They're zones, not instances. The houses themselves are instances, but not the wards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaethra
Forcing players to pay to keep housing is unfair.
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04-13-2017, 05:34 AMDustytome
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04-13-2017, 05:36 AMNyerieri
One thing I wish people would stop saying on this thread is "we only have a month". Last I checked it was 45 days. I know 30 sounds better for your argument, but it is 45.
Again, if you cant take the time to login (or even have a friend do it!) within 45 days, you don't need the house. Period.
If it was up to me, it would be 35 days for auto demolish and 25 for FC lead pass because I think SE is too generous. -
04-13-2017, 05:39 AMRymm
Why is everyone just assuming that all people who have houses don't like the timer and all people who don't have one do like it? I have a medium house in LB (technically, it's the FC house but seeing as it is my husband's and mine FC and I farmed all of the gil to buy it and did all the decorating, I think it is safe to consider it 'mine' for the purposes of this thread) and I completely agree that the demo timer is needed for as long as the system remains as it is now. Again, I say this even after losing my first house that I bought back before the demo timer was a thing and I was promised it would always be there.
The fact of the matter is, the housing system is royally screwed up and, rather than whining on the forums about the symptoms of the housing crisis, a better expenditure of time and effort would be to spend it pressuring SE to fix the fundamental problems with it. After that, there would be no need for demos any more and I would be as happy as anyone else to see them go. -
04-13-2017, 05:57 AMToasterMan
Now that cross server party finder is a thing, people have a little more incentive to go to a lesser populated world. Even then, being guaranteed a house isn't enough of an incentive to get people onto smaller servers, proven by Balmung's overpopulation even though there's plenty of houses on "Dead" servers.
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04-13-2017, 05:58 AMCadmar
Guys. I have the answer. Since housing is causing such a problem, I feel the only solution is to remove it from the game entirely.
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04-13-2017, 06:03 AMClover_Blake
Maybe this has been said already, but apartments don't require you to pay.
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04-13-2017, 06:14 AMThirdChild_ZKIAnd that's exactly why I'm considering letting go of my small house and just getting an apt in Shirogane once the housing there opens up. A small FC can have my old house, and I can be just as fine with an apt. Ideally, I'd like a little more space for the 200K extra I paid than a personal chamber in an FC house, but that's out of my hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clover_Blake
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04-13-2017, 06:16 AMCyllaWUT?! lol This is not true one bit and I know that for fact as I had quit XI for nearly a year and still had all my level 1 characters that were just alts when I came back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
*Edit - I partly re-track my statement. There "WAS" a 90 day time frame, but SE was sued by a player back in 2009 and SE got rid of it. However, this must have been really random because I had quit back in 2004 and didn't come back until near the end of the year, still had my main character and all my alts. -
04-13-2017, 06:27 AMHyoMinParkHousing demolition timer is 45 days from the last time you step foot in the house. That goes for personal and FC housing. Only difference is only the owner of a personal house can reset the timer (tenants cannot), where as any FC member accessing an FC house resets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI
The opening post asked for the complete removal of the timer to cater to the OP's needs. A month off (30-31 days) is well within the 45 day timer for housing. No need to remove the timer since they still have 9-10 to log in and access the house. If the OP's financial situation is so dire they have to sacrifice their FFXIV sub, I think that they should honestly be more concerned about resolving that, rather than worrying about a virtual house.Quote:
He just wants a month off. And people are like "Too bad, so sad. Get homeless!"
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04-13-2017, 06:29 AMalimdiaNo one is saying keeping a house is more important than getting medical treatment or worrying about deployment, but you are aware people will come back to the game after sorting out whatever situation they have, right? And when they come back their house will be gone if it took longer than 45 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErryK
I'm not against the auto demolition system, but 45 days is too short, and either proposal to increase the timer or change the system so it takes into account whether your sub is active or not would be welcome over what we have right now.
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04-13-2017, 06:41 AMNaesakiAshwell
In regards to the overall system, 45 days is a bit short, imo 60 days would be a nice compromise until the system changes.
The larger servers especially are well beyond breaking point now, supply just doesn't meet the demand.
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The real issue to me with housing is one account using all their alts to own several houses.
All they really need to do is change it so houses are shared on the account to alleviate that or even just limit a house to 1-2 per account.
