Chinese server is putting Legacy Chocobo on cash shop

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Lore-wise it's the chocobo that you had in the 1.x game. Other than that I think the barding it's wearing is unique.

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Yep, unique barding and the feather tips are tinged black.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Lore-wise it's the chocobo that you had in the 1.x game. Other than that I think the barding it's wearing is unique.

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To add it also has the legacy tattoo on its beak. ^^

Really ?
You do realize that china is it own set of server with their own rule. Sure Square has "some" say in it but it is mostly up to the Chinese partner to decide what, when, where and how much.
They also gave a lot of old V1 reward not just sell it. For example, the shoe that let you sprint infinitely in city. It was a ffxi-ffxiv promo.
That how licensing work. They give most if not all the right of it for money and feed them update. If they're part that displease them they can change them.

It might have been even part of the deal that let us have all these sweet sweet exclusive item.
Since it is separate and there is no migration possible i don't see why it would matter.

Sure if they sold it/gave it away here i would be piss off.

I guess as they give some of their exclusive items , they feel need to give them our exclusives items
But they have a lot of exclusivites we havent. And we havent alot of exclusivities in our own server :/

Funny is they gave us chocobo angel/devil bard but no winged dresses ???? I'm not wanting it but unfair for people wanted it ;(

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If they do this on the na/jp side I'm done.

I always said this is the final straw for me. Seeing as how it was our exclusive reward I don't really agree with this...at all. Th fact that they did not have 1.0 does not justify it imho. Without legacy players they wouldn't even be playing their game.

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But SE is a business, they have to make money :^)

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Originally Posted by Zaine_Lionheart

The thing is, if something isnt making money to support itself any business cuts the cord regardless of the rest of the company's success the Legacy players are the only reason youre able to post here today to even argue that.

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Projects have budgets. There were no people to subscribe to FFXIV before it came out the first time. The money had to come from somewhere. Many people believe they took the money from their cash cow at the time, FFXI, and continued to do so. Basically because update quantity/quality suffered conveniently at the same time. SoA was most likely an attempt to regain their losses on FFXIV.

They were already into production of ARR before a reduced subscription was re-instituted. Maybe the Legacy player's loyalty convinced them to continue, and yes, they contributed a fair portion of income to do it. However, it's hard to believe they were the sole source of income to go into the projects. They need to stop acting like they made the game, though, and pretending they were the only one to contribute money towards it.

And furthermore, if they love this game so much, why would they be hurt that SE would want to make money to continue it however they can? I mean, really... You're going to quit, having just cried about being subscribed since 1.0, because China gets a stupid chocobo? /facepalm

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Originally Posted by TarynH

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ROFL do you even know how the Legacy campaign worked? for that statement I guess not. That kind of ignorance is really painful. Im not trying to be mean but you are sadly misinformed. Legacy players actually were PAYING when they didnt have to, THEY SUPPORED THE GAME your point is very invalid you need to understand people who PAID for a game that had almost Zero end game what so ever... yes they deserve the items with out no we wouldnt be here, SE may have gotten a slight support from XI funds but again if there wasnt enough interest who would pay millions of dollars to redo it, when they could have scrapped it. You gotta think about that

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Originally Posted by Zaine_Lionheart

ROFL do you even know how the Legacy campaign worked?

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Yeah, you had to pay for 90 days while 1.0 was still running. But again, you act like Legacy players were the only source of income toward SE at the time. At the very low end (judging by the amount of names in the credits) they produced at least 1.7mil. Do you really believe an MMO (rebuilt from the ground up) only cost around 2mil? If so, I would find you "sadly misinformed." Especially considering production began on 2.0 in January 2011, and the Legacy program wasn't introduced until 2012. Did Legacy players go back in time to fund that year of production as well?

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Originally Posted by TarynH

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Im not exactly misinformed and considering you joined in 2015, I promise I understand the situation more than you, I dont understand the NEED for old items why would people want that... instead why not ask for NEW special items to show that YOU supported the game? I constantly see this crying about legacy players, and legacy items. It baffles me or is it the fact people cant have it now they want it? But this is kind of a slap to the face to the loyal fans who did help support the game when it was bad.

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Originally Posted by Zaine_Lionheart

Im not exactly misinformed and considering you joined in 2015, I promise I understand the situation more than you, I dont understand the NEED for old items why would people want that... instead why not ask for NEW special items to show that YOU supported the game? I constantly this crying about legacy players, and legacy items. It baffles me or is it the fact people cant have it now they want it? But this is kind of a slap to the face to the loyal fans who did help support the game when it was bad.

