Dev Team, show me you care about your players because I just don't see it (long read)

hmm imo i wonder why they didn't decide to wipe all char.
yea i know if they did, none going to pay until 2.0 is on..
well we should be thankful and glad for our char didn't get wiped.
they are just rebuilding entire game , just like releasing new game.
i know how you feeling about your Conjurer , but they wants to be changed , for good.
so just rebuild your build , style , and entertain it?
if something is lost , (then )create it again?
lets see they are trying to make something good for us at least.
well just imo

There only will wipe if they encounter a serious problem where it can't be ported to 2.0, but it was already announce that there will be no wipe and character data is ensured to be transfer over.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

{That's too bad}, next time be more careful what you vote.

For now stop whining.

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Actually, doesn't really matter what he voted for or against, the decision usually falls under what the majority votes for. end of story.

Although it didnt entail what was to change and what was not going to change, the decision alone allowed for open changes. Almost all of the changes that are happening are results of player feedback though, so you can't blame the dev team for that.

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Originally Posted by Zeroeffect

I think your missing the point that this is SE's game not yours and that they will do what ever it is they want to do with this game simple as that.

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It's not about whose game it is it's about customer service.

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Originally Posted by Alicia_WM

That loyalty mode post wasn't a joke???

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The underlying idea was that hardcore elitist players wanted to lock the game up to their niche without any mass appeal.

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Originally Posted by tachikoma

Specifically thinking of how I held 3 skelly on CON for the last phase of Batraal, by abusing sentinel and deflection/aegis boonII

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So it's abuse? Seemed to me like you were legitimately using the tools you were provided with. What good are preconceptions about the survivability of a mage class?

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Neptune, I don't think it's fair to say that Yoshi-P doesn't care. I think he cares very much, and has tried to show an ear for his players. But he is one man, and cannot possibly think of everything.

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I don't know if he cares or not. Fact is, I have slighted people in the past unintentionally. That's what THIS thread is about.. here's a chance to show you care.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

How about you figure out a productive solution?

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You want to know why? Because it's not my problem. I've offered solutions to the dev team to fix their problem.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I mean especially with the mage issue, no matter what choice they made there would be a great deal of players unhappy with how things turned out. They really couldn't win with that decision.

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I disagree. True problem solvers who care about customer service can find themselves out of any sticky situation. It's a matter of caring.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

My issue is that every time they make a change that effect the OP he makes a new threads trying to explain how he was personally effected by the change, and how he should be compensated. He had a thread detailing how anyone who leveled conjurer to be a nuker should now be given a buff of THM to 50 so they can play BLM. Now he is claiming some warped chaim of logic to justify why he should have a his gladiator class buffed to 50 because of sentinal changes.

Its not enough that you have been playing free for a year, but now there are a few that want classes buffed to 50 for no effort as well.

With that mentality, everyone who leveled an archer because of its high damage output should get there lancer class buffed to 50 for nothing. As well as all those who leveled a gladiator should get marauder buffed to 50 for free as well.

Since we are on the subject, I leveled goldsmith. Goldsmith recieved a hosing compared to the other DoH in the last update. All my items I make are deemed dated. By the OPs logic, I should be allowed to choose another DoH class and get it freely buffed to 50 as well.

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I can see your logic. If I didn't know anything else but your logic I would agree with you. If every time someone felt slighted they were given something for free there would be so many perks flying around you'd think there was a tornado in the room. I don't agree with that though, just like you. Unlike you, I can make a distinction between the examples and analogies you used.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

I'd say wait until they release info on the class reforms in detail with part 2. What makes you so sure that CON/THM won't gain actions/traits that make use of the shield in a more magey way?

It doesn't matter what they new details there are because this thread is about customer service. If you cared you wouldn't do what has been done.

The thead is silly, because as always Neptune is complaining about something we know nothing about. Complaining/discussing over speculation is a pastime at best, and should never be taken seriously.

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I agree but you're mistaken. The points in my OP are facts, not future events.

I leveled Shield to 50 as well. Oh wait, actually it leveled itself while I was leveling Conj and GLA.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I agree but you're mistaken. The points in my OP are facts, not future events.

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how is it facts when they are speculation at best and you didnt tried them?

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Hi. I'm Neptune. I've been on these boards since they first opened and they were filled with pleas about the game and suggestions to make it better. I've made a series of threads about how this game should be designed with the 97% of players in mind who quit after the first few weeks.

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Your biggest mistake is to assume that your opinion equals the majority.

I know plenty of people who started out at launch as CNJ because they wanted to heal, and later on had to switch to THM, because THM heals were superior pre-1.18, then had to switch back to CNJ post 1.18.

