 2 months isn't going to change anything they already laid out a very specific roadmap that they plan to follow.

Also incase anyone was curious here's the number of days between the last several patches assuming they keep up the same trend it will be no more than 2 and a half months.
1.16 mar 3
44 days
1.17 apr 14
98 days -> delayed from earthquake etc...
1.18 july 21
75 days
1.19 oct. 4
75 days
1.20 hopefully before dec. 18?

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As usual another poster who doesnt have the info


the next version patch is early febuary, so thats 2 months, not 4

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And assuming it will most likely be around March. (I bet my 1 gil for end of March)

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And assuming it will most likely be around March. (I bet my 1 gil for end of March)

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nah i just cant see why theyd push it off by over 6 weeks like your saying, that just wouldnt make sense unless there was another major disaster(which is the only reason weve had a large extension before)

Interesting how the OP pretty much labels anyone who disagrees with his misinformed OP as a "white knight" (via quotes from others who have posted in this thread), as if that negates their argument.

The Community Team should post a sticky that says "anyone that complains about the content of an upcoming patch is a whiny man-baby candy ass who needs to get out more". Oh wait, that would be over generalizing, and childish.

Using ad hominem attacks does not make you right, no matter how much you try to spin your argument. It just makes you look like a child who cannot have a civil debate.



On to my response. OP, we have two months in between each patch. The last two patches were major content patches, and this is the first one in a while that has been more focused on revamp and re-balancing over content. It's funny how that's grounds for so many threads that cry "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING, ONLY ONE PRIMAL FIGHT???". The devs have to lay the groundwork for how this game is going to function before they can implement content that uses that functionality. I'm sure that this patch would have happened closer to 1.18, had it not been for the fact that everyone was whining for more content back then, too.

The only part of your argument that I agree with is the fact that it is a little odd to start billing in the middle of a revamp heavy patch (1.20) rather than a content heavy patch like 1.21. However the way I see it, you're getting a free month with 1.20. If you've done all the content leading up to that, and the only thing you have left is the moogle fight, then you can choose to hold off on paying for a month. You'd save the money that you seem to covet based on principal, and you could pay for the game when the content heavy patch comes around a month later.

Well the moogle battle is one thing, but the achievements is also another thing that can keep you busy until we get more content.. Or so I'm hoping.

Throw in learning which traits and skills are better for your play style and you have 1.5 month of "Fun, fun, fun!", we'll just have to push through the rest and wait for the jobs.

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well first off there is not "several" dungeons (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/several). 2nd i said that "quest chains" are pretty much non-existant...which is true. 3rd...well i dont even have to comment on the map bit, someone already said it...and there was like a 200 page thread of people who wanted it changed...and so did the devs lol.

::sniff:: ::sniff:: do i smell a super-fanboy?

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2. Single; distinct: "Pshaw! said I, with an air of carelessness, three several times" (Laurence Sterne).
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4. Law Relating separately to each party of a bond or note.

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Now let me just redirect you to: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/zonelist.html?type=Dungeon

There are FOUR, count em, FOUR dungeons according to Zam if you remove the Wards. And Zam doesnt even mention Mun Tuy Cellars, which makes a total of FIVE:

http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/15988-ffxiv-dungeons/

On top of all of that there is DARKHOLD, which makes ummmmmm SIX??? AMIRITE GAIZ? THE MATH IS GETTIN KINDA HARD! Not to mention THREE Beastmen Strongholds which, albeit are not INSTANCED, are just about as good as a dungeon -if not better- in my books.

::sniff:: ::sniff:: do i smell your brain in the microwave? OH WAIT, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.

I said it before, and i'll say it again, go bck to WoW if that isn't enough FREE content for you.

