Main Scenario Restriction Bloodstorm - Very Very Bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

I know. My abundance of ? is from WHY. It is the first sense of minor difficulty a player gets in this game- something which is sorely lacking.

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While it may be the first real difficult dungeon it is also the dungeon that many new players get stuck on. I queued in for mentor roulette and the moment I got in the healer left. The 2 new players said they have been trying to complete the dungeon over 5 times now and said ppl just leave before giving it a chance.

I don't think leveling dungeons should have a great difficulty. I think the dungeons we are running for latest script should

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The new content is almost certainly going to be 60+. Assuming you don't need to buy HW your still going to have to get lvl'ed to the point to do it. I seriously doubt they are going to create sufficient content for a player to get to 60 in the new zones since all that would be wasted on people who have already levelled.

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They do actually have a way to get around needing it to be starting at 60. The Vanu Vanu and Vath quests scale to you 50-60. They can simply arrange it so the first new zone is all scaled quests from 50 to whatever level the intent is to have for the next.

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Originally Posted by Daranion

It's a single player final fantasy game with multiplayer tacked on.

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It's really funny to me that there is someone out there who thinks this.

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Originally Posted by Derio

I don't think leveling dungeons should have a great difficulty. I think the dungeons we are running for latest script should

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It was this kind of thought process that put our community in a very Raider vs Casual mentality, because there was no difficulty curve. It was easy easy easy easy HARD. A lot of players couldn't fathom the raid fights. You need to have a better curve than a steep slope of script dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Derio

They should just do a giant cutscene that sums up everything. But that cost production too and if you want it voice acted or not

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It's cheaper then you think, considering all the voice assets and CG work is already in the game. It will take some time and effort to cobble together all the cinematics and cutscenes together, but it's not undoable.

The alternative is to create an introductory scenario that creates a character at level 30, 50, or 60 and then puts you at the start of the new content. You of course would not be the warrior of light (yet), but that seems more feasible considering SE already suggested they were doing branching story/dialogue depending on what class/job you are.

The problem is what happens when you throw a new player who hasn't learned any of the other big/difficult fight mechanics into something like an Extreme raid, or perhaps even a difficult dungeon. It could end up creating a community where the new players feel unwelcome, or that the game isn't for them, or even toxic.

I've proposed this before, but I'll say it again.

Make 2.0 and 3.0 mandatory, basically because of the leveling and learning that takes place during it. Make 2.x and 3.x optional: give an option to watch an abridged summary and have the MSQ instances added to DF. HOWEVER, you get no experience, no items/drops, no tomes and no rewards of any kind. This both "catches you up" but puts you behind at the same time, it's a trade-off. OR you can play the instances as intended and get the rewards naturally and catch up to actual endgame "faster". That way those that are just interested in unlocking 4.x content can get to it right away, and those that want to enjoy the content as intended are rewarded for it.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

They shouldn't even give them that. You want to skip everything go search for TL;DRs on reddit or youtube. Lazy players deserve nothing.

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Why is someone who doesn't care about the story lazy? There are people who grind out multiple Anima weapons, clear Savage when it's relevant and have leveled alts just for the purpose of dodging weekly locks yet they skip every single cutscene. None of that denotes someone who is lazy, just someone who cares only for gameplay.

Something to remember, if we do not have a content flux of new players, Square doesn't make as much money. Therefore, they have further incentive to add stuff on the cash shop to make up the difference. Like it or not, those "lazy players" still make up a good portion of people who simply won't play this game if they are forced through hundreds of quests they aren't interested in.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

...and in those same MMO's the bulk of content remains irrelevant.

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And there's things here that are irrelevant that Yoshi kills off fast. What's your point? Majority of my FC won't do anything other than 60/EX daily due to the level sync. If people don't want to do it, they won't.

