RENT: A Better Housing Solution

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

By that logic I didn't sign on yesterday, should the house be taken from me? We have to decide what amount of time constitutes "not playing" and two weeks is too short in my opinion.

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You just going to the extremes now.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

By that logic I didn't sign on yesterday, should the house be taken from me? We have to decide what amount of time constitutes "not playing" and two weeks is too short in my opinion.

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Then use your common sense and don't take what I said literally. You knew what I meant. If you're not playing for a month and a half, the house is standing there looking pretty with your name on the plaque. That's it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yeah it all boils down to I DON'T HAVE IT and I WANT YOURS. Pretty sad really. A PAYING SUB is all that should be needed.

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Yeah, if you're completely bias and only see the one side of things.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Yeah, if you're completely bias and only see the one side of things.

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Oh really. Let's all take WinterLuna's point of view to heart. Talk about painting the kettle black. No sorry I don't. Direct your frustration against SE and not other players.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh really. Let's all take WinterLuna's point of view to heart. Talk about painting the kettle black. No sorry I don't. Direct your frustration against SE and not other players.

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Yeah, I'm the only one with this opinion. Just me. Nobody else. /eyeroll.

By the way, I'm not frustrated. I have a house.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Yeah, I'm the only one with this opinion. Just me. Nobody else. /eyeroll.

By the way, I'm not frustrated. I have a house.

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I have one too and the solution isn't to penalize those with them. Get off your high and mighty horse.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I have one too and the solution isn't to penalize those with them. Get off your high and mighty horse.

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I'm actually laughing at the fact you think the people willing to be online and use their house are the ones on their "high and mighty horse".

And obviously you have a house, God forbid anyone take it from you when you don't log in for 45 days.

Edit: getting pretty tired of the bias people here who will only see the side of their house being relinquished, so I won't be wasting my posts anymore. Have a nice day all! :)

45 days should actually be longer i also think. Just because they rather messed up when implementing housing.... Had housing been instanced instead it may not of been an issue.
And actually fairly certain Apartments will be introduced now, not actual houses. This was said already i am sure of it. (well prob 98% sure, lol)

Some people have you know real life stuff, either financial difficulties or just burned out from the game, so how is it some of you can talk for everyone and say 45 days is long enough?

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Edit: getting pretty tired of the bias people here who will only see the side of their house being relinquished, so I won't be wasting my posts anymore. Have a nice day all! :)

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Funny you should say that when people agree that people should be able to get a house. The thing is that the solution isn't to take it away from others. It's for SE to fix the the real issue of there not being enough for everyone.

The reason the idea of rent worked in other MMOs is due to the fact it was implemented at the start. When housing was released, it was understood that there was a rental or weekly payment required in order to keep said house. If players didn't think they could do so, they simply didn't buy the housing. Or, if people were no longer playing, the house would go back up for sale after a grace period of missed payment. For people who liked to take breaks, rent could also be paid months in advance in some MMOs I've played, like Aion.

This can never be the case with this game. Reason being, as stated, it was not implemented at the start. Dropping that on people who already own houses, is a slap in the face. I'm one of the many people who really would like a house. And I do understand why the 45 day timer was implemented, but it was a short-sighted attempt to band-aid a much bigger problem. Rent would be another one of those things.

The supply isn't there for the demand, bottom line. There is no easy fix to housing that would work until that demand is met with more supply.

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Originally Posted by Velisra

How about no.

How about we all just put the responsibility for the problem right back in the lap of SE where it belongs.

We all pay the same sub fee and we all should have access to the same features in the game, including housing, without the jumping through hoops to pay rent or log in at a certain time or whatever. When you obtain gear or items, or mounts or minions in the game, do they disappear when you take a break from the game? Of course not. Your character and progression are exactly how you left them whether you log out for a day, a week or a year.

Housing should be the same way.

