Anyone ever got turn off to play certain class just because their aesthetic?

I can't stand AST because of the whole astrology angle. My RL family is into all sorts of occult stuff like that and I'm completely not on board with it, so it's a turn off to me even in a fantasy game. But I always play warlocks and black mages and stuff, go figure :P

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Originally Posted by AreciaRhi

I like every class but dragoon. Why would a cat girl be a dragoon? It was the last one to 60.

Makes no sense to me.

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We uh..like to pounce? xD

For me, it's WAR. The job itself is great, but.....I just don't like axes, so it was the last one of my jobs to 60.

I love swords though, which is probably why my first 50 back in 2.0 was PLD, and then my very first 60 was DRK. (DRK was my favorite in FFXI as well, so it was more that then weapon choice though when changing mains)

However, I hate how DRK's run with their weapon unsheathed...

For me it would have to be MCH.

I love the gun, but everything else it pretty lacking visually in terms of attacks. That and it took a while for Wildfire's animation to look like a giant explosion; prior to that it was barely noticeable when it went of ... was pretty anti-climatic.

I also don't like gauss barrell (good thing it can be turned off client-side) and the aetherometer converter box

Oh, all the time. If I show you the dates around when I decided to level each job, it would be around the time I found an interesting glamour for them. And whenever I stop playing a job, it's usually because I got tired of my current outfit and need to find another before I pick it back up.

Same thing for animations. MNK is one of my least favorite dps just because the punches and kicks look so awkward. As much as I like playing SCH and SMN, it also drives me absolutely insane how boring their animations are. "I'm just going to hold this book really tightly and then magic flies out!" uuuuugh, it's the worst. Obviously, I can get over it sometimes since SCH is my main, but if Yoshi-P came to me and said that he would give SCH/SMNs better weapons and animations, but he would have to delay Stormblood for a year, I would sign off in a heartbeat.

Conversely, NIN is one of my favorite dps specifically because of well they're animated. And I switched my main to AST for a while specifically because of how flashy all of their spells were and how much I loved their weapons. Although again, at the end of the day, gameplay usually wins out because despite how much I hate their weapons and animations, I switched back to SCH because I love their skill set way more.

I realize how shallow it sounds, but if I'm going to have to stare at the same characters. Same weapons. Same animations. Same everything for years on end. Then I would much rather it be something I won't get tired of looking at.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

It's also still definitely summoning, and NOT a direct damage spell, because it's got the name "Bahamut" in it! How completely riveting all this lore is, right?

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To be fair, lots of FF are guilty of this as well. Most of the times, summons are hardly more than costly-flashy-powerfuly-black/white magic spells...with a bit of something something ancient pact :p

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

To be fair, lots of FF are guilty of this as well. Most of the times, summons are hardly more than costly-flashy-powerfuly-black/white magic spells...with a bit of something something ancient pact :p

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In most, summons are flashy and impressive, though, and not a floating booger that follows you around. (Ok, the others here aren't that bad, but that one just..... ugh.) Thank goodness for Egi glamour, if only it were available right away at level 30 (or at least 35, when we get the ugly one) and not at 50.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

Everything about the summoner EVER

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And then they have the absolute gall to not only have an honest-to-god Summoner as a dungeon boss fight (looking at you, Xelphatol boss), but they also go and make a fully-detailed Alexander minion. Yes. All the details.

Just give us summons already, ffs. If you don't by Stormblood, I'll legit level BLM and forget that atrocity. At least BLM feels like the nukelord it's meant to be.

Ninjas. Anytime I see one scurrying past me, I can't help but think they're desperately looking for a toilet and/or have spinal issues.

Summoner for me. I wanted to like the job. I really did! After all, I'm a big fan of warlocks in WoW. DoT spells and pets are right up my ally.

But, no.

One look at that stupid one horned head gear and those ugly egis was enough to turn me off of summoners this whole expansion up to now.