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Actually assuming your not only counting instanced dungeons as dungeons there are actually 6. Shomegoe or whatever it's called outside of LL was labeled as a low level dungeon. If that is a dungeon then surely the other beastmen strongholds are also dungeons. I duno about the low level one since it's a bit different but the strongholds are very much dungeon like where you can run through them killing hordes of mobs(Have to kill specific mobs to reach next area), then reach a final boss, and along the way are several treasure chests to get.

They aren't necessarily heavily story driven but if your after some sort of progressive content where you have to do a then you can do b and finally c that actually already exists in Faction leves.

*Not directed at the quoted person*
Regardless of if any one person finds something fun it is still content. Going by pads there's approximatly 131 quests to complete, 42 faction leves, 40 NM's, and 29 company quests(though I actually have 31 completed), 87 camps/sites to visit. All of that is cold hard content just because someone doesn't like it or it's not EG doesn't mean it's not content. If a new player were to start today and try and complete all that the game had to offer (everything I listed before) it would take them some time before they would be able to complete it all. (I didn't include leveling every class but that in itself is a form of content too). If someone says there's nothing to do and they haven't at least 100%'d one of the things above I don't believe them. After that I just assume there after very specific content and will have to wait for it. That's your only choice bitching that we only have Moogle for 2 months isn't going to change anything they already laid out a very specific roadmap that they plan to follow.

Also incase anyone was curious here's the number of days between the last several patches assuming they keep up the same trend it will be no more than 2 and a half months.
1.16 mar 3
44 days
1.17 apr 14
98 days -> delayed from earthquake etc...
1.18 july 21
75 days
1.19 oct. 4
75 days
1.20 hopefully before dec. 18?

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Take notes Zanfire, this guy used his BRAIN.

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First things first, none of these other games are going through a fundemental change like XIV is.

None of the other games that are "great" were released with the craptastic game we've been through.

And they are also creating some content that will eventually get erased come 2.0. I mean what else do you want? They are creating content for before and after 2.0. Go play one of those games, don't get your panties in a bunch because they aren't satisfying every little thing you want in this game.



Ahhh how could I forget that? I love that big crown ^.^

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lol get my panties in a bunch?
i dont even game that often in general, none the less play this game very often.
i dont like WoW or Rift. neither suit my taste. in fact i dont think there ever will be an MMO that can suite my taste so i dont really worry about it.
im perfectly fine logging in when i get a random hair up my ass for a good five minutes. im interested in the games future so i voice my opinion and personal experience and knowledge.

again, i dont really care what happens to this game and if anything would like WoW and Rift to shut down for being so football jock oriented. a panda race? are you fucken kidding me?
when im not playing a video game im hanging out with my friends, practicing my DJing, shopping because i like looking damned good and reading.
the closest i have to care about the this game is the mage direction because i personally enjoyed having a huge arsenal of useless spells to play with when im soloing and having the low spell list reminds me of the few spells every other western MMO gives you.
plus, just like so many other people say things like "deal with it" and "haters gonna hate" well guess what, im gonna be sticking around these boards if and when i damned well please and will be posting when i so please, so......
lol anyway back to reading.

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lim interested in the games future so i voice my opinion and personal experience and knowledge.
(...)
again, i dont really care what happens to this game

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Way to contradict yourself, bro.

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Take notes Zanfire, this guy used his BRAIN.

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like he said, if your also counting non instanced ones, which i was not. So i did use my brain, we have 2 so far.

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Way to contradict yourself, bro.

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its not a contradiction lol i am interested in the games future because of the plans presented, however, if it by chance blows up or i decide i end up hating it then oh well, ill just migrate to another MMO. explain that as a contradiction.

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its not a contradiction lol i am interested in the games future because of the plans presented, however, if it by chance blows up or i decide i end up hating it then oh well, ill just migrate to another MMO. explain that as a contradiction.