I'm well aware this is a thoroughly beaten horse, but in my opinion its a very unfair system, so please no arguing this particular point because it has been beaten enough.
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I lost my house a while ago due to quite simply, burning out on the game, through every fault of my own.
I got completely swept up in the raiding scene by my raid obsessed friends and truthfully I didn't enjoy it at all but I went along as to not disappointment my friends who was so eager to do the raid content that it was infectious. But end result, they got bored and quit the game, left more or less alone as back then my BF was still very new and barely played/game hadn't gripped him yet. As much as it pained me that I didn't want to lose the house, I just couldn't justify a continuous sub for barely logging in to do anything.
6 months later, come back to my old plot now under the ownership of someone I hope enjoys it.
Was I sad about? Of course, but I got over it because end of the day, I stopped playing so its only right someone else gets to enjoy old my plot.
I've now saved up enough gil to more than get a small house in Shirogane when that chance arises, could potentially get medium, I've got a new love the game now that I re-evaluated my wants and needs in the game and I've found that I can't really burn out as such any more. Though at this point my boyfriend and his friends now play a great deal more and love the game to so that helps.
It sucks to anyone who's lost their house but honestly until SE change the system its just something for now that you need to get over despite how hard it might be.
If you're making a digital house such a massive priority in your life, then you really need to sit back and have a good long think. -
04-13-2017, 06:45 AMAstralKaosThey absolutely should... and then not add it again until they do it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadmar
What's doing it right? Making a limited number of wards for those who want that "neighbour" feeling rubbish; then have individual plots of each size on a floating island/scenic field/beach inlet, etc - that's instanced.
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04-13-2017, 06:59 AMHyoMinParkUnfortunately, I feel like basing housing demolition off of active subscription isn't exactly the best idea because it's open for potential "abuse." I took a break around the holidays last year, and returned for 3.55a, but I'd left my sub active (I was really only planning to take off a week or two, but it ended up being longer, and I did sign in briefly for the Heavensturn event for like 20 minutes). So, what if someone decides that they want to take a 6 month break, but leave their sub active just to keep a house? Not only are they wasting money, but they're not even playing the game, much less using the house. And there are others that would just keep playing as normal, but not even use their house. I'm firmly against letting people just keep things that they aren't even using just because they want to keep it (yet, can't be arsed to even step into it every 44 days). Especially if the items are as limited as housing (which isn't the fault of any group of players, but a poor design choice on SE's side). I feel that the ones that decide to abuse that feature would just ruin it for the rest of the playerbase, regardless if the number is small or large.Quote:
Originally Posted by alimdia
How many days would you propose would be a good time frame? I think the 45 days is decent enough, but extending it to 60 could possibly also work. I think 90 would be pushing it; max I think should be 75. That's two and a half months. Plenty of time for those that just want to take a casual break from the game due to lack of content or burn out or whatever personal reason, and still maintain their estate.
People that are called away from the game due to extenuating circumstances for extended periods of time (be it work, deployment, illness, natural disaster, etc.)....I know none of that stuff is really within their control, but SE can't and shouldn't offer special catering to those individuals (that probably sounds cold, but that's not how I'm intending it to sound). Especially considering the player's leave time will vary based on circumstances (they could be away for six months on business, or be deployed overseas for a year or more), and why should SE cater to such varying lengths of time? It becomes unfair because not every player receives the same grace period on housing demolition.
If one person gets special treatment, then everyone will start to demand the same treatment. And if they don't get it, Reddit and the forum will blow up with threads complaining about it. -
04-13-2017, 07:29 AMChevronone
All the tears of the homeless in this thread...
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04-13-2017, 08:14 AMTarynHIf you're in the hospital dying, I think you'd have more pressing things to worry about than losing your virtual house on FFXIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi
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04-13-2017, 08:23 AMalimdiaQuote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
Thing is those people are still paying the service just as if they were actively playing, their money is still funding the servers hosting these houses, in my head I see no difference between someone who keeps their sub active while on break, someone who only logs in to enter the house once every 45 days and someone who is actively playing but again only using their house maybe once a month.
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04-13-2017, 08:29 AMShadowYomi
Still on the side that if you have a active subscription the timer shouldn't start. And if they want to pay a subscription to keep a house let them. If people are unable to login but still pay for their subscription their house should not be removed.
