Veteran Rewards going to 1200 and 1320 days

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

it is a bit disheartening newer ones basically have no hope of getting these

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Not only do new players have a "hope" of getting these. It's guaranteed if they stay with the game long enough. If you want the reward for subscribing for X days, just stick with the game for X days and you'll get it. And sure, some of them take quite a while, but they took just as long for everyone else. They're equally available to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Some dont get the Point [...]

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Feels more like you're missing some points here...

This is nothing you're catching up on, its a gift, something extra. Nothing you "achieve", nothing you are entiteld to have. Its a "Thank you!" and something we most likely wouldnt get otherwise.
And what do you even want? SE to stop rewarding people who are supporting this game over a long period of time?
No one is forcing you to play this game longer than you want - they're only saying "thanks" if you do.
So what? Even if it is uncommon that doesnt mean its bad? You can just ignore the veteran rewards all together if you dont want them, you dont have to look at those items and be like "ooooh, I'll never have this because I dont wanna support the game for this long and wait for it"

Crazy idea here.
I would like to get some exclusive content that can only be unlocked by Veterans. And then be able to choose from a variety of gear that is only available to Veterans. Yes I do believe that if I am a loyal paying customer I should get exclusive perks. Every other business in the real world offers that to create loyalty and long term patronage... so I want exclusive dungeons, exclusive gear, exclusive content and on top of that the option to choose which one I want as a "gift" whenever my subscription allows me to get to that level. I am spending RL money I want RL perks. Stop the whining and either subscribe or not but ultimately loyalty and support should be REWARDED.

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

Why would I want my character to look like an established one from another game?

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YOU don't. I do.

Actually, what ARE you contributing to this? You basically just openly said you have no interest in the entire topic of discussion.

Just be upset when they shut the servers down so you can't have the 3+ year rewards in the future at all. :P

If I stayed consistently subscribed, I'd have Tantalus gear.... But I didn't so I don't.
Doesn't bother me any. I'll get it eventually.


Besides, the only verteran rewards worth any legit, ingame value are the Aetheryte tickets. The rest is just vanity. If you want to cosplay, great, just wait to get the goods like everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

http://i.imgur.com/vBzf7Dj.png

per reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._1320_current/

While I appreciate this being a reward for longtime players, it is a bit disheartening newer ones basically have no hope of getting these cosplay outfits (assuming it will be that again).

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Your self entitlement is disgusting...

only thing about these "rewards" I'm disappointed in is that they're horrible and won't see the light of day outside my characters armoire..

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Originally Posted by Alaina

only thing about these "rewards" I'm disappointed in is that they're horrible and won't see the light of day outside my characters armoire..

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I want another mount tbh, or even weapon glamours?

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

I get it

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you mistake me if you think i have a problem with you not deserving it. i couldnt care less about having a reduced sub fee, burnt chocobo or char tatoo. Those are things legacy players deserved, and it would be quite redundant for what ive said about veteran rewards to be any different. Those were things promised to you legacy players if you subbed for whatever period before they shut down the servers, chill. What I meant is this: These rewards ARENT unobtainable at all, the op simply has to reup subs to get them, and to op what exactly is the complaint? And yes the only way these rewards are unobtainable is if, like i said the game shut down. Agree or not its the truth. Also this game wouldnt be without people supporting the original, so thank you for helping it become the working game that it is now. So to me you are special since you were there when i was not

The main issue I think is that the veteran rewards lose their value over time. If you get an item the first day it is released it has better value than if you get it one year after that etc. The Veteran rewards could easily be available on the Mog Station. No need to make it exclusive. So you stayed subbed for 2 years? Here is your reward, you get this item for free and you don't have to pay for it like the newbies do. Easy. That could imho work better, but then we would have players complaining they get nothing for the their sub time :3

Personally I wish the sub time was rewarded by removing annoying things from the game, spoiler alert it might be slightly P2W, if long term sub removed the weekly caps like tomestones or savage lockouts, I would gladly pay more months in advance. These restrictions are killing a lot of fun for me, because it seems like Yoshida does not trust us we would stay subbed.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

YOU don't. I do.

Actually, what ARE you contributing to this? You basically just openly said you have no interest in the entire topic of discussion.

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I was basically disagreeing with the OP who said that it was "disheartening" for newer players having to wait until they can get their hands on these costumes. I don't feel the same way as I don't care about these costumes.
Also, this is a forum... Am I not allowed to voice my opinion anymore? Does every thread need to be an echo chamber? I don't think so.

"Thank you gifts" are when they giving us Crysta or something we can use without the "exclusivity"...
Not sure if you running a company on your own but its not hard to understand if you try to!
Well i guess some just like to be special snowflakes and thats it...

About picking up the legacy thing @ ADVSS -> use search function please!
Most of 1.x players will giving you their bonus for free if they could, we never wanted to become special.

Remember, folks: these are not unattainable. This isn't an issue of an item that used to be attainable but has been removed entirely from the game. This is purely an issue of having time-gated content that you WILL get, just not today or tomorrow. I know that can be annoying, but don't get too off track in thinking that new players can NEVER have this stuff. That isn't true, at all.

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

Remember, folks: these are not unattainable. This isn't an issue of an item that used to be attainable but has been removed entirely from the game. This is purely an issue of having time-gated content that you WILL get, just not today or tomorrow. I know that can be annoying, but don't get too off track in thinking that new players can NEVER have this stuff. That isn't true, at all.

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Only true if it stops at 1080 and does not continue!

i want the next reward to be the red fenrir mount :D

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Only true if it stops at 1080 and does not continue!

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I'm confused.... Is the world scheduled to end after 1080 days?

Final Fantasy XI released in what... 2003? 2004? That means that historically, these Final Fantasy MMOs are not short lived. Shy of the world ending, I feel pretty confident that this game will still be around at that point.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

i want the next reward to be the red fenrir mount :D

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Heh, I'm not sure how fair that would be to all the poor sods who have grinded out 1,000,000 MGP for their regular Fenrir mount. It's been mind-numbing and I'm only at 300,000 lol

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Only true if it stops at 1080 and does not continue!

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I dont get why you're claiming this?
After all everyone will get the items after being subbed the same amount of time. Every new player will play without those items as long as the ones who are already having them. If they shut down the game before someone was able to get Zidanes outfit and they're pissed because of that (and not because, well, they "lost" their character and so on...) thats to bad (and an irritating thought for me tbh).

Those items are something extra - not game breaking (again: I played three years without them and managed to somehow survive...), just a "thank you, for being loyal - we value that, here have this special extra!"

Really, sometimes I'd wished people would get over this "I need to have everything NOW!" mentality...

Still, even if I doubt SE would do that: What about creating a new veteran for 4.0, so our current reward would stop at somewhat around 1.500 or so and everyone could start with the new expac a sort of "second tier" from scratch. So the new people would get their ARR-rewards eventually aswell while everyone could sub towards the 4.0 ones?

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

Heh, I'm not sure how fair that would be to all the poor sods who have grinded out 1,000,000 MGP for their regular Fenrir mount. It's been mind-numbing and I'm only at 300,000 lol

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Nah, seems fair enough to me - I got my Fenrir after about 9 months, even without the weekly thingy that gives you a bonus back then - so seems cool to me to get one after 3+ years of playing this game - thats a huge grind aswell! ;P

I wouldn't mind the Red Fenrir as a veteran reward though I suspect some people would be disappointed with a palette swap reward.
I got about half the mgp for the blue one from the "Make it Rain" event and finished the rest with the Challenge Log bonuses.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

I wouldn't mind the Red Fenrir as a veteran reward though I suspect some people would be disappointed with a palette swap reward.
I got about half the mgp for the blue one from the "Make it Rain" event and finished the rest with the Challenge Log bonuses.

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Yeah frankly I'd prefer it not be that either..lol vet rewards are supposed to be exclusive stuff more or less, not recolors so...yeah I wouldn't mind another MGP grind or something..I have so damn much now to not use.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

The main issue I think is that the veteran rewards lose their value over time. If you get an item the first day it is released it has better value than if you get it one year after that etc. The Veteran rewards could easily be available on the Mog Station.

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I'm not sure I follow. Whny do they lose value? Their value is a purely personal feeling, whether they clog your Armoire or are in your glamors. The value certainly doesn't decrease, if anything over time as feer and fewer people remain sub'd consistently and player churn takes it's toll, these rewards become more valuable becuase they become rarer in the wild. Putting these rewards in the Mogstation would break the loyalty reward system, personally I would be offended if these items were sold on the Mogstation.

The value of these things, as with any rare item, varies inversely with the scarcity of the item.

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

Heh, I'm not sure how fair that would be to all the poor sods who have grinded out 1,000,000 MGP for their regular Fenrir mount. It's been mind-numbing and I'm only at 300,000 lol

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I have earned 2 mil+ mgp and still do not have fenrir.

They probably will announce new veteran rewards in the upcoming live letter.

Id be ok with them putting the items in the Mog Station... for exactly the same price as the sub adds up to! Anyone do the math for Zidanes outfit?