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Another words you can careless of its future :/

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Another words you can careless of its future :/

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perhaps i worded myself incorrectly?
i dont care about the games future, i dont care if it blows to smithereens even if i enjoyed it. i only care about experiencing the bits of content that appeal to me during the games future progression.
even if i the bits i like dont come to fruition, then oh well, ill migrate to another MMO
its not really a contradiction because i dont care about the games ultimate success or demise, i only have interest in experiencing a few aspects such as 1.21. even then taking time out to experience 1.21 is like #5 on my list of things to do in that month.
again i dont see any contradictions. yay if the game succeeds? yay if it doesnt! if i get around to experiencing it, then more yay, if not? then yay anyway!

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perhaps i worded myself incorrectly?
i dont care about the games future, i dont care if it blows to smithereens even if i enjoyed it. i only care about experiencing the bits of content that appeal to me during the games future progression.
even if i the bits i like dont come to fruition, then oh well, ill migrate to another MMO
its not really a contradiction because i dont care about the games ultimate success or demise.

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Your honestly making "zero" sense right now.. but okay, Leave it at that

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omg there are two subjects here.
the games ultimate success and certain aspects of the game i like. i dont care if the game succeeds yet i have a slight bit of care if i get to experience a few aspects of the game. not the games success, just certain things about the game that i like how hard is that to get?

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omg there are two subjects here.
the games ultimate success and certain aspects of the game i like. i dont care if the game succeeds yet i have a slight bit of care if i get to experience a few aspects of the game. not the games success, just certain things about the game that i like how hard is that to get?

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You "ONLY" care if the game Succeeds otherwise its crap to you.. that's the only thing i'm getting out of this at all and the "Overall picture of your plight". If your not hear for the games success then why exactly are you on the Forums? Forums=feedback Feedback=caring for the games succession, If your not here for the game's Succession.. what exactly brings you to the forums again?

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You "ONLY" care if the game Succeeds otherwise its crap to you.. that's the only thing i'm getting out of this at all and the "Overall picture of your plight". If your not hear for the games success then why exactly are you on the Forums? Forums=feedback Feedback=caring for the games succession, If your not here for the game's Succession.. what exactly brings you to the forums again?

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at what point in time did i say i only care if the games succeeds at all?
i keep saying i dont care if it succeeds or fails. its succession or failure isnt important to me.
i keep saying there are certain things i like about some of what will be implemented in the future, such as jobs and like i want to see that big formation that is supposed to happen some time over the summer. however, if i dont get to experience these things for some reason then im not really worried about it.
so there is your failure in reading what ive posted several times now. ive said over and over i dont care for its' success or failure yet you just said that i said i only care if it succeeds or its crap to me.

why do i voice myself on the forums? ONCE AGAIN, because i like certain aspects of the game and care to see certain ASPECTS... NOT THE SUCCESS ( a totally different subject)- THE ASPECTS OF WHICH I ENJOY stay or change.
i enjoy mage classes so i will voice myself on how i feel mages should be. if they dont come out my way then oh well. again i dont see the difficulty in this.

ive explained myself in depth at this point so i am left to conclude that your character is less attractive than mine and that your comprehension skills are also less than mine. have a night sir. or wait, you probably don't get that either.

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As long you keep say that line with in all your posts.. Your going to be led to believed that you don't want the game to be great. That's all i'm going to say.

If you consider this game the way it is fine, go right ahead. You are clearly ignoring the population go down. The population going down is what most people would consider a fact.

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As long you keep say that line with in all your posts.. Your going to be led to believed that you don't want the game to be great. That's all i'm going to say.

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by saying i dont care for either its succession or its failure is the same as saying i dont want it to be great?
no, in fact it is saying i dont care if its great or bad because a games perceived greatness and badness are completely irrelevant to me.
i play games for certain aspects of content, that and that alone. guess what! i think skyrims battle system is on the same level of clunky as FFXI. neithers' battle system is any more enjoyable in my terms, yet i still play both for different reasons and i dont consider either to be neither great or bad.
you've literally just proven your comprehension skills are not up to par with mine, which is funny because im no savant.
im done with you.