However, now that we can glamourize the egis to look like carbuncles, I'm thinking of checking out the class. But, I'd like to be a level 50 scholar first. I might as well use the benefit of leveling two jobs for the effort of one.

I mained a PLD back in 2.0 because I love swords. Not very big on shields, but I learned to live with it. Switched to NIN because of tank anxiety at the time because it was the only class that had anything resembling a sword. Wound up deleting that character and starting over as a WAR. Took that to 50 before re-leveling a NIN and then levelling a DRK to 60. You guessed it, because it's a big ass sword lol Never levelled my current PLD past 22 because it's just not that interesting. But at this point, you can probably guess what I'm switching to when SB releases.

Biggest one for me is MCH due to the huge and ridiculous weapons.... if they held them like rifles it would be a different story but they way they are you'd be shooting the ground or have freakish wrist/arm strength... WAR also turned me off because of the axe...I don't mind AST on females but the animations are a bit femme for males imo

I tried MNK and NIN but their attack animations look bad, also I won't touch any of the range classes because I've always liked being up close and personal when I'm going for the kill. Tanks are fine especially DRK, who doesn't like wielding a giant sword? DRG appealed to me from the start because I like spears, their armor helps too.

I actually loathed the idea of playing Monk because 1) their constant moving animation of hopping on their feet made me nauseous. and 2) I hated most of the fists weapons they had.

Recently, I started leveling monk because Stormblood was coming and it seemed to be a monk centric expansion so I gave it a shot. Now I'm a lvl 60 monk and I LOVE the job!! Its so fun and they have nice DPS. I found fists that weren't dumb or I use the Emperors New Fist to do bare hand.

Now I love the job : )

ALSO I miss my Rouge Class so much ;_;
I LOVED their running animation way more than NIN and I wish I could be a badass thief with explosives and stuff. Sigh. One day maybe. And Give Me Rikkus Daggers from FFX-2. I NEED THOSE

^i love monk but i cant stand their attack animation

It feel so disjointed, other melee class has this nice "transition" from using skill 1 to skill 2 to skill 3 and so on

Monk on the other hand feel off, their attack didnt feel connect to each other

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Monk on the other hand feel off, their attack didnt feel connect to each other

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I'd argue that they shouldn't, given they have three different stances. It'd be like watching a Jackie Chan movie and saying a fight looked weird because he went from Tae-Kwon-Do to Drunken Boxing on a whim between moves. It's a bit ironic me (as a Monk player from time to time) complaining that Rog/Nin moves look stupid. All that spinning around when just shoving a dagger into someone's face normally would do a better job. On that note, I do have an issue with a few of MNK's moves, but they mostly apply because your stance has your feet planted (or flying around) while you can still move, so suddenly your character is slipping and sliding all over the floor. Dragon Kick annoys me as it's overly excessive and falls into the above trap (here I am spin-kicking and then performing an up-flip to get on my feet, all the while looking like I'm Ice-Skating), but Nin is still the No.1 pet peeve for that stupid looking running animation alone

Following on from that, here's an obligatory "Look at me I'm a Monk" comment spliced with "Look at me changing stances".

I started out wanting to be an Arcanist or Black Mage, but I really missed having different elemental attacks like they had in FFXI, especially the different summons for SMN. So, I decided to try some other classes out and I came to love PLD. I still wish they would find a way to incorporate the elemental wheel without it being miserable like it was in FFXI, but I'm glad I was pushed to try a class I would have never thought about otherwise. I did try SMN again and came to really like it.

Also, for what it's worth, I think everyone chooses the class they choose in part because of their aesthetics. I mean, otherwise, why not just have everything be wireframe models with no spell effects. :/

For a little while I was disappointed with the MCH's weapon. To me, most of their guns just looked awkward (especially when you run) and I had wanted dual pistols or something. Did find a nice revolver that I swear by and I still love the job to bits.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

No thread title has ever screamed the name "Summoner" at me as loudly as this one does.