I agree with you that the Devs did not make it clear from the beginning regarding what playstyle they want for CNJ or THM, and all the constant changing is making players running in circles. But at least the game allows you to be multiple classes on the same character instead of asking you to start over the game from scratch with a new one.

Lastly, if you want to be a half way decent mage of any kind, you will want both CNJ and THM at 50 anyways, since these are the only two mage classes available right now.

I am off to shoot myself now after reading parts of this thread...

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Originally Posted by Bearforce

how is it facts when they are speculation at best and you didnt tried them?

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What didn't I try?

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Originally Posted by KyrsIsley

Your biggest mistake is to assume that your opinion equals the majority.

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Sweet of you to suggest that, but I don't make that claim. I'm really starting to think in 2011 you can't expect anyone to read a paragraph with 100% comprehension unless they have a college degree.

Anyway, I hope the dev team takes into consideration what I've said because whether people post or not many people will feel like the dev team is not doing good customer service. This is a free trial period as well, if we can't expect service now why would we pay for a subscription?

Last time I checked I was just a gamer and not a paid member of the dev team but if you need to know what to do it's all about being fair and it couldn't hurt to start with being fair to the people that have been the most loyal to you. You can delete my character if it helps make your game a better game but all I ask is that you make it right.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I am almost speechless after reading this retarded thread. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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I was almost the same but then I remembered its Neptune... so it fits...

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Sweet of you to suggest that, but I don't make that claim. I'm really starting to think in 2011 you can't expect anyone to read a paragraph with 100% comprehension unless they have a college degree.

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You first claim that you've made multiple posts about how the game should be designed with 97% of the players in mind who quit after the first few weeks. Then you go on and stated again that you believe the game "should appeal to the masses" and say how you started at launch as a CNJ because of <insert assumptions here>. Then you complain about how the constant changing of the game does not fall under your original assumptions and is affecting "your" playstyle, abilities, tactics, fun, experience, and least of all but most relevant, effort.

See the correlation there? I guess your college didn't teach you how to word yourself if you are really not trying to say your opinions speak for the majority.

You are assuming your complaints about the changes made by SE does NOT fall into your original assumptions, and since you've made a series of post regarding the well beings and enjoyment of the majority, you are also making another post based on the same principle. See the correlation?

If you are NOT assuming your opinions equal the majority as you claimed, then the first 2 paragraphs of your post is completely irrelevant, since what you are trying to say really has nothing to do with the majority of the players in game or quit in the first few weeks, but merely about yourself as a FFXIV player and how the changes made by SE made you feel unhappy.

They already said that the shield skills will be moved to GLA. They also said numerous times that all classes are undergoing reforms. They will be giving out the skillsets in advance to allow for feedback before 1.20.

You on the other hand, Neptune, are whining as always due to a lack of foresight based on their announcements. The removal of the Sentinel class comes along major reforms that nobody can predict right now. You are crying about an upcoming change based on how skills are now. Heck, you don't even know if Aegis Boon will even exist anymore, yet you're upset because apparently the shield class being removed is what you think is taking away that skill.

What you're saying is not fact in the slightest. You are upset over not getting a level of customer service you, yourself, feel entitled to. This is an opinion at best.

I appreciate their advance notices and the degree to which they consider player feedback. A+ to customer service from me.

1. Your statement that elitists wanted to lock up the game is absurd - it takes hardly any effort to obtain the same results. You have one rank 50 (CON), a 43 THM, and a 39 GLD for DoM/W. How can you even complain that you're being robbed? You haven't even started leveling other classes and you've been around since launch. Based on that information, correlated with your statements, you want some things but aren't willing to put in the effort. To me that seems pretty impractical.

Yes, there are huge changes. No, they are not wiping the little amount of progress you have made (and "little" is an understatement.) If anything, the fact that you gain abilities from quests seems to be right in line with your train of thought.

You really don't have a lot of ground to stand on here, bud.

I can add a 2 and a 3 but I think what you're asking for, coupled with what you've done, already speaks for itself.

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

Asking to be compensated for playing a game is the most ridiculous load a crap I've ever heard.

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I think it's not crap to ask compensation, I think it would be nice to have some nice piece of gear showing that we have been here since day 1... Why not?
It doesn't take that long to create, right?
I am not sure what kind of compensation you mean though (or the OP). I don't want money or anything fancy... Something useful and flashy :P
And I don't mean gear like for example the pumpking heads that are only gathering dust on retainer, but something that is actually useful... Like the warp staff in 11.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

The only reason you feel this way is because you likely don't understand this is a game that's going through a major overhaul -- An MMO that's been given to you for free beyond a box price for a year. In order to get this game off of the ground major changes need to happen, they're even making it harder to overhaul this game by allowing players to keep the majority of their data.