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>.> i dont care if its believed to be great or not. i personally dont believe it is either great or bad. its very neutral at the moment to me.
"going to be led to believed" does not make any grammatical sense on top of me saying over and over i dont care if its going to be great or not since that is not why i play any game. so whats your point?
ugh never mind, dont answer, lol i just. dont. care.

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i said it how many times? omg your unbelievable!!!

you should read my repost, itd blow your mind!!

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i said it how many times? omg your unbelievable!!!

you should read my repost, itd blow your mind!!

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It already did several times.. and I still don't get why your here.. but it is what it is right?

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like he said, if your also counting non instanced ones, which i was not. So i did use my brain, we have 2 so far.

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You didnt read my post before the "take notes" did you? The one where i link you to two websites that show a total of 4 and 5 instanced raids OTHER THAN Nat, Zaharak, and Ugha. So let me spell them out for you for THE LAST FREAKING TIME:

1. Casseopia Hollows
2. Nanawa Mines
3. Mun Tuy Cellars
4. Tam Tara Deepcroft
5. Copperbell Mines
6. Shpoeshae
7. Dzemael Darkhold

DO I NEED TO DO THIS AGAIN???

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Seth, i do agree that it would be nice if there was a seady increase in population across the board. On the other hand, if the Human Population on Planet Earth were deceasing, i would consider that a success as opposed to the opposite.

Anyway, Here's to Patch 1.20~~ Have fun!

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You didnt read my post before the "take notes" did you? The one where i link you to two websites that show a total of 4 and 5 instanced raids OTHER THAN Nat, Zaharak, and Ugha. So let me spell them out for you for THE LAST FREAKING TIME:

1. Casseopia Hollows
2. Nanawa Mines
3. Mun Tuy Cellars
4. Tam Tara Deepcroft
5. Copperbell Mines
6. Shpoeshae
7. Dzemael Darkhold

DO I NEED TO DO THIS AGAIN???



Seth, i do agree that it would be nice if there was a seady increase in population across the board. On the other hand, if the Human Population on Planet Earth were deceasing, i would consider that a success as opposed to the opposite.

Anyway, Here's to Patch 1.20~~ Have fun!

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clearly you did not read, i said i was NOT counting the non-instanced ones, so we still have TWO only. One for level 25+ and the level 45+ one....thats it.

and why the hell does zam have the market wards listed as a dungeon....and twice?

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clearly you did not read, i said i was NOT counting the non-instanced ones, so we still have TWO only. One for level 25+ and the level 45+ one....thats it.

and why the hell does zam have the market wards listed as a dungeon....and twice?

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A Dungeon is a Dungeon, no matter how you put it Instance.. Non instance.. its all the same really... except one is with you and your party.. and the other is anyone can enter at any given time... They are practically two sides of the same sword.. There 7 Dungeons and 3 "raid like non instanced" areas.

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A Dungeon is a Dungeon, no matter how you put it Instance.. Non instance.. its all the same really... except one is with you and your party.. and the other is anyone can enter at any given time... They are practically two sides of the same sword.. There 7 Dungeons and 3 "raid like non instanced" areas.

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either way, the amount of content for a game, over a year in the works has this little content, is just not going to draw anyone to it. The game doesnt have a big following when its free, its going to be quite tiny after they start charging.

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either way, the amount of content for a game, over a year in the works has this little content, is just not going to draw anyone to it. The game doesnt have a big following when its free, its going to be quite tiny after they start charging.

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Time will surely tell.. its not a known fact till proven.. people can say they are going to leave, but is the proof? Not really.. people say things all the time.. 80% of the time they never follow through. So we shall see if their word is true.

FFXIV is being overhauled. If it was in XI's position, i.e not going through an overhaul; We'd be getting our first expansion pack by now.

If they focused on content, there would be more content, but they're focusing on fixing the game and lack of content isn't what's exactly wrong with the game as a whole, many more problems exist beyond not having 9020 hours of content to do.