Consider the psn players who could not be able to login due to psn being offline or having a messed up internet provider or the platform they play on needing to be repaired.
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04-13-2017, 08:36 AMVhailorThe problem is that housing is limited. It never should have been, and accepting that as a matter of course is giving SE a giant pass on their incompetent implementation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alynn
It's not a secret that airlines can kick you off the plane if they overbook, either; that doesn't mean it's proper or fair. SE being up-front about a shitty and unnecessary policy should not exempt them from angry responses, nor should it preclude us from sympathizing with those who suffer under the policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
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04-13-2017, 09:03 AMHyoMinParkWe'll just have to respectfully disagree on this point, I'm afraid. If a player is only going to use their house once a month, why even invest so much gil into it, or even own it in the first place? Like with the OP, if someone is going to invest millions of gil into an estate, I would hope that they would use it more than just once a month. Even if it's just a spot to AFK in while they go make dinner or something. I'm still of the frame of mind that if people aren't going to actively use their housing, perhaps they should let those that will have it, and opt for a different housing choice (like an apartment, however underwhelming they may be). And that's not me being bitter that I don't have an estate of my own. I just don't see the point in owning something that you aren't even going to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by alimdia
With regards to the end of PS3 support, that was announced months ago, giving people plenty of time to upgrade to PS4, purchase a PS4, or switch over/purchase a PC to play FFXIV on instead. And sure, PSN is notorious for having issues, but I don't think there has ever been an instance where it was unavailable for 45 consecutive days (the most I believe was around 20 days or so back in 2011, which was before this game we play was even released). If something so extreme like that were to occur, considering there is a considerable amount of players on PS4, I would think SE would at least extend a courtesy similar to what they did with the earthquakes in Japan to the entire playerbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowYomi
As for ISP, I would hope that if someone had consecutive internet/connection problems for 30 days or more, that they would consider switching providers. And I don't think computer/PlayStation repairs would take the full 45 days, so that's also a bit of a stretch there. At the very least, if keeping their house was so important, they could probably find an alternative method to logging in to reset the timer (i.e., perhaps going to a friend's house and asking to install FFXIV on said platform of choice in order to log in and reset the timer).
People keep bringing up these individual situations, but I don't think that SE should have to cater to these individual needs. They need to either cater to the playerbase as a whole (like they did when they suspended the demolition timer for EVERYONE), or not at all. Why do so many people want special treatment, and why do they think SE should give it to them? I'm not trying to sound cold or callous, but some of the things listed here would be so isolated in occurrence that it doesn't necessitate changing the system for that reason.
Should housing be readjusted in this game? Absolutely. I'm not saying that the housing system in FFXIV is without flaws. What I'm saying is that some of the reasons listed in this thread just don't hold enough ground to be the reason for that change. -
04-13-2017, 09:14 AMDualgunnerMy issue is busybody thinking like this. Whatever someone does with something they invested millions to tens of millions of gil into is nobody's business but their own. Fact of the matter is, they allocated their time and resources into getting that house, and they got it before any competition managed it. In my mind 'fair' stops factoring into the equation after that point and it becomes a game of haves vs have nots.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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04-13-2017, 09:16 AMNiwashiHousing demolition exists so that players who have left the game don't keep holding those plots in perpetuity, leaving the housing wards as ghost towns of former players. But players who have left the game aren't going to keep their subscription active. (Well, maybe briefly if they forget to turn off auto-renewal, but not for long at any rate.) The ones who are still paying their sub are still continuing the game, and should have the same rights as any other active player.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
The "abuses" you describe are nothing of the kind. Sure people could keep their house without making good use of it, but they can already. You don't have to do anything more with it than step inside. (You can also already lose an estate while making regular daily use of it if your use is outside in the garden and you're not keeping careful enough track of that demolition timer.) Demolition isn't about giving plots to people who will use them better.
If the 45 day demolition timer only counted how long you went without an active subscription, and the NPC who holds your goods for you after demolition did so permanently, for the sake of players who take breaks longer than that, it would be a much more balanced and fair system. But SE would still need to deal with their housing shortage issue. Even if their design doesn't allow for keeping houses for all past players (as instancing them could), they do need a system that can readily accommodate all currently active players. -
04-13-2017, 09:19 AMHyoMinParkSo if we equated this situation to something in the real world, would you still stand by what you said then? If someone invested hundreds of thousands of dollars into a nice home, but then never used it? What would even be the point? Perhaps this is unrelated to the topic at hand, but if this is your opinion, would it still apply to different situations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
That's fine if you consider it okay to own things and never use them. But it's also fine for others (and myself) to think you're just wasting your money (or gil), and that people who would use the item should have the opportunity to do so, something that isn't possible in this game with housing so limited.