People voted for class changes as well because let's face it, absolute freedom can't be balanced.

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I think you read my post a bit wrong, it wasn't really my "feeling" - it really is a fact (and I am actually quite happy about the overhaul). This game will change a lot and lots of things we do now will be in vain. Yes, we can cry about it, but it will still happen.

And the game hasn't been given me for free... Would people just stop saying that already.
I for one have been very on and off from this game (as you can see, I have only one lvl 50 job) and I have hardly gotten even a month's worth gameplay out of FFXIV.
Should I feel grateful that it's been free to play? NO! I paid £48 for this game a YEAR AGO and I am still waiting for it to be what it was hyped up to be. I bought a new computer for it because I love FF games...
And I am still here, rooting for FFXIV, advertising it to my friends and actually going to start paying the monthly fees as well.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

What didn't I try?



Sweet of you to suggest that, but I don't make that claim. I'm really starting to think in 2011 you can't expect anyone to read a paragraph with 100% comprehension unless they have a college degree.

Anyway, I hope the dev team takes into consideration what I've said because whether people post or not many people will feel like the dev team is not doing good customer service. This is a free trial period as well, if we can't expect service now why would we pay for a subscription?

Last time I checked I was just a gamer and not a paid member of the dev team but if you need to know what to do it's all about being fair and it couldn't hurt to start with being fair to the people that have been the most loyal to you. You can delete my character if it helps make your game a better game but all I ask is that you make it right.

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I would really like to know what you are calling good customer service... As I stated before SE doesn't have to give you anything at all but they do.
They game us the forums and they check it very often if not all the time, And they gave us lobstone that is full of information. They keep us updated with patchs/undates and that's not something they have to do they could just say nothing at all and just do what they want.
Sounds to me like you want them to call you up and make sure it's ok to do this or that.

Effort? What effort? You leveled an off-class along with your conjurer. That's not effort. If you want effort equal to what sentinel originally was, level gladiator (which is where the abilities are going).

You can get from 1-50 in about 15 hours or less now anyway so it doesn't matter regardless.

Customers are not equal.

Welcome to real life, have a nice stay.

to OP. I think you need to step back and realize that you are playing an MMORPG. This is not some single player game where you get what you get at release. This is a dynamic and changing world and EVERYTHING is up for changes and balancing in the future. It's part of what makes these types of games so appealing. Removing an ability or nerfing a class doesn't belittle your achievement. It's still there. You still had fun doing it and thats what counts.


There is going to be countless more reforms coming in the next year and some of them I am sure you are not going to be happy with. You just need to keep this in mind and accept that that's what required to maintain or increase balance and playability. Thing like this happen all the time IRL and people don't complain. "Wah I bought a 3DTV for $4000, and now my friend got the same one for $1200, that's not fair, All my wasted savings and time saving waisted!" do you do that? Do you call the company and ream them out for changing prices? Do you call them and bitch them out for coming out with a better TV 3 months later that is cheaper and better then the one you got, making yours seem obsolete?

Step back, soak in a reality check and realize change happens, deal, accept, or get left behind.

This thread again? I am not pleased.

This thread is a complete joke.

Neptune taking the place of gifthorse, one post at a time.

I read your whole post and I just am amazed that you feel cheated in anyway, i mean guess what you wanted to play a black mage well thau is going to be it level it and play and all these other post you hot linked and said how valuable is your opinion, and now my question to you is how valuable do you think you opinion actually is? I mean come on they're gonna appease all type of players and take suggestion from everyone yes but money is their goal they are a business so they don't care if you feel cheat when they abolish you shield skill or make a different class the class you wanted to play. This is Yoshi-p's work of art and he will continue to do whats he think is best and yes use some of the players idea to improve the game but he doesn't care if you feel cheated none the less cause he making vast improvement and many more people are enjoying the game. He can't make everyone happy bro so either a. enjoy the game and make post that could be fundamentally important to the game or b. stop playing man. Obviously you like it and you spent alot of time in this game so your probably not going anywhere.

Just read this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...veling-in-1.19
And you will understand why Neptune is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.

/laughfactory

He has been making threads like this since March. Don't think i have ever agreed with him.

Neptune, maybe you should wonder why almost all your of threads and posts go down this way?

This is why MMOs are not for everyone.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Just read this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...veling-in-1.19
And you will understand why Neptune is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.

/laughfactory

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Lol thank you for that hmm, i guess telling your whole life story makes your post good. Not! good times thank you Rem

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Originally Posted by Picoman

He has been making threads like this since March. Don't think i have ever agreed with him.

Neptune, maybe you should wonder why almost all your of threads and posts go down this way?

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Neptune is a woman.... 'nough said

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Just read this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...veling-in-1.19
And you will understand why Neptune is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.

/laughfactory

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Lol, nice fake sob story. Even if it is true, do you really expect anyone to care Neptune?

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Neptune is a woman.... 'nough said

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Wow, no shame huh >.>; no wonder people tethertroll me around all day.

Well, getting trolled is the norm here i suppose.

maybe he has man period? (aka "firerrhea" or "bowl of embers")

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Lol, nice fake sob story. Even if it is true, do you really expect anyone to care Neptune?

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WAAIIIITTTT, we don't want to have to sit through another sob sob life story so let me just answer this question for Neptune. no we don't care so please don't tell us about your life or from what i read make anymore suggestions thanks.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Wow, no shame huh >.>; no wonder people tethertroll me around all day.

Well, getting trolled is the norm here i suppose.

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Getting trolled is the norm...

Rem Vye, you are hereby obligated to make long posts from this point on.
Never should your sig be that much larger than the content of your post.

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Originally Posted by Uriko

The main difference being that many of these mages have already leveled Sentinel for the abilities.

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The issue i have with this sentiment is how the game operates now. If we were still on the old chance of sp per action then this argument would hold some weight. Early on having a high shield level meant something and was cause for a bit of celebration when some one gained a new skill. these days you strap a shield to any class capable of using one and the skills just show up eventually.

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No-one is asking for GLA to be leveled for free as 'payment' for losing shield skills,

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actually Neptune kind of is.

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so while I admit most 50 CNJ/THM will already have Sentinel, there will be a lot who are still adversely affected by the changes.

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If the shield skills are staple of peoples play style and they have zero levels into glad. Once the new ability pools are announced they will have from that time till patch day to equip a sword and play whack a mob to get to the point where there style can continue on uninterrupted. Its the same for every body else no mater what they consider there main. Well except for the really bored people with every thing at 50.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

You want to know why? Because it's not my problem. I've offered solutions to the dev team to fix their problem.

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No, it's definitely your problem. You are the one who has issue with it, despite the fact that they're giving us plenty of notice ahead of time. Your argument would be valid if those changes were announced in the 1.21 patch notes as it was going up. But considering the fact that we have time to plan accordingly now, in addition to the fact that leveling is not that hard these days, one should really find an actual constructive solution instead of bitching on the forums constantly. Your Thaum is at 43 anyway, you could hit 50 in a single stronghold group.

I think the game is getting really good tbh. I didnt like it up until now i welcome the changes and will continue to play from now on.

Your posts may have been "designed" for what you think is the 97% of players that quit. But I'm sure 197% of the members quit because of your posts.

I can make up stats too.

You say you've offered solutions to the dev team, but they weren't solutions they were [SIZE="7"]HORRIBLE[/SIZE] ideas.

On topic: I disagree with everything the OP said. Stop crying and play the game the devs design with for the 97% of people that stay.

Learn to play CON the way its designed or play a different class.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?

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Drastically alter the rules. Get rid of the Armoury System in place of something tested and proven to work. The XI system.

Keep the ability to swap weapons -> class/jobs/roles. That actually makes sense.

You whine to much, just level glad for the shield abilities and stay on con instead of switching over to white mage, and then you can continue as you have been. Or you could just level black mage.

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Originally Posted by Xenien

I think the game is getting really good tbh. I didnt like it up until now i welcome the changes and will continue to play from now on.

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And I completely agree with this.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Neptune is a woman.... 'nough said

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hey now.

/10etc

Forgive me if this has been posted already, but I wasn't about to go through 12 pages of posts ^^;. Anywho, with regards to the "I started Conjurer to be an offensive elemental caster" I would like to refer to the fact that you don't HAVE to play the job, you can still party as a CON without WHM and be the role you want. Now, no one may party with you if you're set in those beliefs because the deem it unnecessary, but there is always that freedom of choice (and, consequently, the freedom of everyone else's choice to not party with you).

From one of the many interviews:

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Obviously, the question is what's different between a class and a job. After discussing with the battle team how we wanted to do this, we decided that for light parties and casual play, we wanted players using the class system where you can freely mix and match abilities to make an all-around type of character. Jobs we want to make more specialized, like you see in a lot of other MMOs, such as where the Paladin would be designed as a tank [...] The best way of thinking about it is probably two different modes of character fighting style depending on what type of content you'll be playing.

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