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I joined the game in 2014, but that doesn't mean I wasn't following it. I simply had no ability to play 1.0, or I would have. I would have opted in on some other form to pay toward 2.0, if given the choice, as I was interested in playing a new FF MMO. (A lot of people think they just took money from FFXI anyway.) But I never wanted anything out of it. I still wouldn't have threatened to quit over legacy items. I don't want them, nor do I care who gets/wants them. Hell, they didn't even have to give out anything. You mention deserving them, but really all you were doing was hedging your bets that 2.0 would come, let alone succeed. But I digress.

What baffles me, is when people cry and say they're going to quit because someone else has a chance to get some digital code. It doesn't make any sense coming from a supposed die hard legacy player that "suffered" through 1.0. Like that's some badge of honor. At the very worst, it was the equivalent of paying for a bad game twice. We've all paid money for bad games. It makes them sound like an entitled brat, or some kind of jilted lover. "We made FFXIV:ARR what it is, by tossing money at it for 90 days. Nevermind the 5-6mil supposedly playing now. Nor the millions that SE put into it to begin with. Us 33,000 made it ALL happen!" I'm not denying they helped, but they didn't set the stars in the sky.

I hope they put legacy stuff on the Mog Station. Not because I want it but because some of these attitudes are quite negative.

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Originally Posted by Molamolala

Chinese server is putting Legacy Chocobo on cash shop

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As long as the Chinese datacenter is living by itself, I do not care what happens there.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Yeah, you had to pay for 90 days while 1.0 was still running. But again, you act like Legacy players were the only source of income toward SE at the time. At the very low end (judging by the amount of names in the credits) they produced at least 1.7mil. Do you really believe an MMO (rebuilt from the ground up) only cost around 2mil? If so, I would find you "sadly misinformed." Especially considering production began on 2.0 in January 2011, and the Legacy program wasn't introduced until 2012. Did Legacy players go back in time to fund that year of production as well?

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While I understand you opinion and side of things.

- I paid and played XI for 12 years.
- I've purchased every FF since the first to present when they were released, not yrs later.
- XIV I started on 1.0 Alpha and played and paid all the way to current ARR (besides the time where the service was free)
- I submitted reports for every alpha and beta.

Even with all these, do I feel that I helped save the game? No. Do I feel like I contributed to make a better product? Yes. My Legacy items are a reward for that in my eyes and has meaning for that exclusiveness, besides what SE has promised out of them multiple times.

SE can create plenty of things for players and generate money and retain their promise on legacy items. The CS has already proven that.

Again, I don't mind China getting these items, they are a separate situation. To others that feel this is greedy, my position isn't one of those that just paid my way into legacy status.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

I joined the game in 2014, but that doesn't mean I wasn't following it. I simply had no ability to play 1.0, or I would have. I would have opted in on some other form to pay toward 2.0, if given the choice, as I was interested in playing a new FF MMO. (A lot of people think they just took money from FFXI anyway.)

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I'm going to break it here so I can agree with you. I also believe that money from FFXI contributed to both 1.0 and 2.0. I think that is a true statement. I cannot and won't even try to put a number on that contribution, but I am a firm believer that it is true nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

But I never wanted anything out of it. I still wouldn't have threatened to quit over legacy items. I don't want them, nor do I care who gets/wants them. Hell, they didn't even have to give out anything. You mention deserving them, but really all you were doing was hedging your bets that 2.0 would come, let alone succeed. But I digress.

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I'm going to mostly agree here too. Subscriptions started back up in early 2012, I don't think the legacy campaign happened until the Spring. Those of us that paid during that time did so without the expectation of things for 2.0 as well.

Some of us do say that we deserve the items, some of us say that there wouldn't be a game now without us, I don't fully agree with that.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

What baffles me, is when people cry and say they're going to quit because someone else has a chance to get some digital code. It doesn't make any sense coming from a supposed die hard legacy player that "suffered" through 1.0. Like that's some badge of honor. At the very worst, it was the equivalent of paying for a bad game twice. We've all paid money for bad games.

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I am one of the people who said they may quit over releasing the Legacy Chocobo on the Mogstation. This is why:

When they did the Legacy Campaign, the made an offer. Pay for at least 3 months, in return we will grant you Legacy Status and is only available until a certain date. You have to complete it prior to that or you are ineligible.

Legacy Status granted the reduced subscription fee and the Chocobo.

If you completed the terms, then you have entered in an agreement with SE on that. A contract if you will.

In this case, those bonuses are exclusive to the terms that were agreed to by the seller and the purchaser. Changing that agreement, by removing the agreement of limitation of time sensitivity without agreement from both parties is them breaking that original contract.

That is my dislike. There is more on that below.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

It makes them sound like an entitled brat, or some kind of jilted lover. "We made FFXIV:ARR what it is, by tossing money at it for 90 days. Nevermind the 5-6mil supposedly playing now. Nor the millions that SE put into it to begin with. Us 33,000 made it ALL happen!" I'm not denying they helped, but they didn't set the stars in the sky.

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Again, I will agree that it helped, but money also came from other sources too.