And I would hardly call my thinking "busybody." Thinking that it's silly for people to own things they never use, and think they have the right to keep owning stuff they never use just because "this is my sub, I pay for it" is not meddling, nor is it prying. -
04-13-2017, 09:24 AMLexia
How about SE stick in a pop up before persons buys house that says house will be reclaimed after 45 days of no use do you agreek? If they still click yes they would have no room to say they didn't know about the reclaim timer.
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04-13-2017, 09:29 AMNyerieri
<< Still going to be the minority that is the 1-3% on this forum who thinks 45 days is way to long. Ive seen 60-75 days being floated around on this section, get out of here with that. If you can't be bothered to log in ONCE every 44 days then you do not deserve a house, period. I don't care about your Rl issues or anything else, because that should be #1 priority. Soon as you start getting attached to pixels.. well i'm just going to leave it at that. Go buy an "apartment" if you want to call it that, and dont worry about ever logging in again. Problem solved.
P.S Should be 25 day FC lead pass and 30-35 day house demo. Best idea out of the 10 days presented so far was a gil system or token system to reduce the demo countdown on peoples houses that are obv not coming back, etc (so in theory, with enough gil thrown at it, it could be purchased the next day). Also think individuals shouldn't be able to purchase m and large houses, make small just for personal, but thats a different topic for a different day -
04-13-2017, 09:31 AMNiwashiThe complaints, or most of them anyway, aren't coming from people who don't know about the reclaim timer. They're coming from people who don't like it (either at all, or the specifics of how it was implemented).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
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04-13-2017, 09:37 AMNyerieriThere coming from people who actually own houses (Fun fact, I have a FC house). I also lost my small personal a long time ago, and I still am the minority here (in the fact that I own a house, and think its way to long the current system) that think if you can't log on for 44 days, you don't deserve it. Was I kinda upset I lost the house? Yeah, maybe for a few minutes, but I moved on. It took me all of a day to craft everything again that I had in it in case i ever do decide to purchase a small again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi
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04-13-2017, 09:38 AMDualgunnerIt is a thing in the real world. Storage facilities make a lot of money off of people who own things but don't use them--a monthly fee, in fact. And unlike in the game there is no way to just instantiate storage facilities irl.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
I never said meant to imply people weren't allowed to have thoughts and opinions separate to mine. It's fine if you think that people are silly for owning things they don't need or use. I don't even disagree that it is silly and, in real life, a dangerous habit to have. My line in the sand is when people advocate for those resources to be forcefully taken from people just because they aren't using them.
In response to the last paragraph there, I'm not entirely sure how to interpret what you mean.
"Thinking that it's silly for people to own things they never use," I wouldn't consider this a busybody type of thought, either.
"and think they have the right to keep owning stuff they never use just because "this is my sub, I pay for it"" If that is how you feel, then were are birds of a feather. If you just misplaced a 'not' somewhere, then that is exactly where, like with that other user, we'll have to agree to disagree. If they own it, and don't use it, they still own it and they still support the game even if they don't play it. This sentence in particular:
"If a player is only going to use their house once a month, why even invest so much gil into it, or even own it in the first place? Like with the OP, if someone is going to invest millions of gil into an estate, I would hope that they would use it more than just once a month." Smacks of busybody to me. "If they're not going to use a house the way I would/would want to, they're just wasting the plot and should give it up."
If this was not your complete thought or idea regarding the subject, then I apologize for pulling you out of context. The quote I mined in particular, however, is emblematic of the issue I have with a lot of people arguing that players should have their homes auto-demoed.
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This is the kind of sentiment I'm talking about. "If you don't use your virtual property the way I deem necessary, you do not DESERVE that and must give it up."Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyerieri
A) They put the initial time and resource investment into the game (gil) to get the house. The house is a onetime payment.