...Where do I even begin? Apologies in advance for a rather extensive rant...

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I'm really hoping one of the new jobs in the expansion is something that I can enjoy. Aesthetics (both visual and lore-based) are really important for me. Maybe RDM will turn out to be something special?

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I wish, so bad, the devs would read this, and understand how all of us long time summoner fans feel. I look back at all the summoners through ff's history, and wish we could come close to how i envision a summoner.

Also, stop with the togas. Please just stop.

Honestly I was disappointed by SMN lack of summons... we only get 3? I understand that there is only so much they can do In regards to roles a summon can play but that could have been balanced out by giving us more summons and each summon applying a buff/debuff/status effects while summoned... image of we had the primal minions as our summons instead... ruda not only does her attacks but buffs spell speed for the party, Shiva increases magic invulnerability, ect.... I'd gladly give up skills like tri-bind, miasma 2, and even tri-disaster for better summons

I litterally jumped into AST day 1 of HW realease beacause the job's trailer hyped me a lot to play this job.
I fell in love with the job aesthetics and even so i didn't liked the i200 gear, the whole job with his gameplay and animations is god damn cool.

Im not the type of person that will not play something for its aesthetics, don't get me wrong, jobs aesthetics are very important, but i won't mind worst aesthetics for a better gameplay and fun experience everytime i play the job.

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Originally Posted by Inferiae

Didn't stop me either, but for the longest time I never touched Warrior because I don't like axes :p

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I can relate to that. Warriors should be able to use 2h. Maces/Hammers as well...just not to take 2h swords away from dark knights.

Ninjas.....I don't know what it is but they all look weird to me. Thanks to yu-gi-oh duel discs I can't take AST seriously either.

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Honestly I was disappointed by SMN lack of summons... we only get 3? I understand that there is only so much they can do In regards to roles a summon can play but that could have been balanced out by giving us more summons and each summon applying a buff/debuff/status effects while summoned... image of we had the primal minions as our summons instead... ruda not only does her attacks but buffs spell speed for the party, Shiva increases magic invulnerability, ect.... I'd gladly give up skills like tri-bind, miasma 2, and even tri-disaster for better summons

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If they did the SMN job would absolutely suck and be a DPS class with no DPS... and relegated to the scrap heap.

I think you need to be thinking in terms of something like that for SCHOLAR which is the support class side of Arcanist... Not for SMN.

Summoner is a DPS job in this game.

For the record though, there's a reason only ONE summon ever gets used while the others are little more than benchwarmers...

Garuda has Contagion... for +15 seconds of Bio/Miasma/Bio 2 on your DoT casts... (Bio 40 per tick, Miasma 35 per tick, Bio II 35 per tick... for 5 ticks (15 seconds)) ... total Potency 550 in a BANE Area of Effect or AoE. Plus Aerial Blast 250 potency AoE.

Ifrit has Flaming Crush every 30 seconds... ie 110 potency or 220 potency every 60 seconds... and Inferno (Enkindle) for 300 potency in a cone...

Garuda = BANE AoE 550 potency attack (60 sec recast) + 250 potency attack (Enkindle, 5y circle) = 800 potency in attacks.
Ifrit = 220 potency (60 seconds) + 300 potency (Enkindle, 5y cone) = 520 potency in attacks

Its a no brainer as to why Ifrit sits the bench. Titan is a tank... so not usable unless the actual Tank goes down or DCs.

ANY NEW PET a summoner gets...

Their last two abilities will need to dish out at least 800 potency in attacks in 60 seconds... or they will be sitting the bench too.

As to thinking SMN is a support class... errm no... you need to pick SCH for that. So I think that's the direction you need to go.

At this time, the SMN is an AoE class designed to take out large groups of mobs. Both with DoTs and DDs. With Pets, Spells, and DeathFlares.