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Yes Thank You

I am still on the side that thinks the 45 days should be based on if your account is active not if you signed on. There can be times when there are issues where you cannot connect to the game but your subscription can be or has been paid for. I have had instances where factors such as my internet provider or psn was preventing me from logging on but like i said my month was still charged. With rent who is to say that it will not have a negative impact on the game economy and people will either not buy things off the market board, raise their prices even higher, or undercut everything.

The only thing that can really fix this is adding more houses or ways to use housing features.

Well no one going to let SE back peddle either and be like "ok we f#&ked up" and redo the housing system from scratch cause they they will get upset about losing their house. So SE got themselves between a rock and a hard place no matter what they do won't be good enough for people.

Yet f2p MMOs do a better job of providing this stuff, and a longer period before losing your house, as well as not permanently losing your items if you're not back soon enough.

Is our situation because SE can't do better, or because they won't? I suspect it's the latter.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

90 days would also get rid of houses owned by people who are no longer playing, but would also ensure there's actually new content to play when you come back. It's just as much of a solution to the problem as 45 days is.

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60 days.
People who don't play for 1 month after a patch release don't really need a house.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Yet f2p MMOs do a better job of providing this stuff, and a longer period before losing your house, as well as not permanently losing your items if you're not back soon enough.

Is our situation because SE can't do better, or because they won't? I suspect it's the latter.

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In those MMOs the housings are full instanced or the devs ignore ghost cities.

Also, instanced non-FC rooms are coming with apartments

It isn't a bad idea really.

I'm kind of curious though. Why do people all of a sudden care about housing? Like um, the first year and a half of 2.0 launch, there were "vacant lots" all over the place. Do people not remember how it used to be anymore? I know that isn't the case anymore and every spot is filled 99.9% of the time. I guess that is how it should be. But why were there vacant spots all over the place for more than a year when the game came out? I bought one of the most expensive ones and I suck at making money... I noticed the houses were being bought up suddenly so I spent two weeks saving up enough gil from crafting/gathering sales for a large and just bought it.

I've love for everyone that wants one to be able to get a place of their own. I just don't understand why there were tons of vacant spots for nearly 2 years and like, over the span of two months, everything remaining got bought. The fact that people got interested and bought them is great though. I like seeing neighbors around. I like the housing wards to be active. I chat up people outside near my summoning bell as I craft and stuff. It's fun.

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Originally Posted by Felis

60 days.

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Would be more acceptable.

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In those MMOs the housings are full instanced or the devs ignore ghost cities.

Also, instanced non-FC rooms are coming with apartments

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I do believe LOTRO has neighborhoods, gives more than 45 days, and doesn't delete your items no matter how long you're gone (seriously, why is this a thing?). But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by ShadowYomi

I am still on the side that thinks the 45 days should be based on if your account is active not if you signed on.

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I agree. Let the reclamation timer start when you let your service account lapse. If someone wants to keep paying real money just to keep a virtual house, then that's on them.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

It isn't a bad idea really.

I'm kind of curious though. Why do people all of a sudden care about housing? Like um, the first year and a half of 2.0 launch, there were "vacant lots" all over the place. Do people not remember how it used to be anymore? I know that isn't the case anymore and every spot is filled 99.9% of the time. I guess that is how it should be. But why were there vacant spots all over the place for more than a year when the game came out? I bought one of the most expensive ones and I suck at making money... I noticed the houses were being bought up suddenly so I spent two weeks saving up enough gil from crafting/gathering sales for a large and just bought it.

I've love for everyone that wants one to be able to get a place of their own. I just don't understand why there were tons of vacant spots for nearly 2 years and like, over the span of two months, everything remaining got bought. The fact that people got interested and bought them is great though. I like seeing neighbors around. I like the housing wards to be active. I chat up people outside near my summoning bell as I craft and stuff. It's fun.

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Do you remember personal housing being added, and prices being reduced? That's why.

I don't get the OP's idea.

We currently have a system where a house is relinquished after 45 days and your rent is "paid" by literally opening the front door.

Why does this need to be over-complicated by using Gil or worse yet, using that terrible idea of having to go buy a token every two weeks?

