[DEV REQUEST] Please make the Hellhound Obtainable By More than Just the Top 100 PVP

As usual people feel entitled to something.

There should be things that only top 100 can get. Rather it be gear, mount, or minion. Sorry, but you can't have everything you want in this game unless you put the effort towards it. I don't PvP, I don't feel entitled to the mount at all.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

As usual people feel entitled to something.

There should be things that only top 100 can get. Rather it be gear, mount, or minion. Sorry, but you can't have everything you want in this game unless you put the effort towards it. I don't PvP, I don't feel entitled to the mount at all.

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You're glossing over the actual complaint. People could put in the effort, yet still fall short on the basis you're actually encouraged to stop queuing for PvP once you rank high enough because there is no rank depreciation. Furthermore, exclusivity is a terrible way of incentivizing people into PvP. Like it or not, FFXIV needs to incentivize more people as PvP is basically on life support at the moment. You aren't going to do that by rewarding only the top 100 players on the whole datacenter. Call it selfish all you fancy, but they just won't do it. Look no further than Alexander. Gordias practically destroyed the raid community and Midas only made things worse. The creator, meanwhile, incentivized people to try because it was far more lenient, and thus, inviting. Right now, PvP has a high barrier for entry and nothing to encourage people who aren't naturally inclined to PvP.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Irrelevant, as there's gonna be rank 100 PvPers who will do same.

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It actually is relevant. If you know most people who whine won't use it anyway then what's the point? You then see they whine because it hurts their fee fees about not being good enough.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Newsflash: There's been suggestions that'd still keep the amount of effort intact, without making the mount a joke to obtain. There are ways to make it obtainable outside being in the rank 100, without everyone having it.

In fact, if you look at the top 10 rarest mounts, it has the Aerodynamics System at #2 (100 wins in the Fields of Glory), the Gloria-class Airship at #4 (200 wins in The Feast), the Serpent Warsteed at #5, Storm Warsteed at #8, Flame Warsteed at #9 (100 Frontline wins in their respective Grand Companies), with the Logistics System (original ADS mount, 200 Frontline wins) only barely falling outside the top 10 (rank #11), but it'll likely regain its spot once A12S can be overgeared.

That's almost all the PvP mounts in the top 10, and none of them are time exclusive. You'll probably just ignore this though, since everyone obviously has those mounts!

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That actually brings up a interesting point. If these whiners still don't care enough to get the mount when it is that easy to get then why are they whining? Oh ya, there's the idea that you actually have to have skill in order to get it. It is one thing for a person to get a certain number of wins, it is completely another to actually be THE BEST at a certain game mode. Biggest reason why people are so triggered. It hurts the fees really hard.

And you say they aren't time exclusive, I beg to differ, even the worst players will win a game. Even a player with a 1% win rate can eventually get those mounts. So you are just flat out wrong.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

I understand that mentioning WoW is like mentioning the plague, but I'll use it as an example anyway. The most recent WoW expansion moved away from the unarmored/armored mounts for PvE/PvP (respectively), and there were a lot of complaints about it. They changed it back to unarmored/armored mounts and both sides were happy about it.

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You didn't seem to read my post where I said people were actually complaining about the minion being both party and solo ranked Feast. THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT HAVING TO DO BOTH due to the shear fact that the minions WILL BE DIFFERENT. You certainly can't be a completionist for minions or mounts if they are different correct? You are literally just pointing out the culture difference between WoW players and ffxiv players. WoW players actually respect skill. So far FFXIV players seem to be allergic to the idea of giving special things to skilled players.

Who said the rewards are incentive to get people to pvp? If they wanted to incentivize people in the first place they never would have made the rewards exclusive. They already had grindy pvp achievements and gear that people could have gotten before, it's not like they were confused as to how to do it.

The fact is, they made it exclusive on purpose. It's SUPPOSED to be prestigious, it's supposed to be a hard earned reward. The goal isn't to get more people to play, the goal is to reward the people who put in the time and effort. Otherwise they would have added another ADS/Gloria ship achievement for people to farm and earn regardless of winrate.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You're glossing over the actual complaint. People could put in the effort, yet still fall short on the basis you're actually encouraged to stop queuing for PvP once you rank high enough because there is no rank depreciation.

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Yes you fall short by not playing anymore and therefore not trying. Maybe you should reword this so it doesn't contradict itself in the same sentence c;

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Furthermore, exclusivity is a terrible way of incentivizing people into PvP. Like it or not, FFXIV needs to incentivize more people as PvP is basically on life support at the moment. You aren't going to do that by rewarding only the top 100 players on the whole datacenter.

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I'm not gonna lie I think normal tier rewards are pretty bad and should be improved. But arguing that top 100 shouldn't get anything special is just downright sad and makes you look bitter.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Call it selfish all you fancy, but they just won't do it. Look no further than Alexander. Gordias practically destroyed the raid community and Midas only made things worse. The creator, meanwhile, incentivized people to try because it was far more lenient, and thus, inviting. Right now, PvP has a high barrier for entry and nothing to encourage people who aren't naturally inclined to PvP.

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Ok, if they won't do it they won't get it right? That is pretty much how any game works. Saying that 'they just won't do it' doesn't mean anything haha. What a dumb thing to say.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You're glossing over the actual complaint. People could put in the effort, yet still fall short on the basis you're actually encouraged to stop queuing for PvP once you rank high enough because there is no rank depreciation. Furthermore, exclusivity is a terrible way of incentivizing people into PvP. Like it or not, FFXIV needs to incentivize more people as PvP is basically on life support at the moment. You aren't going to do that by rewarding only the top 100 players on the whole datacenter. Call it selfish all you fancy, but they just won't do it. Look no further than Alexander. Gordias practically destroyed the raid community and Midas only made things worse. The creator, meanwhile, incentivized people to try because it was far more lenient, and thus, inviting. Right now, PvP has a high barrier for entry and nothing to encourage people who aren't naturally inclined to PvP.

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If it something that could actually give you an advantage over someone in the game you could have a point. It is only a mount however. It is glamour. Something fancy to stare at. It doesn't make harder content all the sudden easy. Maybe of saying you want the same exact mount that PvP'ers earned, maybe you should ask for a similar mount like how there is the 1.0 Goobue and the Sylph quest Goobue. Clearly distinguishable between the two.

Also, there isn't much you can do regards PvP. If you don't go in the mindset that you are fighting another player and not an NPC, then be prepared to be disappointed. Its easy enough to make PvE content easier. PvP you are left to your own abilities. SE can adjust rules but you are still left up to whoever you fight against. If you put the effort to be the top 100, you deserve that mount. If you can't get it due you not putting the effort or lack the skill the get to the top, then well, sorry.

Don't know why I say this anyways. SE always caves and gives the entitled snowflakes what they want anyways. If I see someone wearing the fancy PvP coat or riding that mount, all I will think to myself is that he did a good job and deserves to be wearing it around. I don't PvP so I feel no sense of entitlement to get my own. Like I said, doesn't matter, complain enough and they will give you one. Sad truth.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Yes you fall short by not playing anymore and therefore not trying. Maybe you should reword this so it doesn't contradict itself in the same sentence c;

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That isn't a contradiction. People already ranked have literally no incentivize to keep playing if they want the Hellhound. This influences queues, thus making it incredibly difficult just to play enough matches. There's a reason virtually every competitive PvP game has some form of rank depreciation. It prevents people from sitting on their title after the first week.

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I'm not gonna lie I think normal tier rewards are pretty bad and should be improved. But arguing that top 100 shouldn't get anything special is just downright sad and makes you look bitter.

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It's called having a differing opinion. If I cared enough about the Hellhound, I would be playing PvP. Overwatch lacks any exclusive rewards besides promotional stuff and it's currently among the most popular PvP games in the world.

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Ok, if they won't do it they won't get it right? That is pretty much how any game works. Saying that 'they just won't do it' doesn't mean anything haha. What a dumb thing to say.

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Only when you strip the context and don't actually read what I wrote. The whole point of this reward is to incentivize PvP. If it fails to accomplish that objective, then the devs have to come up with a better alternative. If the devs only wanted to reward current PvPers, they wouldn't be constantly trying new ways to entice people to PvP. They aren't because there isn't any incentivize for them.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

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See above.

You missed the point entirely. The devs are attempting to incentivize people who aren't inclined to PvP to give it a whirl. You do not accomplish this with exclusive content. It will not work, hence why games like Overwatch or virtually any FPS make the rewards difficult to obtain but always obtainable. Call it entitlement all you fancy, if the end result is dead content, you've essentially wasted your time developing it. Right now PvP in FFXIV is on life support. No one does it save the initial few weeks of a new map release. If the intent is to change that, you have to address why people aren't interested.