EDIT: Think of it like this... the Black Mage is the DPS side while the White Mage is the Support class.... just as the Summoner is the DPS class and the Scholar is the Support class. That is how it plays out, so you're not going to give the BLM the types of abilities you give the WHM... any more than you give the SMN the abilities that belong square with the intents of the SCH.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

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At this point a summoner might as well just be a green... to actually call it a summoner is a joke... I'm not saying to get rid of the dots, or the aoe nuking... I'm saying give us more SUMMONS... by your argument of what they're for you could get rid of pets in general and just give us contagion and enkindle as skills... buffs and debuffs activated when summoning a specific pet would give people a reason to use more than one summon.... the damn class should live up to its damn name

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

At this point a summoner might as well just be a green... to actually call it a summoner is a joke... I'm not saying to get rid of the dots, or the aoe nuking... I'm saying give us more SUMMONS... by your argument of what they're for you could get rid of pets in general and just give us contagion and enkindle as skills... buffs and debuffs activated when summoning a specific pet would give people a reason to use more than one summon.... the damn class should live up to its damn name

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Or...

Maybe... the best bet is to continue along the path Heavensward took us in.. and use the Dreadwyrm Trance for other types of actual FF style summons that aren't actual pets but rather just them using a power...

We are assuming at this point that in Stormblood we'll get more aetherflow stacks, which allows us to do those types of powers.

But as you can see... there is a threshhold all other pets will have to meet... or they'll just be sitting the bench alongside the other unused ones. Ifrit is actually pretty good at lower levels and prefered at lower levels before 40th when Garuda gets contagion. But after that its no contest. Whichever one does the most damage... that's the one that will get used, the other ones will be sitting the bench.

Remember we are a DPS class, not a support class that's the SCH and those types of things step over into his territory.

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Look man, you have to move on at some point... and if they toss us a useless pet, and nothing else, it will be like locking the SMN class at level 60 while all the rest of the Jobs move to level 70. Then they really WILL create a class balance issue where there was none before...
As to where now they finally did fix the SMN in Heavensward to where it is competetive with other jobs AND has a specialty roll of AoE DPS class as a strongpoint.

This is an tab target mmo, so aesthetics are the only determinor reason if i play a job/class or not

I usually distance myself from casters since im not into magic spells. I love melee dps and WAR. Close combat for the win

About smn summon thing, i think yoshi mention it way back, they said summoner in this game is more like pet based summon where they help you in combat, not exactly you cast summon then sit and watch your summon wreck things up.

Lore wise: i Think they mention it in smn class quest that they still cant reach enough power to summon their full potential wachamacallit so smn can only summon their 1/4 of their full power or it will be a huge life risk for the caster itself.

Reality wise: yoshi mention that if smn summon is as full 1:1 proportion like when we fought them, it would look ugly because the whole town and everywhere we will see shiva ifrit titan all jam packed blocking everyone view, thus the "pokemon" version... And japan like pokemon so...

I don't really get turned off from any classes due to their aesthetics, but there are classes that I'm more interested to play because of their aesthetics.

For example, I picked Dragoon at first because I thought it looked the coolest out of all DPS classes. Then I went Paladin, because aside from needing a tank class, I just think the sword-and-board combat style fits a tank the best. I'm also planning to go for a White Mage when I pick a healing class, because I enjoy the generic straight healing archetype.

Iam still waiting the day we can glamour different class armor, i want my brd clad in paladin armor =/

All armor in game this use similar design and texture so i dont see why we cant

And i dont think people will get confused since the weapon we use is dead give away for which class is which

BRD and SMN for me.
Aside from a handful of abilities like Deathflare they just feel so... weak? Like most of their animations are on-par with melee classes's auto attacks and they don't have BLM's huge 'splosions to compensate (speaking of BLM, while I don't have a problem with it due to its aesthetic, i do really wish Thunder was an actual bolt of lightning similar to how it is in Kingdom Hearts as opposed to just a ball of electricity)

I should play BRD more often simply because of the Amon glamour I have on it.