Funny story: I bought my personal house to spite someone just like some of the entitled players in this thread. They sent me abusive tells and saw it as an attack that I was camping the zone for their plot. The thing was that I was actually sat half afk by the market board just outside my FC house at the time.

I like to think of it as a trophy.

Be it 90, 60 or 45 days, as long as there's a check for active subscription I'm 100% in favor, paying customers shouldn't be losing their house, but fully inactive people who aren't paying their sub shouldn't keep it either.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

No one likes Mr. Whiny-pants.

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I'm sorry. Who made this cry baby thread again? c:

Part of the problem is people buying houses for selling. Just using an account to determine if they should keep their house wond hinder them in the slightest. With the 45 days reclamation timer you force them to log into each of their character to keep their houses which will hinder them a bit.
Also 45 days is long enough in my opinion, there aren't a lot of situations where you will be away from the game long enough for that to be an issue. Some say they want a break, i'd say you dont really need a house. And all the accidents, job loss, .... some people keep talking about makes it seem that playing the game is a very very dangerous thing.
To the people that claim that they suddenly introduced reclaim and they wouldnt have bought a house if they knew, when the player housing was first introduced there was supposed to be a 30 day reclaim system introduced alongside it. It got recalled after player outrage untill something could be put in place that wouldnt have you lose everything. So its not something new.

If it matters I do own a medium house.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I just don't understand why there were tons of vacant spots for nearly 2 years and like, over the span of two months, everything remaining got bought.

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Prices were astronomical relative to the economy at that point in time. And at that point in time, gil was very limited. The main source of gil was quest rewards during leveling. Other than that, gil generally came from either crafting (i.e. transfer of wealth from player to player), or running FATEs repeatedly, or leve quests. And it was at a time when dungeons gave gil through coin drops in chests which had to be divided between the party members---only to get nerfed because bots were farming those chests.

Not to mention Yoshi-P said that housing would be afforadable but released it priced for only the richest hierarchy (which at that time meant the crafters who caught the initial relic market selling pre-relic weapons at 400k a pop at the peak on a non-legacy server, practically a non-crafting player's full fortune as a fresh 50).

Only then came the housing price adjustments, more gil income sources, and so the housing rush that you talked about. FFXIV economy wasn't always what it is today.

Back to the topic, I used to want a house of my own, but now I just want one of those apartment rooms I heard that they're considering.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Part of the problem is people buying houses for selling.

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Rent won't stop that.
All the OP's proposal will do is take a few more private houses away from people. It won't solve the housing shortage and it won't stop people buying multiple plots and/or flipping.
If we continue down this path of taking things away from people if they don't log in, then the game is going to suffer. Giving people less reasons to come back after taking a break will probably result in lost revenue for the company and fewer people for us to play with, that's bad for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

And all the accidents, job loss, .... some people keep talking about makes it seem that playing the game is a very very dangerous thing

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No need for that. Those of us who have been affected by these things shouldn't have to justify ourselves to you or to anyone else.
If you haven't personally had to deal with a crisis and you don't know anybody else who has, then all I can say is you are very lucky.
You are aware of why the reclamation has been suspended, aren't you? You might want to think before making flippant remarks like that.

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Originally Posted by ShadowYomi

I am still on the side that thinks the 45 days should be based on if your account is active not if you signed on.

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That leaves houses for alts to be kept for reselling. The people that buy houses on multiple characters are a huge part of the problem, plus, if you don't want to keep a house on an alt, you wouldn't be able to get the money from automatic demolishion.

How is this a cry baby thread? It is about opening up more houses for the active player base to use, and not for inactive people who pop in only to proc the timer and then leave. If you set more requirements to what is necessary to hold a house, it eliminates the lazy self-entitled people who'll hold a plot for the sake of holding a plot. This in turn allows for people who really want a house, to work for it, and to enjoy it more. Rent/tokens is simply a means of weeding out those who don't really care about it anymore, but are too selfish or prideful to relinquish the plot.

Sorry that there are people who want a house and are poking at your precious, but believe it or not just because you're content and happy that you've got a house, doesn't mean everything is okay.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

This in turn allows for people who really want a house, to work for it, and to enjoy it more. Rent/tokens is simply a means of weeding out those who don't really care about it anymore, but are too selfish or prideful to relinquish the plot.

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Hopefully prices are going through the roof in 3.3, so those who really want a house and work for it will get them. As far as enjoying it more, that sentiment is what makes this a crybaby thread. It's hard to use that argument without sounding like a petulant child begging for something from mom and dad.

You're idea of weeding out of those who don't care is by making housing a chore for them, as well as the people that do care.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

How is this a cry baby thread? It is about opening up more houses for the active player base to use, and not for inactive people who pop in only to proc the timer and then leave. If you set more requirements to what is necessary to hold a house, it eliminates the lazy self-entitled people who'll hold a plot for the sake of holding a plot. This in turn allows for people who really want a house, to work for it, and to enjoy it more. Rent/tokens is simply a means of weeding out those who don't really care about it anymore, but are too selfish or prideful to relinquish the plot.

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I worked hard to save the gil for my house. I'm sorry not everyone was able to, but I shouldn't be penalized for my hard work just because some kid can't have a shiny. They are making new housing wards soon, so how about you just save your gil for new housing and let us be. I don't like the fact people are greedy and get alt housing any more than you guys do, but the answer isn't to penalize all of us.

what about free company housing?

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Originally Posted by Lithe

I'm sorry. Who made this cry baby thread again? c:

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If this started as a crybaby thread, then why are you the one crying about a reasonable suggestion for a housing solution? I respect your counterargument that those with housing deserve to keep it, and they rightfully should, but with the extra housing in 3.3 and the 45-day timer being just a few buckets of water on a wildfire, permanent housing is still not a suitable long-term plan, especially for new players who do want a house and can't because of people who have lost interest in the game.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

a reasonable suggestion for a housing solution?

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It's neither reasonable, nor a solution. It's a poison ivy band-aid on a bullet wound.

How about you lose a level on each class every day unless you visit an NPC and perform some tedious task on every class? That's reasonable.

Or they add one house to each server? That's a solution.

I like the idea of rent... even at 100k a month!!!

Here is why...

I currently have 17m gil set aside to buy a house.
If at 100k on the 1st of every month I could have a house for a very long time.

Setting up that you can pay for 3 months at a time and given email and IG mail warning when it expires and I can stop off 300k at a time.


Even 200k a month wouldn't be bad.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

I like the idea of rent... even at 100k a month!!!

Here is why...

I currently have 17m gil set aside to buy a house.
If at 100k on the 1st of every month I could have a house for a very long time.

Setting up that you can pay for 3 months at a time and given email and IG mail warning when it expires and I can stop off 300k at a time.


Even 200k a month wouldn't be bad.

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Alternatively, you could buy a house and just make sure to step inside once every 45 days, like how it is currently.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Alternatively, you could buy a house and just make sure to step inside once every 45 days, like how it is currently.

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That would be a great idea if there were actually any houses to buy.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

That would be a great idea if there were actually any houses to buy.

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Hmm, it's not like they're adding wards in 3.3 or anything...

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

Hmm, it's not like they're adding wards in 3.3 or anything...

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Don't act like they won't be gone in less than a day.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Don't act like they won't be gone in less than a day.

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I didn't say anything like that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

I didn't say anything like that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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I didn't put words in your mouth. I didn't say you said anything. I said don't act like they won't be gone because you very sarcastically said there will be new houses soon.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

I didn't put words in your mouth. I didn't say you said anything. I said don't act like they won't be gone because you very sarcastically said there will be new houses soon.

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Okay then, don't assume, because I'm not acting like they're gonna last long. I know they'll be gone as soon as servers are up. Gotta be quick ;o And there WILL be new houses soon... so?