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people who just want to rush through everything and ignore 99% of the game aren't the target audience. Plus if they find existing content so tedious then it's unlikely that they're going to enjoy the content that exists at the end game either

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Extremely false. There's so many people with largely different play styles. There's crafters here because this game has really good crafting that don't care much about the story. There's raiders here that likes to do the raids and don't care about the story and let's not forget RPers. All of which enjoys the game in their own way. Not everyone plays MMOs solely and only for the story.

It's crazy that the ones saying people should be forced to do MSQs would crap their pants if anyone else (hardcores) tried to force their playstyle on them. Someone skipping MSQs is not hurting you!

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Originally Posted by Derio

If ppl were able to skip do you think the quality of the DF would improve, stay the same, or become worse?

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It would stay the same if we're talking about skipping the MSQs only. People now skip MSQs, they don't teach you anything. Or else half the playerbase wouldn't be so terrible. I know a guy that's done 80% of the quests in this game. Dude doesn't use his job class skills nor cross skills.

If ppl were able to skip do you think the quality of the DF would improve, stay the same, or become worse?

I don't believe new players should be allowed to skip things but maybe the 2.X storyline should be pruned, get rid of all the fluff quests maybe get rid of the requirement of doing the three hard mode primals.
That should be enough along with some exp increases.

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Originally Posted by Derio

If ppl were able to skip do you think the quality of the DF would improve, stay the same, or become worse?

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Initially, it would probably be a cluster fuck because even all of us won't necessarily have a grasp on all the new content added in Stormblood. Within a month or so, however, things will even out. People genuinely interested in the game will ask other players questions or happily take advice if they mess up. Those who don't will eventually move on to the next "hyped" game when they inevitably find groups kicking them or merely get bored. Overall, I doubt we'd notice much of a change, though it could actually improve if people stick around. Keep in mind, new players are far more likely to poke at things like the raid finder since they're not used things as most of us are.

Another reason I support jumping players ahead if they so wish is I don't want to be forced back into old content. It's nice XIV keeps things relevant long past its release, but do you (generalizing) really want to go back and do them all over again? Stuff like Wondrous Tales will continuously be developed because certain instances need to have a consistent flux of players otherwise those new players will be waiting in 40-60 minute queues. Sometimes, you have to let old content die off to focus on current things.

agree with op, a horrible idea..the team are so backwards and confused, its sad.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Why is someone who doesn't care about the story lazy?

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Again, this is not the discussion here. The OP clearly wants anyone to be able to skip ALL content, and go directly to current end-game raids/dungeons. That is super lazy, and has nothing to do with whether someone likes the story or not. They just hate waiting in lines.

Why should the devs just hand over end-game content to someone on day one? Without them having to go through any course of action to unlock anything. You might as well just give someone all jobs level 70, unlock all dungeons/raids from day one, and let them "enjoy the game."

Bonuses could include having a supply of readily available resources to craft high end gear. All gathering/crafting books unlocked. Flying chocobo at level 1. All aetherytes unlocked. No gates anywhere, with ability to wander into areas yet unlocked. I mean, as long as we're getting ridiculous right?

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Originally Posted by Derio

If ppl were able to skip do you think the quality of the DF would improve, stay the same, or become worse?

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Worse. Much worse. WoW is a prime example - quite a few people are completely new to the game, purchase a level boost to reach end game immediately and then have very little clue as to what, exactly, they're meant to be doing.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

They do actually have a way to get around needing it to be starting at 60. The Vanu Vanu and Vath quests scale to you 50-60. They can simply arrange it so the first new zone is all scaled quests from 50 to whatever level the intent is to have for the next.

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What? So one zone takes you from 50 to say 62?

To be honest, many would still need to unlock HW simply to do Job quests.

simple answer? worst idea ever. how they will understand who are the character they meet? new player must'nt look at what they will have later, and focus on all they have instead to only focus on the smallest part of the game.
plus i will be blunt, you are leader of fc and can't help them to do dungeon in unsync? what take like 10 minute at worst for do most dungeon level 50-? seriously? what the point of your fc if you can't help new player to catch up?