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Originally Posted by Lendle

Id be ok with them putting the items in the Mog Station... for exactly the same price as the sub adds up to! Anyone do the math for Zidanes outfit?

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I did the math a few pages back (in £ which is how I pay)

£184 - Strife outfit,
£215 - Wild Rose outfit
£275 - Tantalus outfit

prices are based on an entry subscription (or a standard subscription in a block of 180 days) with no retainers

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$312 - Strife outfit,
$364 - Wild Rose outfit
$468 - Tantalus outfit

How much I spend on the game for sub is not usually on my mind when thinking about veteran rewards, cause I don't sit around and be like well this outfit cost me X amount of dollars. Now for cash shop items that when I think of how much it could cost me to get. Veteran rewards are just bonus item for continuing to pay my sub.

I think a large part of people's complaints would likely be resolved by lifting the cap on the number of days of sub allowed to be added at a time. The current cap of 180 does limit someone willing to pay ahead and, thus, be given the rewards "early".

Zidane is one of my favourite designs in FF.
SE knows how much we all love glamour so of course they will attempt
to nickle and dime it.
EDIT: Can they start making female outfits soon too? I would like Aerith's!

I'd rather have Rinoa's clothes over Aerith's any day, but I half expect FFVIII vet stuff to be the jewelry Squall and Rini wore as much as a full costume. Give me both, and I'll be thrilled!

I'm really suprised they don't follow the most basic example from one of the oldest MMO's out there.

Ultima Online had a vet reward program as well but it worked generously. Once you hit a milestone you could select from all the available rewards, of course some were more desirable than others (Dye vats and whatnot) it gave the players some agency in the rewards they got for their subscription and the longer you played the more rewards you got so the more choices you got to make.

I think now that the loyalty program is starting to grow some insurmountable legs for new players a system like this would be pretty awesome.

Hell here is an image of it. Archaic but it had some nice choices.
http://www.uoguide.com/images/d/d7/V...ction_gump.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jynx

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UO is still alive for a reason...
SE tend to have good ideas (lets add veteran bonus) but then they fail in implementing it.

Edit: This discussion isnt new, but SE always arguing with: "there are other things more important that keep us busy!"

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

Zidane is one of my favourite designs in FF.
SE knows how much we all love glamour so of course they will attempt
to nickle and dime it.
EDIT: Can they start making female outfits soon too? I would like Aerith's!

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yes please, though I think the reason they haven't is because the 'male' outfits are pretty well unisex. But let's say they made Aerith's outfit (or Tifa - though I am alonst positive this can be achieved through glamours), they could add Barret's gear or some other for male characters at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Edit: This discussion isnt new, but SE always arguing with: "there are other things more important that keep us busy!"

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Think of it as a fancy way of saying "We heard you but we don't care enough to work on that"

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

I\\'d rather have Rinoa\\'s clothes over Aerith\\'s any day, but I half expect FFVIII vet stuff to be the jewelry Squall and Rini wore as much as a full costume. Give me both, and I\\'ll be thrilled!

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If anything, I expect to see the School Uniforms used as FFVIII representation in regards to Veteran Rewards. But the formal attire for Squall/Tina would be nice, too.

http://static.zerochan.net/Rinoa.Hea...ll.1278346.jpg

i wish to get Rinoa's outfit on coming veteren rewards, since we been getting male's 1 from FF2/FF7/FF9/... "/pray"

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Originally Posted by Lacus-Clyne

http://static.zerochan.net/Rinoa.Hea...ll.1278346.jpg

i wish to get Rinoa's outfit on coming veteren rewards, since we been getting male's 1 from FF2/FF7/FF9/... "/pray"

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Thing is, we haven't been getting male outfits, we have been getting unisex outfits, and I don't see how they can make Rinoas outfit unisex

Edit: Before you call me sexist or something, I'd love Freyas (FFIX) outfit in the game, as a unisex outfit

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130321024555

Yuffie and Faris would also work as unisex outfits

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110227161514 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120716030704

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The value of these things, as with any rare item, varies inversely with the scarcity of the item.

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I agree with that. The more rate item, the better value it has. But you also need to include the "New and shiny" part of the value. If something is old, not many players are going to show any reaction to said item, because they have seen it many times.

For example I buy the new mounts when they are released... party coz I like the "vanity=p2w" :P ... but mostly because a lot of people start a conversation with me about the said mount and I make few more friends. Were I to buy the mount a week later almost nobody would show any interest in it.

I would actually love some mount(s). We havnt got a veteran mount since ages.


Either that or "free" fantasia(s).