Bringing up Legacy rewards is little more than a strawman. They aren't designed to incentivize content. Mounts and minions in PvP are put there in the hopes more people will participate.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

It actually is relevant. If you know most people who whine won't use it anyway then what's the point? You then see they whine because it hurts their fee fees about not being good enough.

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It's irrelevant because there's both whining players and players who earned the mount who will barely use it, and go back to their default most-used mount.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

That actually brings up a interesting point. If these whiners still don't care enough to get the mount when it is that easy to get then why are they whining? Oh ya, there's the idea that you actually have to have skill in order to get it. It is one thing for a person to get a certain number of wins, it is completely another to actually be THE BEST at a certain game mode. Biggest reason why people are so triggered. It hurts the fees really hard.

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Yea man, totally has to do with those unskilled plebs who can't get wins, not because of the 30-60 min queue times. The GC change in 3.5 will probably add more to PvP participation than the Hellhound ever will.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

And you say they aren't time exclusive, I beg to differ, even the worst players will win a game. Even a player with a 1% win rate can eventually get those mounts. So you are just flat out wrong.

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Re-read my post, I said the mounts I listed weren't time exclusive, which is correct. 3 years from now, I'll still be able to get the original ADS mount (if I manage to get into enough winning frontlines games). On the other hand, the Hellhound will only be around for two seasons (hence, time exclusive).

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Originally Posted by Aviars

WoW players actually respect skill. So far FFXIV players seem to be allergic to the idea of giving special things to skilled players.

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Lmao, you clearly never played WoW.

I'll throw in another easy suggestion anyway. Reaching gold rating at the end of a PvP season could reward a token, that can be turned in for a mount of the player's choosing (future proof, since there's only 1 mount now, there'll likely be more later on). Rating decay happens every week, making it so players have to keep their rating up throughout the season. Incentive for players to be skilled without it being tied to a top 100. Will probably lower the PvP queues too, so more PvP matches for you to do.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

See above.

You missed the point entirely. The devs are attempting to incentivize people who aren't inclined to PvP to give it a whirl. You do not accomplish this with exclusive content. It will not work, hence why games like Overwatch or virtually any FPS make the rewards difficult to obtain but always obtainable. Call it entitlement all you fancy, if the end result is dead content, you've essentially wasted your time developing it. Right now PvP in FFXIV is on life support. No one does it save the initial few weeks of a new map release. If the intent is to change that, you have to address why people aren't interested.

Bringing up Legacy rewards is little more than a strawman. They aren't designed to incentivize content. Mounts and minions in PvP are put there in the hopes more people will participate.

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I didn't miss the point. You just won't accept my answer to it. The Cerberus in concept is not to give incentive to people who may be interested in PvP. It is for the dedicated PvP player who likes a trophy as a representation like how athletes like trophies to represent their winning of a game. This was not made for PvE players. This was not made for casual PvP players. This is for the best of the best of the people who put a strong emphasis on PvP and put a lot of time into being the top at it. The coat and Cerberus are their trophies. They earned it, they have the right to show it off. It is their clear representation of their achievement.

Legacy rewards isn't a strawman argument. Lets be honest here, the argument truly is here that people want this Cerberus mount without having to be top 100 PvP or even really PvP in general if we want to stretch this a bit further. If they added a normal Cerberus mount you could get via PvE and then a Cerberus mount that had a collar that said "PvP" on it from being top 100, no one would care about the PvP mount. This topic would not of even been made. People complained that only 1.0 players got to have a goobue mount. They gave a slightly different one through Sylph dailies and the complaints were basically gone. Before you go "Well 2.0 players had no opportunity to get the goobue mount.", I still call people out on that. It was a gift for people who stuck around the game in it's worst of times and new players coming in demanding to have it was a middle finger to those who stuck around in 1.0. Compromise was found in giving a goobue with a slightly different look.

Overall point is there are some things people should not be allowed to have unless they put the effort, time, and skill to get it. If you feel entitled to something because people in the past got it under a certain circumstance, well, too bad for you. You want to play the equal opportunity argument. Everyone does have equal opportunity. It is your own schedule, skill, and what you decide to do in the game that decides if you can get the item or not. You are not sinking time into PvP and building up your skills to be the top 100? Ohh still want the Cerberus mount? Well sorry, you can't have it. Not skilled enough to get top 100? Well I am not good at basketball, but i'm not demanding a trophy for being a good sport.

Sorry if I sound off, its late.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

The Cerberus in concept is not to give incentive to people who may be interested in PvP.

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Yeah, right. That's why they ripped the Hellhound (proper name, not the Cerberus) straight out of PvE content, something that PvE players have been seen in countless of Void Ark runs. Something that PvE players have even been requesting as a mount in the game.
If they wanted something purely for PvPers, they'd have designed something new, something completely tied to The Feast.

As a sidenote, it'll be hilarious if the silhouette ends up being a placeholder and the actual mount ends up being completely different.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Yeah, right. That's why they ripped the Hellhound (proper name, not the Cerberus) straight out of PvE content, something that PvE players have been seen in countless of Void Ark runs. Something that PvE players have even been requesting as a mount in the game.
If they wanted something purely for PvPers, they'd have designed something new, something completely tied to The Feast.

As a sidenote, it'll be hilarious if the silhouette ends up being a placeholder and the actual mount ends up being completely different.

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I'm sorry, your excuse is...."I saw it in PvE content, which means its for me!"..? Now this is just getting petty.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I didn't miss the point. You just won't accept my answer to it. The Cerberus in concept is not to give incentive to people who may be interested in PvP. It is for the dedicated PvP player who likes a trophy as a representation like how athletes like trophies to represent their winning of a game. This was not made for PvE players. This was not made for casual PvP players. This is for the best of the best of the people who put a strong emphasis on PvP and put a lot of time into being the top at it. The coat and Cerberus are their trophies. They earned it, they have the right to show it off. It is their clear representation of their achievement.

Legacy rewards isn't a strawman argument. Lets be honest here, the argument truly is here that people want this Cerberus mount without having to be top 100 PvP or even really PvP in general if we want to stretch this a bit further. If they added a normal Cerberus mount you could get via PvE and then a Cerberus mount that had a collar that said "PvP" on it from being top 100, no one would care about the PvP mount. This topic would not of even been made. People complained that only 1.0 players got to have a goobue mount. They gave a slightly different one through Sylph dailies and the complaints were basically gone. Before you go "Well 2.0 players had no opportunity to get the goobue mount.", I still call people out on that. It was a gift for people who stuck around the game in it's worst of times and new players coming in demanding to have it was a middle finger to those who stuck around in 1.0. Compromise was found in giving a goobue with a slightly different look.

Overall point is there are some things people should not be allowed to have unless they put the effort, time, and skill to get it. If you feel entitled to something because people in the past got it under a certain circumstance, well, too bad for you. You want to play the equal opportunity argument. Everyone does have equal opportunity. It is your own schedule, skill, and what you decide to do in the game that decides if you can get the item or not. You are not sinking time into PvP and building up your skills to be the top 100? Ohh still want the Cerberus mount? Well sorry, you can't have it. Not skilled enough to get top 100? Well I am not good at basketball, but i'm not demanding a trophy for being a good sport.

Sorry if I sound off, its late.

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I disagree. They have included mounts and minions on all new PvP modes or maps knowing full well people fancy collecting them. The devs have also flat out acknowledged they want to incentivize PvP more. It's hardly a coincidence a popular mount was gated behind PvP. That has always been their go to solution for hopeful encouragement. Frankly, I am against exclusive content on a whole. Make it difficult to obtain absolutely, but I prefer rewards that are always obtainable.

Yes, it was. You're comparing two different scenario-- one I never argued. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Hellhound required say, one million Wolf Marks ala Fenrir. While some may just want easy access, plenty of argued similar points. There wasn't nearly the same backlash over the minions gated behind LoV or the AIDS mounts in Frontlines. People complaining is irrelevant because that isn't what has been argued here, for the most part. Most of debated is on the basis this were intended to be an incentive to increase PvP activity-- something the devs have been struggling to accomplish for years.

And therein lies the rub. The reward isn't necessarily skill oriented. It rewards whomever comes first and sits on their rank. That isn't equal opportunity. A person of equal or superior skill would struggle to rank on the basis of slow queues because people are sitting. If your only goal is the Hellhound, you have literally no reason to queue. Conversely, games like Overwatch prevent this by strictly making competition the only way to progress. Everything is obtainable from the onset. It may take you longer should you lack experience, but you need only play to obtain them eventually. That incentivizes people. Back when I played competitive PvP games frequently, if I stopped playing for a couple days, I would lose a rank or two because I wasn't actively participating. Thus, I am encouraged to play enough to keep my rank. FFXIV doesn't do that, hence one of the reasons queue times are so slow.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I'm sorry, your excuse is...."I saw it in PvE content, which means its for me!"..? Now this is just getting petty.

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It's not even my excuse, or an excuse in general. It's a fact that it was a mob in PvE content, and that it was requested by PvE players to be added to the game as a mount (with the obvious intention of it being obtainable in PvE)
SE saw this, and turned it into a PvP reward as an incentive for PvE players to get into and compete in the Feast, since the queue times aren't all that great. How is this difficult to understand?

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

It's not even my excuse, or an excuse in general. It's a fact that it was a mob in PvE content, and that it was requested by PvE players to be added to the game as a mount (with the obvious intention of it being obtainable in PvE)
SE saw this, and turned it into a PvP reward as an incentive for PvE players to get into and compete in the Feast, since the queue times aren't all that great. How is this difficult to understand?

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can you show us the massive request for it?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

And therein lies the rub. The reward isn't necessarily skill oriented. It rewards whomever comes first and sits on their rank. That isn't equal opportunity. A person of equal or superior skill would struggle to rank on the basis of slow queues because people are sitting. If your only goal is the Hellhound, you have literally no reason to queue. Conversely, games like Overwatch prevent this by strictly making competition the only way to progress. Everything is obtainable from the onset. It may take you longer should you lack experience, but you need only play to obtain them eventually. That incentivizes people. Back when I played competitive PvP games frequently, if I stopped playing for a couple days, I would lose a rank or two because I wasn't actively participating. Thus, I am encouraged to play enough to keep my rank. FFXIV doesn't do that, hence one of the reasons queue times are so slow.

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So tired of people bringing up how people just sit on their rank, so queues die, thus no one else can apparently reach top 100. Newsflash, players that are good that are joining the season late are and have been making it into the top 100 despite these supposed long queues. People have run alts late into the season and getting them into the Top 100. Stop belittling the players whom actually play PvP and fought their way to the top 100. Top 100 is still reachable even now. Blaming the queue times is a sorry excuse and has been proven time and again that even late into the season, it is possible to attain top 100, if you're "Good". The sooner the players that think they are better than they are accept the fact that they are just not good enough to be top 100, the sooner this bs excuse of long queues can die.

It's much easier to climb now, then it was in the beginning of the season where you would constantly fight the veteran players, now you can't even face them until you are Gold. Even then, if you get into the same match as them, you'd more likely than not be paired with them to increase your odds of winning.

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

can you show us the massive request for it?

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This bolded word in your post, it hasn't appeared in mine. Can you show a PvP thread that requested the hellhound as a reward?

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

So tired of people bringing up how people just sit on their rank

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Yea, must be pretty tiring to hear the truth. So you'd be against a rating decay system, then?

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

This bolded word in your post, it hasn't appeared in mine. Can you show a PvP thread that requested the hellhound as a reward?

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wow so someone make a 1-2 page thread about it on the forums eh?


very good argument, mot an excuse at all, keep going with teh truth and so on

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

wow so someone make a thread about it on the forums eh?

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I thought that was how requests worked.

Teach me, Grandmaster of Requests. Should they be phoned in instead? Maybe faxed? Perhaps a letter by carrier pigeon?

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Yea, must be pretty tiring to hear the truth. So you'd be against a rating decay system, then?

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Please don't tell me you believe in that sorry excuse? lol

The partial quoting and the assumption lmao. I'm not against rating decay, no one is. smh

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

It's irrelevant because there's both whining players and players who earned the mount who will barely use it, and go back to their default most-used mount.

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I have a feeling people who EARN the mount have more of a reason to use it over previous mounts ;3

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Yea man, totally has to do with those unskilled plebs who can't get wins, not because of the 30-60 min queue times. The GC change in 3.5 will probably add more to PvP participation than the Hellhound ever will.

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Yep, now I know you don't feast at all. Cause there are no hour long ques unless you play at like 4 am. That's a nice way to undermine your argument.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Re-read my post, I said the mounts I listed weren't time exclusive, which is correct. 3 years from now, I'll still be able to get the original ADS mount (if I manage to get into enough winning frontlines games). On the other hand, the Hellhound will only be around for two seasons (hence, time exclusive).

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That wasn't the main point of your post, nice try ;3

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Lmao, you clearly never played WoW.

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I have played WoW for over 8 years. You shouldn't try and say anything that can quite easily be false, especially since you know nothing about me haha.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

I'll throw in another easy suggestion anyway. Reaching gold rating at the end of a PvP season could reward a token, that can be turned in for a mount of the player's choosing (future proof, since there's only 1 mount now, there'll likely be more later on). Rating decay happens every week, making it so players have to keep their rating up throughout the season. Incentive for players to be skilled without it being tied to a top 100. Will probably lower the PvP queues too, so more PvP matches for you to do.

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They could do a lot of things. But it's obvious your are just fishing for ways to make everything exceedingly easy to get.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

I have a feeling people who EARN the mount have more of a reason to use it over previous mounts ;3

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If they like the looks of it, if they were completely aiming for it. If it's neither, they'll eventually go back to their favorite mount ;3

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Yep, now I know you don't feast at all. Cause there are no hour long ques unless you play at like 4 am. That's a nice way to undermine your argument.

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I said 30 to 60 minutes, not just 60 minutes, nice try ;3

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Originally Posted by Aviars

That wasn't the main point of your post, nice try ;3

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Time-exclusiveness is one of the main complaints, but I wouldn't expect you to know that ;3

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Originally Posted by Aviars

I have played WoW for over 8 years. You shouldn't try and say anything that can quite easily be false, especially since you know nothing about me haha.

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Then you must have some weird view of the WoW community.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

They could do a lot of things. But it's obvious your are just fishing for ways to make everything exceedingly easy to get.

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The easy part in that quote was to indicate that it was something easily thought up, not that the suggested way itself was exceedingly easy. Sorry to get you confused on that choice of words.

Would it be ok if current hellhound is made avaible for everyone and PvP one gets changed to armored hellhound? that way everyone gets same model while PvP still retains some unique look.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Request

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Do you mind showing us a vid/pic of you waiting 30-60m during prime time?

Also, can you show us the amount of games you played this season, just for a tad of validation. Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Do you mind showing us a vid/pic of you waiting 30-60m during prime time?

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Moving Goalposts: The Post.

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Also, can you show us the amount of games you played this season, just for a tad of validation. Thanks in advance.

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Sorry, I didn't see this warning when I started posting in this thread: "You must have done x Feast battles for your opinion to be valid."

So you complain about queue times because you queue (if you even do) at odd times. Rich lmao. good joke. Do you queue at prime time, do you queue at all?

I'm referring to you believing that people sitting on their rank is the reason why people can't get top 100. Although, if you don't even play PvP, do you honestly believe your statements regarding queue times and ranking to be valid?

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

So you complain about queue times because you queue (if you even do) at odd times. Rich lmao. good joke. Do you queue at prime time, do you queue at all?

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I'm agreeing with the claim that queue times can be an issue, as has been said before in this thread, as well as other threads concerning the Feast. I usually just stick to suggestions on how to improve the reward system, and a better incentive for PvErs to get into PvP. And technically, prime time for me would be nowhere near prime time for NA time zones.

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

I'm referring to you believing that people sitting on their rank is the reason why people can't get top 100.

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The main reason? Probably not. One of the reasons? Very likely. Hence my suggestion of a rating decay system.

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Although, if you don't even play PvP, do you honestly believe your statements regarding queue times and ranking to be valid?

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Shouldn't you be asking this to Bourne_Endeavor? They were the one posting about queue times and ranking, I'm agreeing with them (and in turn, disagreeing with you).

I wish half of the people here would just PvP so we wouldn't have to have threads like these or issues with queue times.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Shouldn't you be asking this to Bourne_Endeavor? They were the one posting about queue times and ranking, I'm agreeing with them (and in turn, disagreeing with you).

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Alright, so basically you have zero credibility in that regard.

Good talk.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Yeah, right. That's why they ripped the Hellhound (proper name, not the Cerberus) straight out of PvE content, something that PvE players have been seen in countless of Void Ark runs. Something that PvE players have even been requesting as a mount in the game.
If they wanted something purely for PvPers, they'd have designed something new, something completely tied to The Feast.

As a sidenote, it'll be hilarious if the silhouette ends up being a placeholder and the actual mount ends up being completely different.

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If they wanted wanted it to be an incentive, they wouldn't have made it exclusive in the first place. Note how the top 10 minion was changed not because it was exclusive, but because it was a certain TYPE of reward that wasn't really "pvp reward" material. Note how top 10 players STILL get exclusive items, and note how the Hellhound mount is STILL exclusive to the top 100.

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Originally Posted by Praesul

If they wanted wanted it to be an incentive, they wouldn't have made it exclusive in the first place. Note how the top 10 minion was changed not because it was exclusive, but because it was a certain TYPE of reward that wasn't really "pvp reward" material. Not how top 10 players STILL get exclusive items, and note how the Hellhound mount is STILL exclusive to the top 100.

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Needed to correct that before the kid nitpicks.

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Alright, so basically you have zero credibility in that regard.

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Are you saying I can't agree with a common issue?

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Good talk.

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You know it, killed some time waiting for a game to patch during this pointless back and forth!

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Yeah, right. That's why they ripped the Hellhound (proper name, not the Cerberus) straight out of PvE content, something that PvE players have been seen in countless of Void Ark runs. Something that PvE players have even been requesting as a mount in the game.
If they wanted something purely for PvPers, they'd have designed something new, something completely tied to The Feast.

As a sidenote, it'll be hilarious if the silhouette ends up being a placeholder and the actual mount ends up being completely different.

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So why are there no threads complaining about how the ADS is in a PvE instance yet it's exclusively a mount reward from pvp?

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Are you saying I can't agree with a common issue?

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I'm saying exactly what I said, you have zero credibility in that regard.

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Originally Posted by lovelikewinter

So why are there no threads complaining about how the ADS is in a PvE instance yet it's exclusively a mount reward from pvp?

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You'd have to do a lot digging, but I'm sure there were complaints about it. I can let the ADS slide though, not only because it's not a time-exclusive mount, but because all of the frontlines deal with the three Grand Companies fighting over Allagan technology. It makes sense for them to have found Allagan orbs and ending up using them as transportation.

What'd be the story behind a hellhound? A drunk thaumaturge accidentally summoned one in the Wolves' Den, and the guys running the place instantly thought "Yup, let's use that as reward!" Before yelling at the thaumaturge to summon more. Unfortunately, the thaumaturge was also a Lalafell, and the 130th hellhound had an appetite for said race.

But for real, we only know the silhouette. Perhaps the actual mount is slightly remodeled and isn't the exact hellhound. In which case, Yoshi-P and friends are probably laughing their asses off at these threads.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

In which case, Yoshi-P and friends are probably laughing their asses off at these threads.

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Probably not for the reasons you're suggesting. The mount/minion shift in rewards was definitely meant to attract more people to The Feast, and it has. I'm sure what they didn't expect (though they should have) is that an even larger group of people would, in fact, not even go to unlock the PvP mode to give it a try, but instead head over to the forums and spend hours whining about how they want the rewards without working for it. It's pathetic, to say the least. If you want something, you should strive for it, not whine about it until someone caves in and gets it for you.

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Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan

Probably not for the reasons you're suggesting. The mount/minion shift in rewards was definitely meant to attract more people to The Feast, and it has. I'm sure what they didn't expect (though they should have) is that an even larger group of people would, in fact, not even go to unlock the PvP mode to give it a try, but instead head over to the forums and spend hours whining about how they want the rewards without working for it. It's pathetic, to say the least. If you want something, you should strive for it, not whine about it until someone caves in and gets it for you.

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Unfortunately that's not how game communities work anymore these days.
It's all about easy access, no effort and preferably handed out yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

You'd have to do a lot digging, but I'm sure there were complaints about it. I can let the ADS slide though, not only because it's not a time-exclusive mount, but because all of the frontlines deal with the three Grand Companies fighting over Allagan technology. It makes sense for them to have found Allagan orbs and ending up using them as transportation.

What'd be the story behind a hellhound? A drunk thaumaturge accidentally summoned one in the Wolves' Den, and the guys running the place instantly thought "Yup, let's use that as reward!" Before yelling at the thaumaturge to summon more. Unfortunately, the thaumaturge was also a Lalafell, and the 130th hellhound had an appetite for said race.

But for real, we only know the silhouette. Perhaps the actual mount is slightly remodeled and isn't the exact hellhound. In which case, Yoshi-P and friends are probably laughing their asses off at these threads.

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So now you're using the "but muh lore" excuse? lol. Also, you're the one with an issue here, why would I be bothered to go look for a thread regarding the ADS mount?

I personally think the mount's going to be the red fenrir they previewed but hasn't been officially released yet.
Neither Fenrir nor the hell hound seem too far off of the wolf theme that nearly everything has in relation to the Feast (titles, fenrir pup minion, gear, WOLVES' DEN PIER), so complaining about how it doesn't fit in with the lore just kinda seems like a last ditch effort from you.

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Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan

It's pathetic, to say the least. If you want something, you should strive for it, not whine about it until someone caves in and gets it for you.

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Definitely is. I worked my *** off ranking up, and got to Platinum yesterday. Hopefully that's enough to stay in the top for the rest of the season (prob will go and play some more, but from what I'm hearing from others its just getting harder and harder for Golds to rank up [except those god-tier healers >.>], so I'm hopeful that those in the top 60 are there to stay)

You can't get all the mounts anyway since there are some locked-out from 1.x. So one more that's locked shouldn't be some major issue for "completionists" (who aren't really anyway, since they'd actually try to do the work to get things done rather than go the easy way). Have the same hate for those who buy raid clears and then brag about having the gear and items; you didn't earn them, everyone knows you bought them, no one's impressed that you're lazy and can't do anything.

I'm not gonna lie, I'd LOVE to have an alternative method of getting a version of the Hellhound mount someway, either by achievement (ie win x number of ranked matches as we already have the mount for generic wins) and in no way am I against having unique status rewards for high rankers in the feast but my issue lies two things:

1. length of the feast season: holy shit why is it like 3-5 months per season? someone educate me because I'm not most learned. And only 1 season to get the mount? talk about shit odds.
2. the amount of the same names in the top 100 per season essentially dropping the list of top 100 players to probably top 75 players for the general public, aka us who really want the mount and now have incentive to play.

The 25% repeat names is just a number I threw out there by looking at the to 10 players in 3 seasons so far on all the data centres and the amount of repeated names in the top 10 across 3 seasons. i will also put it out there that third seasons seeing less repeats but also returns of names who played first season, quit second and came back for third season. Most data centres had 3-4 names per top 10 that would come up at least 2/3 seasons in many cases it is completely clear who one or two people dominate feast.

So the debate seems to be this: rewards being so exclusive yet SO DESIRED and only 1 instance, to get it. Make it so that you have more than 1 season giving the same rewards:| like, 2 seasons per reward and make them shorter... 2 months each. If your goal is to incentivize more people to play then just have MORE OPPORTUNITY. If you gear the rewards to become PURELY exclusive it doesnt make the general population want to play, it makes the people who are top ranked want to play because that realistically who's going to get the mount. This way it still is exclusive, EVERYONE that has the mount got top 100.

Right now it looks like we only get 1 shot in a 1/4 to 1/2 year time period to make it into one of those 75 maybe 80 slots to get the mount. no matter HOW MOTIVATED WE ARE, the general public aint got that kinda time nor attention span. The current system of rewards doesn't attract new players as much as it keeps the top 100 now, in the top 100 forever unless they choose to retire.

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Originally Posted by lovelikewinter

So now you're using the "but muh lore" excuse? lol. Also, you're the one with an issue here, why would I be bothered to go look for a thread regarding the ADS mount?

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I was being half serious, since XIV can have rewards that can make sense in lore, but I forgot about the "no fun allowed" sign when entering these forums.

Besides, you were the one asking if there were complaints about it. I'm 99% sure there were, if you'd dig through the forums.

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Originally Posted by lovelikewinter

I personally think the mount's going to be the red fenrir they previewed but hasn't been officially released yet.
Neither Fenrir nor the hell hound seem too far off of the wolf theme that nearly everything has in relation to the Feast (titles, fenrir pup minion, gear, WOLVES' DEN PIER), so complaining about how it doesn't fit in with the lore just kinda seems like a last ditch effort from you.

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I suppose the red fenrir could make sense, since it'd be possible to capture a wild hoarhound (think that was the name of the species that fenrir is a part of). Hellhound wouldn't make that much sense though, since they're unlikely to be natural to Eorzea, and have to be summoned from the vo