SE, never entered into any type of agreement with people who purchased their goods or services in relation to this game or Legacy Status. They didn't, there should not be any expectation for such to happen.

My issue with them adding the Chocobo to the Mogstation is that by doing so, they have broken the terms of a deal that was made. A deal they offered.

Part of the value of legacy was the exclusivity of the Chocobo. I will not sugarcoat that exclusivity and rarity increases the value of an item in the views of many purchasers. It doesn't happen here only. It happens all around us in the world with many things.

I am not going to try and justify exclusives, artificially limited items or anything like that. Not the purpose of this response.

Breaking any deal runs a risk of damaging the product attached to it. The risk and the damage vary based upon many things. I don't want to see that happen.

What does that have to do with quitting over a mount?

SE broke their agreement. I honored my part of the agreement and I consider it reasonable to expect the same from the seller. I do not do business with companies that perform actions that break contracts or deliberately perform actions that significantly alter the value of an item.

In the end, I am left with a choice, do I swallow my pride and accept that, or do I cease to do business with that company?

I don't want to have to make that choice, and I hope SE never forces me to.

The Korean and Chinese versions are run by a different company, they did not make the agreement with some players that SE did. Therefore, I do not consider it reasonable to extend that contract or expectations for it to be honored to them.

I think we should ignore what china/korean server getting to be happy and no complain . I think i will stop to be on general discussion on all forum xD Like that i see nothing ^^

Buying a BMW does not mean you are rich or come from a well-to-do background. It just means you did whatever to get that status symbol.

Just because you own a Legacy chocobo does not mean you were actually there for the bad times of FFXIV. It just means you paid for 3 months to get legacy status, perhaps barely even touching the game. I know more legacy players that did that than those that actually stuck with it.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Buying a BMW does not mean you are rich or come from a well-to-do background. It just means you did whatever to get that status symbol.

Just because you own a Legacy chocobo does not mean you were actually there for the bad times of FFXIV. It just means you paid for 3 months to get legacy status, perhaps barely even touching the game. I know more legacy players that did that than those that actually stuck with it.

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True, there a person I play with that has legacy sub and thought 1.0 was only free for like a month or two and I was like uh no 1.0 was free for like a year before they put the sub back in place.

I'm a Legacy player and I never use the chocobo and I don't care. If it does happen, I do think the legacy mark should stay exclusive to those characters though.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I hope they put legacy stuff on the Mog Station. Not because I want it but because some of these attitudes are quite negative.

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Can I join you? I'll bring the popcorn and soda if you bring the 3D glasses and chairs.

It's kinda funny to see the salt for legacy even after all these years. I remember in 2013 on the beta forums we were attacked haha it was kinda funny/sad. Called jerks, elitists, all kinds of names..lol there was tons of threads made about "Do not play on a legacy server!!! They are bad people" and then the salt came with the discount sub, and the rewards. At least we got to make funny memes outta it >.>

Oh..and FYI, whatever people want to assume, I actually did not even know about the legacy campaign until my boyfriend was like "Oh nice! You got legacy today!" while pointing at my screen, me "what?? What is that lol" I was just happily playing 1.0..could care less about any status nor did I even know it existed, I just loved the game at the time. (and to this day still)

Anyway to continue discussing this is pointless..they already added it to China, who cares, if its truly a different game run by a different company..whatever..and they will never add it in our Mogstation, so its just all moot. I thought it was approved by SE and run by SE..but if its not, that changes my mind a bit.

OH and I agree with Istaru, if they broke the deal...that is what would bother me. Breaking the word!

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Originally Posted by Iromi

It's kinda funny to see the salt for legacy even after all these years. I remember in 2013 on the beta forums we were attacked haha it was kinda funny/sad. Called jerks, elitists, all kinds of names..lol there was tons of threads made about "Do not play on a legacy server!!! They are bad people" and then the salt came with the discount sub, and the rewards. At least we got to make funny memes outta it >.>

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I think you forgot "I'm kicking Legacy players from my party!"

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Originally Posted by Molamolala

AFAIK, Legacy Chocobo is a reward for legacy players, yet there was technically no 1.0 in Chinese server, and now everybody on Chinese server can get legacy item from cash shop. Is it a good thing for them to make money out of this? Does it hurt the feeling of actual 1.0 players?

http://act.ff.sdo.com/shop/Detail.aspx?id=287

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You answered your own question, the item in question is something the Chinese Server never had access to nor any chance of obtaining, so offering them in cash shop makes sense. Fair is fair in this respect because if they are adding Mog Station items that started unique to Koreans and the Chinese, then it's only fair that they get items that were unique to NA/EU/JP.

Yoshida has no say in what Chinese and Korean servers does at all. So blaming him is wrong, even what goes on our Mogshop isnt his decisions either but his overlords.

The legacy players that are upset about this are probably the same people that got relics from there bedroom.