B ) They got there before anyone else
C) In this hypothetical the player is still paying their sub, thus still supporting the game so they're doing as much for the game as they would be if they used their house obsessively
Ideally housing would be overhauled to be more like WildStar's, but as it is it feels like an endless spiral of Team Hoarder VS Team Vulture. -
04-13-2017, 09:38 AMLexiaThat my point of the pop up to shove it in their face and if they don't like it or think it too short they have to option to decide not buy the plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi
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04-13-2017, 09:42 AMGeminaYup. It's essentially the same as telling the landlord that you'll be away for a couple months, and feel that you shouldn't have to pay rent during this time since you're not actually occupying the residence. It is then within their right to give that space to someone who is going to pay. And if you don't move your stuff, they can also do whatever they want to it. Luckily, with the game it's not a breach of contract like it would be with renting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsumdere
The solution to your problem is simple, and sorry if someone else has already mentioned it: The cost of your subscription needs to be absorbed elsewhere. Take a look at how much you're spending on starbucks, smokes, lotto tickets, or whatever your vice is make the adjustment to your expenses so you don't have to lose what you've invested time in. -
04-13-2017, 09:43 AMHyoMinParkTying housing demolition strictly to just paying your subscription would just make it even easier for people to continue to hold on to plots they aren't using. If it is so hard for people to just ENTER their estate ONCE every 44 days, then I really don't think that they should even be owning one. Because to do so literally only takes a minute out of your playtime, and if you can't be bothered to do that then... I'm sorry, but it makes absolutely no sense to me to invest so much time in saving up anywhere from 4 to 50 million gil (which can take some considerable time and effort), and then buy a house and NEVER MAKE GOOD USE OF IT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi
You say that demolition is to prevent the wards from turning into ghost towns of homes that were owned by people that left the game ages ago, and not about giving up the plots to people that would use them, but that is kind of what the demolition is about: kicking those who didn't bother to enter their house for 45 days, and giving those who want to purchase a plot the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that the next owner would actually use it, and I know there's nothing that can really be done about that other than kicking them as well if they also don't bother to enter it once every 45 days.
It's also worth pointing out that the OP wanted to keep their plot, but at the same time, take a break and NOT have an active subscription. If housing demolition was based on active sub time, and houses were demolished if people didn't pay their sub in 45 days (like you suggest), then the OP would probably have still lost their plot anyways. Since they were complaining about "feeling pressured" to pay money monthly for the game in order to keep a house. -
04-13-2017, 09:47 AMNyerieriHmm.. I wonder what is wrong with your thinking then. You are comparing pixels to real life storage. I'm going to say it like this; (besides the fact you are comparing apples to oranges)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
No, not everyone is entitled to everything in the game. Also, despite popular belief, no one is a special snowflake in this game. That is where most of the defense for the "We need to extend the 45 day timer or remove the auto demo because its unfair!". Fun fact: Nothing in life is 100% fair. Too bad we don't live in a perfect world huh?
Also; Don't use the defense of they sunk so much gil into the house. Cmon, if you didn't know housing was a gil sink, you didn't do your homework. Sure, they are fun to decorate, but I expect no return out of them.
It ultimately boils down to this, if you can't log in ONCE every 44 days to keep your house, you have bigger issues going on that you need to address. Maybe quit the game? Let it get auto demolished and get some of your gil back? Lots of options.
Maybe if I say this enough it'll catch on; SE is being way too generous with the current 45 day timer. I would be happy with it, because you know, you could end up with, lets say, a 30-35 day auto demo, or what the other person suggested, a way to decrease the remaining time on your house via gil or some token. Be careful what you ask for. -
04-13-2017, 09:48 AMTintyou mean they should instead buy a plot without the 45 days auto demolition?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
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04-13-2017, 09:49 AMDualgunnerMy thinking was as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyerieri
Question: "What if this was RL? Would it still be fair?"
Me: *provides example of it being RL and still being fair*
I also don't go around telling people what they do and don't deserve based on how they use the things they invested in being different from how I use them. -
04-13-2017, 09:51 AMNaesakiAshwell
Its sad to think that this whole situation and problem could be a moot point if SE ever gets around to sorting out the housing situation so that everyone is capable of owning a house.
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04-13-2017, 09:57 AMDualgunner
Another (temporary) solution would be to allow players to just sell the plots back on their own when they are done and know they'll be done. Not to other players, since that can be taken advantage of, but a straight self selling of the property.