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Again, this is not the discussion here. The OP clearly wants anyone to be able to skip ALL content, and go directly to current end-game raids/dungeons. That is super lazy, and has nothing to do with whether someone likes the story or not. They just hate waiting in lines.

Why should the devs just hand over end-game content to someone on day one? Without them having to go through any course of action to unlock anything. You might as well just give someone all jobs level 70, unlock all dungeons/raids from day one, and let them "enjoy the game."

Bonuses could include having a supply of readily available resources to craft high end gear. All gathering/crafting books unlocked. Flying chocobo at level 1. All aetherytes unlocked. No gates anywhere, with ability to wander into areas yet unlocked. I mean, as long as we're getting ridiculous right?

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The OP cited 60, meaning people would still have to level all throughout Stormblood. The only content unlocked is stuff released beforehand. Essentially, the expansion would be like a new game. You aren't handing them everyone on a silver platter, you're allowing them the option to not have 300+ quests gating them from what they actually want to play. To use myself as an example. I've never been particularly interested in WoW. The art design always through me off and MMOs weren't my thing until recently. Now Legion caught my interest. And if I were to actually pick it up, it's Legion I want to play. All the expansions prior? Yeah. I don't really care about them. Maybe I'd go back on a new character and poke around after I'm done exploring Legion, but it's not what caught my interest. If WoW didn't have a level skip option and required me to play through every piece of content they've released. I wouldn't even consider playing it. Why? Because I'm not interested in all their lore. Maybe I want to play with some friends. I also just don't want to dedicate that kind of time to another MMO. Now I do love story, but WoW would be my side game. So I'd largely be playing it for raids, dungeons and etc.

And let's think ahead. Three years from now a third expansion will be released. Are we now going to expect new players to go through three full numbered cycles? It will not happen. Without new players, Square has only further incentive to add cash shop items since they have to make up that sub money somehow. Way I look at it, if someone wants to skip ahead to Stormblood. It doesn't hurt me. They aren't going to have an advantage going into Savage. In fact, it may even be harder for them. That option though is nice to have.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

What? So one zone takes you from 50 to say 62?

To be honest, many would still need to unlock HW simply to do Job quests.

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Yeah, they could do it fairly easily.
As for skills, I'm not too worried there. PotD has shown they can just give us the skills at level, and they're talking about changing up stuff about skills anyway.
I've not leveled all the Jobs just yet so I'm not really sure how many would necessarily need the Heavensward Job stories, but from what I have seen it shouldn't really be that hard to just have the Heavensward and Stormblood stories disconnected.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

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question: FF14 is a game based on it story first, was always and will be always.... how the new player that did jump directly to 60 will understand why they fight? or for who they fight? who are the scion? who are the ascian? what is a primal? who is the empire? and stuff like this.... if they skip all the story quest that explain this? how they will feel involved into stormblood if they know nothing about the world where it happend?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

question: FF14 is a game based on it story first, was always and will be always.... how the new player that did jump directly to 60 will understand why they fight? or for who they fight? who are the scion? who are the ascian? what is a primal? who is the empire? and stuff like this.... if they skip all the story quest that explain this? how they will feel involved into stormblood if they know nothing about the world where it happend?

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One majestically word.

Cinematics.

Then if they want to actually experience everything later, they can make an alt.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

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Yes, the OP cited 60. But look at their other post(s). They mentioned people watching their streams, and wanting to be able to join them in end-game content immediately. This implies skipping even the HW story. They even mentioned side quests being boring. So why not skip those? Where does it end? They'll obviously want to skip 4.0 story as well.

Skipping the story is only one side of it. They in essence want to skip the entirety of the gating process. In other words, they feel entitled to the "end" of the game from day one, though they have done nothing to earn it. They think buying an "expansion" entitles them to all previous content as well.

Three years from now, this system would be abused. You give someone an inch, they will want a mile. And that's not even mentioning RMT. You think they won't pay-to-win?

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

Yeah, they could do it fairly easily.
As for skills, I'm not too worried there. PotD has shown they can just give us the skills at level, and they're talking about changing up stuff about skills anyway.
I've not leveled all the Jobs just yet so I'm not really sure how many would necessarily need the Heavensward Job stories, but from what I have seen it shouldn't really be that hard to just have the Heavensward and Stormblood stories disconnected.

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But they aren't. Heavensward is a continuation of the existing storyline. I'm also not too sure at the idea of removing the role of Job quests as part of Job progression. I also doubt they will ever have a single zone that lets you go up 12 levels in a single zone.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

question: FF14 is a game based on it story first, was always and will be always.... how the new player that did jump directly to 60 will understand why they fight? or for who they fight? who are the scion? who are the ascian? what is a primal? who is the empire? and stuff like this.... if they skip all the story quest that explain this? how they will feel involved into stormblood if they know nothing about the world where it happend?

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People who opt to skip ahead generally don't give a damn about the story. They're playing because they like raiding, crafting, roleplaying or some other reason. So who the scions are will isn't going to matter to them. I have a linkshell where a few people will farm Sophia for hours and want to poke at Savage because it looks fun. Story? Yeah, they skipped every cutscene. Others will watch them all like a movie in the Unending Journal or level an alt for the sole purpose of experiencing the story without feeling like they're missing out.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Worse. Much worse. WoW is a prime example - quite a few people are completely new to the game, purchase a level boost to reach end game immediately and then have very little clue as to what, exactly, they're meant to be doing.

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Wanna know how I leveled Dragoon-- my current main? Ten hours one day grinding nothing but fates. I literally went from 34 to 52 in a single day. I looked up guides on the rotation because I certainly didn't learn it by playing the actual game that way. I'm leveling Dark Knight right now and unless I do big pulls, there are very few reasons I'll ever need to pop a cooldown. You generally learn the jobs through third party guides not playing through the MSQ. Dark Knight's questline actually handles it better than Warrior's has by at least making you need some mitigation to survive. I haven't finished Warrior's yet though, so maybe that changes. Dragoon? Monk? Either ever tell you what your rotation will be. I watched Dervy and MrHappy's rotation videos. So if I ever did want to just level skip, I'd basically be in the exact same position I was back then because I fate grinded.

Now I wouldn't want to skip ahead because I like story. But I think you're overestimating the impact this would happen on duty finder.

True. MSQ it's only "click" that npc, gi to the next noc and "click" it. People don't teach anything from main scenario. For most people its just exp and they skip all of them. Someone asks me why I don't help new players in unsync - your answer is in few posts here with blame for players who don't know how to play. I'm lvl 60 and new guy on 15 how unsync will teach how to play that guy when I kill everything in one hit? And I don't have time and reason to go sastasha on lvl 15 because it take a 40 min to do it. And in last 3 years I have been there more than 500times. People will go on twitch and watch streams form bloodstorm. They will hype and they will play will all players. And they will get a sastasha, and they will quit the game. Then we old players will have more optional items and less content because no one will appear to the game.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

People who opt to skip ahead generally don't give a damn about the story. They're playing because they like raiding, crafting, roleplaying or some other reason.

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Again, great and all. Like the story. Don't like the story. It still doesn't answer the questions being raised...

Why should anyone have the option to be able to skip 60 levels of content?
Why should they be able to skip the line ahead of someone that is playing the game the way it is intended?
How is this not being seen as a pay-to-win scenario, in the fact they can skip over all of those fights and dungeons?
How do you compensate others who might feel disillusioned by the fact another player can skip past them at any given moment, by simply paying more?
How does this scenario not effect game balance?

There are a lot more issues at stake here, besides simply "skipping a story."

Just have the Stormblood city accessible, then. Let newbies get their new Jobs once they hit level 30 on whatever Job they are. Don't make players be forced to level a Job they may not care about to 60 before they can even touch the Job they're interested in. Level 30 should be the minimal requirement.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Yes, the OP cited 60. But look at their other post(s). They mentioned people watching their streams, and wanting to be able to join them in end-game content immediately. This implies skipping even the HW story. They even mentioned side quests being boring. So why not skip those? Where does it end? They'll obviously want to skip 4.0 story as well.

Skipping the story is only one side of it. They in essence want to skip the entirety of the gating process. In other words, they feel entitled to the "end" of the game from day one, though they have done nothing to earn it. They think buying an "expansion" entitles them to all previous content as well.

Three years from now, this system would be abused. You give someone an inch, they will want a mile. And that's not even mentioning RMT. You think they won't pay-to-win?

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And? If they want to skip all the way to Stormblood, and probably pay an extra $40-50 doing so. I don't care. It doesn't effect me. Those types of players either won't stay subbed regardless or won't even play the game without a MSQ skip option. They're essentially free money for Square. Now skipping Stormblood? No. That is the new game. They have to do that like the rest of us since it's currently relevant. A Realm Reborn and Heavenward? If they want to skip one or both and just jump right into Stormblood. Go right ahead.

They don't necessarily feel entitled. They just don't care about the story or old content. I'll cite my friend again. She's never touched an extreme primal fight. Not one of them. She hasn't even unlocked all the dungeons yet she logs in every day to roleplay. That's what she finds fun. She skips all the story and only does stuff if she absolutely has to. She'll finish Heavensward just to access Stormblood then go back to ignoring all the dungeons and crap again.

You're jumping to conclusions here. Even in your scenario, none of it would be P2W because you actually have to learn fights to beat them. Leveling is just busy work. I could go into The Creator right now in only ilvl 240 gear and beat it if I were good enough. Jumping levels wouldn't make me good though. I'd need to practice the fight and/or watch guides. Nonetheless, there is nothing to abuse since it would only jump people to Stormblood. If they want to go further than that, too bad. Wanting to skip old content doesn't mean most want to skip everything. They just don't want to have to run around doing 300+ quests-- many of which will be four years old as of Stormblood's release.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I also doubt they will ever have a single zone that lets you go up 12 levels in a single zone.

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I do agree that it's unlikely that they will do such a thing, but it's not entirely wise to rule out the possibility to bypass expansions when the mechanics to skip are already in place and that about the only thing missing would be an easily inserted "how we got here" type scene for people choosing to skip.

Lot of current day gamers just want to skip to "end game" so they can do what? Play it for couple weeks maybe a month and then complain about how it boring and nothing to do?

wait wait.... role player that don't give a damn of the story? you don't feel like you are kinda saying something.... kinda.... weird.
it's them choice to not like this, but it's the main focus of this game, when they come here, they know it. and honestly... i did help friend do them dungeon in unsync, it take almost no time to do it in solo. and like said, doing the msq allows to get tons of exp for the first jobs...

anyway, i did see a lot of this sort of player ingame, they don't give a damn to the story and are often the first to complain about the content given by the patch.... because well they don't care about the msq or the secondary quest. then do i care for them? no... why they will have the right to pass stuff when other will do it? a free pass? no way! no pain no gain.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Just have the Stormblood city accessible, then. Let newbies get their new Jobs once they hit level 30 on whatever Job they are. Don't make players be forced to level a Job they may not care about to 60 before they can even touch the Job they're interested in. Level 30 should be the minimal requirement.

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This is a more balanced solution, for those that simply want the new jobs. If story doesn't matter to those people, they will get their job and go on to enjoy content. Or if story does matter, they will possibly play it as the new job.

However, what is being suggested throughout this post, is in essence skipping the entirety of the game. All story. All quests. All dungeons. All content, just to get to a particular end-game raid, to play with friends. I'm assuming Alexander. This is essentially pay-to-win. They may not be paying to win Alexander, but they paid to win every single story fight and dungeon along the way.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

And? If they want to skip all the way to Stormblood, and probably pay an extra $40-50 doing so. I don't care. It doesn't effect me. Those types of players either won't stay subbed regardless or won't even play the game without a MSQ skip option

You're jumping to conclusions here. Even in your scenario, none of it would be P2W because you actually have to learn fights to beat them. Leveling is just busy work.

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Again, we're talking about far more than skipping cutscenes or quests here. There are actually dungeons, and fights that are linked to the main story, and the player is required to pass these to proceed. Primals, The Chrysalis, Steps of Faith, various dungeons (including Sastasha mentioned by OP). There is a ton of content that the player would be skipping to get through the MSQ. How else could the MSQ be registered as completed? It is a linear system.

So my scenario of pay-to-win is pretty accurate. You wouldn't need to learn anything to skip all of that content, other than where to enter your CC number. It's a very slippery slope. If they skip all the way to Stormblood, why would they not want to skip that too? It also effects game balance as far as unlocking gated gathering nodes, and crafting materials along the way. (Again, think RMT.)

Very dangerous and bad idea we're talking about here.

I am all for people paying 60 bucks on top of paying for stormblood to skip to lvl 60. Helps increase the budget for the next expansion

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Just have the Stormblood city accessible, then. Let newbies get their new Jobs once they hit level 30 on whatever Job they are. Don't make players be forced to level a Job they may not care about to 60 before they can even touch the Job they're interested in. Level 30 should be the minimal requirement.

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This. I wanted to be able to beat the ARR story as a Dark Knight on my alt's first clear but due to the lockout, you can't access the job until after you beat the story and unlock Ishgard. The devs can lock the scenario stuff if they want, but don't lock away the jobs as well. That's one of the main attractions to an expansion apart from the new instanced content.

I just wanted to tell my two cents, not because it bothers me as I'm a story skipper (because I don't like it), but because this might be a very harmful thing for the expansion.

I get it: this game is all about story (then why 1.0 failed?) and apparently we can't live in this game without story, fine, but you know what we also need? New players. And a new player who sees a huge wall made of hundreds of quests JUST to access the latest expansion might leave halfway before they even finish. This is a thing that happens quite often (two of my friends and my sister laughed at me when they heard this for HW), with people simply being discouraged because of this huge wall of quests, and you want to repeat the same mistake twice? For STORY reasons?! I don't get it, I really don't, but if people are fine with this then more power to you all folks.

I'll just make sure to skip my way through to the end and you better hope all those new players have the patience to either skip it or follow it entirely, or else our numbers will dwindle even more.
Which will lead to more cash shop stuff to keep the game running....because a sub isn't enough anymore right x) ?

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Again, we're talking about far more than skipping cutscenes or quests here. There are actually dungeons, and fights that are linked to the main story, and the player is required to pass these to proceed. Primals, The Chrysalis, Steps of Faith, various dungeons (including Sastasha mentioned by OP). There is a ton of content that the player would be skipping to get through the MSQ. How else could the MSQ be registered as completed? It is a linear system.

So my scenario of pay-to-win is pretty accurate. You wouldn't need to learn anything to skip all of that content, other than where to enter your CC number. It's a very slippery slope. If they skip all the way to Stormblood, why would they not want to skip that too? It also effects game balance as far as unlocking gated gathering nodes, and crafting materials along the way. (Again, think RMT.)

Very dangerous and bad idea we're talking about here.

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You mean content I could literally solo them all through? Is it pay to win if I run them through Stone Vigil unsynced and murder everything with one button while they follow after me? It's old content. Who cares? If they want to skip the many stages of Ifrit, go right ahead. You can already obtain gear that vastly overgears you for all those fights.

None of that is pay to win. You aren't allotting them an unfair advantage other players do not have. An example of pay to win is what Black Desert does, wherein you lose EXP if you die and are transported back to the closest city. As loot drops on world bosses are based on DPS uptime, all this can really set you back. But! If you buy an item from their cash shop, you'll be revived instantly exactly in the spot you died with no EXP loss.

Wanting to skip old content and Stormblood are not the same thing. The former simply aren't interested in having to slog through hundreds of hours of content that lost its relevancy years ago. Maybe they find the class system fundamentally boring (I don't blame them. I leveled Lancer after all :p). Or they want to play with their friends. Whatever their reason is, it's old content. It doesn't matter anymore. Letting them skip hard mode primals isn't pay to win. You can and will be carried through them even if you have no idea what you're doing. I've done it. And no it doesn't. A level potion would be battle jobs, seeing those gate content. Regardless, even if you could jump craft/gather classes. It wouldn't change anything except maybe some markets will have a larger supply. Once again, leveling is easy, albeit boring. It's the MSQ people want to skip because they want to experience the expansion when it launches not a month(s) later because they're stuck all the way back on 2.3.

There's nothing dangerous about it because it does nothing. What will happen longterm is new players simply won't pick up FFXIV because of the sheer grind it entails to reach the current expansion. How many people do you think would have picked up Legion if they had to go through fifteen years through of content? Even just five? I guarantee it wouldn't be nearly to the extent they currently sold.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

wait wait.... role player that don't give a damn of the story? you don't feel like you are kinda saying something.... kinda.... weird.
it's them choice to not like this, but it's the main focus of this game, when they come here, they know it. and honestly... i did help friend do them dungeon in unsync, it take almost no time to do it in solo. and like said, doing the msq allows to get tons of exp for the first jobs...

anyway, i did see a lot of this sort of player ingame, they don't give a damn to the story and are often the first to complain about the content given by the patch.... because well they don't care about the msq or the secondary quest. then do i care for them? no... why they will have the right to pass stuff when other will do it? a free pass? no way! no pain no gain.

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Roleplayers typically create their own story around the game's lore and their character simply lives in Eorzea. Essentially, you're an everyday person, an adventurer or whatever. Your character isn't the WoL nor do they know the scions. So the main story doesn't impact them. Some love it, others don't pay attention and do their own thing.

Some will probably do precisely that. But making them go through the story isn't going to abruptly have them care about something they weren't interested in to begin with. They'll still say they have nothing to do since they're likely skipping cutscenes anyway. As for why they have the right? I, frankly, don't care how other people choose to play the game, provided it doesn't impact me. I wanted to level normally and experience the story. If they don't. I am not going to feel sour over them wanting to skip ahead. I wouldn't buy a jump potion even to level an alt now. So... it just doesn't matter to me.

Why are new players perceived as if they gods gift to humanity? They are and shouldn't be treated any different then anyone else who plays this game.

Put me in the "Game starts from the beginning" team.

Here's a little input from me as a new player. The journey to endgame is not that long to begin with, it only took me 2 weeks to reach level 50. Furthermore, there are so many tutorials and game mechanics explanations along the way that you'll miss if you go straight to level 60. If you play a level 60 character from the start, you'll be more likely 'gimped' in terms of playing skill. The journey is there for you to learn the basics and master them in preparation of the endgame activities.

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

New players. And a new player who sees a huge wall made of hundreds of quests JUST to access the latest expansion might leave halfway before they even finish.

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I know. It's horrible when I buy a new game, and I have all of that content to go through, just to get to the latest content. Ugh. Why don't they just tell you the end of the game, and let you collect stuff? That's where all the fun is at. Especially if it has weekly lockouts. I always said, "If they could just give us a game where we have to pay per month, to play it once a week, and log out until reset day..."

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People need to research what they buying and not expect everything handed to them, do they want full level 70 with the best gear also. Cause one you skip all the other content that pretty all you doing, couple raids and run the same dungeons for tomes to get gear.