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04-13-2017, 09:59 AMHyoMinParkThe discussion has sort of devolved and deviated from the opening post, but the person who started this thread stated clearly that they wanted to take a break from playing FFXIV and NOT have an active subscription, but they also felt that they had the right to their housing even though they were no longer going to even be an active subscriber for however long they wanted to unsub. They also started bringing up extreme situations trying to justify their point, such as "I could be in the hospital dying, why is it fair that my house gets demolished?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
Other posters came here to say that as long as they are paying a sub, they should get to keep their housing, whether they are using it or not, and whether they enter the estate or not. Which made myself and others question: "why own something if you aren't going to be bothered to take 60 seconds of your playtime to even just walk through the door? Why not invest in an apartment that requires little to no maintenance, instead of saying you should get to keep your mostly unused plot/what you want because you pay a game sub. So does everyone else."
That in turn changed this discussion into the "people who aren't using their plots are going to lose them, and those who would actually use them should have the opportunity to do so" discussion that we are having now.
The fact that housing is so limited is not a fault of any group of players presented in this thread, from those that actively use a house to those that barely even touch it. That is entirely a fault of SE, and yes, they should do something to rectify it (be in instanced housing or more wards or whatever). But the fact is that housing is limited, and it is competitive, and if a person isn't going to actively use a resource that is so limited, why hold it for them when there are other potential plot owners that would actively use it?
Sorry if my post sounded snippy or rude. I wasn't trying to be. Just this thread is so full of (I hate to say it, but) entitlement, and people wanting SE to give them special snowflake treatment, that it's mildly aggravating. I stand by what I said in my first post on this topic: if something happens that is so bad that you cannot log into a game for an extended period of time (illness, financial problems, natural disaster, work/military deployment/other life responsibilities), and you care so much about a virtual house, you need to sit down and straighten your priorities out. And I stand by if you aren't going to be bothered to even ENTER your estate JUST ONCE for 60 SECONDS in 44 days, but then whine about it being demolished, or how you can't just hold on to something you aren't even using just because you pay a subscription, then why even own it in the first place? -
04-13-2017, 10:11 AMDualgunner
I respect where you're coming from Hyo. I disagree because, in my opinion, they bought the house first. In this era of limited housing, I can understand a timer for when the sub expires, as in effect they're no longer paying "rent" and I even support it. I also feel that, like in my small little thought before your response, a lot would also be helped if players could just sell their plot. Even if selling it just acted as a forced demolition where you got 80% of your gil back, it would maybe alleviate some of the stress and it puts the relinquishing of the home on the player's terms.
I don't mean to sound snippy either, and apologize if I have come across as such. This is an aggravating topic that wouldn't even exist if SE hadn't botched the system up so hard to begin with.
" then why even own it in the first place?"
That's not a position to stand on. That's a question, and its answer varies from person to person, and I stand by whatever their reasoning was, they bought the house and won the race to own it, therefore so long as their sub is payed they should be able to keep it. -
04-13-2017, 10:35 AMHyoMinParkThank you for being respectful of my differing opinion. While I respect yours, I'll have to respectfully disagree with it, as you do with mine. I do appreciate our polite exchange, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
Hopefully, with time, SE can come up with an actual solution to the housing issue in this game...something better than FC-room sized apartments, and only adding 4 new wards to the existing zones after several demands and complaints to do something about housing. I do find it unbelievable that, given today's technology, SE can't figure out a solution to give everyone the opportunity to have a house, or some equivalent. Especially since FFXI was able to give its players an instanced Mog House with its older technology.
I was honestly excited about the apartments until I learned they were the same as an FC room, just 200k more expensive. I was hoping they would have at least been a little bigger, because then i would have considered investing in one of those. But I already had an FC room, and I didn't want to pay 200k more for another one, basically.
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04-13-2017, 10:40 AMDualgunner
Apartments could have been worse, they could have been a zone hallway with instanced rooms so they could literally only fit so many >.>;
Yeah I was heavily disappointed by apartments as well. :< -
04-13-2017, 10:41 AMMasekase_HurricaneThis^^ People are already doing this by coming online once every 45 days to reset the timer. Yet doing nothing with their house. We have a mansion in our ward that has been virtually empty for a year and a half it has 5 items in it a garden and a stable. They log on to pay the sub as we see the player appear every few weeks. I am glad they are forced to log on.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark