SE we forgive you.

I'll forgive SE if they put 3+ new dungeons in expert DR and we get a non-extreme trial every patch

I do not forgive the Dev team. I re-subbed 2 days ago. I want my money back, or to see it's actually being put towards something for XIV - Because Gods know it's not going to servers or updates.

SE, i forgive you .... only if my retainer bring me a kingly whisker tomorrow from his venture.

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I'll forgive SE if they put 3+ new dungeons in expert DR and we get a non-extreme trial every patch

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Wait. What?

You WANT a non-extreme trial?

Did you try Ravana/Bismark after week 2 of Heavensward? What?

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Originally Posted by Wolfman88

I don't know how much time and effort was put into this or the game as a whole in general and I bet you don't either. I'm assuming they work just as hard as everyone else to do the best they can and bring home the paycheck at the end of the day. We'll see what they have to say about it at the live letter in a couple of days.

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You do realize that most working people only put in enough effort for their work to be deemed passable, right? To keep them getting their paycheck. Thinking that the devs would work harder than any average person, just because they're devs, is a fantasy. They'll work as hard as the inscentive they're given to do so. And seeing how things have been going in this game lately, I'd say that the devs care more about just getting that paycheck than they actualy do about the game.

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Wait. What?

You WANT a non-extreme trial?

Did you try Ravana/Bismark after week 2 of Heavensward? What?

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nope, i have read they are piss easy (might be down to the fact people in forums say F U noobs stay the F out of extreme content)

SE I... Forrrg... Nah

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I don't know how much time and effort was put into this or the game as a whole in general and I bet you don't either. I'm assuming they work just as hard as everyone else to do the best they can and bring home the paycheck at the end of the day. We'll see what they have to say about it at the live letter in a couple of days.

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Lmao this is what I was talking about. What they have to say in the live letter is the work of the PR team, how do you guys still not get this. Do you really think the devs eat and breathe this game rather than just do their work and go home to their family and friends?

I don't know how they managed to make you believe that they are separate from the industry titan churning out game after game y'all piss on regualarly but some kind of small unkown start up company whose entire stakes are on the one game they are producing and pouring all their soul into...

I'm not sure how you think you're defending them by saying the product of their hard work is looking at the 2.0 quests and doing the same thing. If that's the best they can do as you say they're embarassingly incompetent. It's in the best interest of everyone involved to believe they went the cheap and lazy route, or the game is already past its peak.

When SE starts listening to the feedback and when I will see any real changes being made to this game, then I will consider forgiving them lol.
Why I should forgive anyone who hasn't even shown an effort?

So you guys are complaining because SE repopulated the open world and gave us a non-stressful way to get our new weapons? And your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck.

Perhaps the last step should just be: Complete Alexander: Gordias (Savage).

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So you guys are complaining because SE repopulated the open world and gave us a non-stressful way to get our new weapons? And your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck.

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Think the bigger complaints is the amount of gil you have to sink into the last part, after the long grind.

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I can give a good estimate on how easy it is to copy and paste a few things. The only part that would have taken any work is the particle effects, and it doesn't take this long to make a few particle effects.

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Better than you could probably do, I say again. If its so bad, stop paying them and leave. We who appreciate it don't want people like you around.

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Think the bigger complaints is the amount of gil you have to sink into the last part, after the long grind.

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I can see where you would be concerned about that last part and the money sink, but I have to disagree again. I am really glad that crafting is being made a requirement. People should have to band together and ask/pay for the resources and skills of other players. From what I've seen you do not have to have a big weathy FC to accomplish these things either. My FC is small and tight knit, and we can craft all of these things fairly easily BEFORE this content was released. We are far from wealthy also. Also the grind really isnt that long imo. At least you don't seem to be mindlessly going after SE's throat in a vicious way like most others here though, so I appreciate your criticism. Most others here though should lay off... they don't know what they are talking about.

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Take a deep breath and type out that sentence it will make you feel better!
C'mon you can do it .

SE we forgive you.

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I think it's cute and kind of funny and then I see your signature.... it totally gives the feel that you're gonna murder SE in their sleep. XD

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So you guys are complaining because SE repopulated the open world and gave us a non-stressful way to get our new weapons? And your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck.

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THANK YOU!

I'll say it in my house.

Oh wait...

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Sad that you are still defending this. Specialist Crafting has fractured the Crafters into no less than 3 opposing camps and combine it with the need for multiple specialist items from different specialist and you succeed in inflating the price for no reason. You can't pick up a single Anime Item for less than a mil because others are charging 500k+ for the specialist mats needed to go into them. It's BS no matter how much you defend it.

It is one thing to encourage people to work together but it's another entirely to strong arm them into it. It almost seems like the 3rd step is a developer vengence against people that turned in a Zeta then unsynched the dungeons to blow through them in 4 hours.

Which if so, while a brilliant stelth speed bumb, is still a strong arm tactic.

PART ONE: Me saying shut up is my reaction out of irritation to everyone being angry at SE when SE has tossed most of what we all asked for right in our laps, but putting aside my anger and not snapping at you, haters hating (which is what this thread is) and people constructively criticizing them respectfully are two different things. Most people here are just being shitty toward Se with little actual reason to complain. I just don't get it. I play this game to spend time in a fantasy styled world doing fantasy styled things. This is exactly what the new relic grind is.... it all fits into the world and the style of play. Its what the game promises to deliver.

PART TWO: Also, re-using ideas and content templates is a wise choice.... I mean, I WANT a reason to HAVE to do fates more often, and for more reasons than already exist. We SHOULD HAVE to do these things. IDK, just tired of people complaining about a game that is absolutely fantastic. We are ALL getting our money's worth, and if someone feels that they are not, then they can leave and stop paying. This is a game that is easily worth ALL the money and ALL the grind though so I have no sympathy for the people who just foam at the mouth and bite at SE because they have to spend more time in game..... isn't that what is supposed to happen? you have to do more?

I'm just going to say this. For whatever reason, my FC, LS's, server, open-worlds, instances, etc etc have been more lively than for such a long time ever since this relic dropped. I get that's it's the thing to complain about now. But if it was SE's intention to breathe some life into the world they created, than they succeeded admirably. If people really were hating it as much as they claim, they wouldn't be doing it. For chrissakes, it's not a job or a prison sentence. People can opt out. Which doesn't appear to be the case on my server. Just going by empirical evidence here in-game.

I really don't feel like debating the merits of this questline. IMO it's really no different than any other part pre-nerf. But my server is extremely active again. And for that... I'm kinda thankful.

Save the "white knight" BS please. I don't pretend to have anything to gain from voicing what is just my opinion.

Once again, yu're just another person making assumptions. I am perfectly willing to help people with crafted parts if and where I can for little or no gil. Sad that you think this is sad, speacialist crafting is just another layer of depth to a system that needed it. Now all it needs is more reason for us to have to craft things... this is a step in the right direction. These weapons are SUPPOSED to be a bitch to get and they are. We are right where we should be.

All in all, the grind isn't bad. I grind more when doing DoL leves than it would honestly take to finish the grind.

The phase 3/Crafting is all I've ever been upset with simply because Gil sinks to me are irritating. I hated the desynth part of Zodiac the same way for the same reason. And actually leveling my other classes to make it myself would take as much Gil and probably even more time than Gil grinding and buying it outright.

If it wasn't anouther Gil Sinks after taking several million to finish the last weapon then I'd be heading the defence of the Quest as well..

Yeah... the gil sink sucks. I won't lie. But if it helps out the crafters (who many of us often forget about or take for granted), then so be it. There's always a sticker shock when the new items are introduced (Tailor-Made Eel Pie, anyone?), but they ALWAYS drop to a more manageable level. So many ways to grind gil in this game, as well.

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Yeah... the gil sink sucks. I won't lie. But if it helps out the crafters (who many of us often forget about or take for granted), then so be it. There's always a sticker shock when the new items are introduced (Tailor-Made Eel Pie, anyone?), but they ALWAYS drop to a more manageable level. So many ways to grind gil in this game, as well.

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Sad thing is, since dungeons are my primary sorce of Gil that even a few hundred thousand is seriously dammaging to my funds. But I can hardly blame anyone else for that. More than a few other ways to make Gil, I just don't regularly participate in them.

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If people really were hating it as much as they claim, they wouldn't be doing it.

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Because no one ever does anything unpleasant of their own will! That's how the world works! Nice logical fallacy, bro. Some people still do it because it's (at least for 2 phases) an easier option than farming esos for 3 weeks for every class in the game. That doesn't mean it isn't lazy, uninspired, and flat-out not fun.

Why would I "forgive" a corporation? It's not a person, or a friend. Either they give me a reason to give them my money, or they don't. Since the last content has been crap, it's the latter. If they give me a reason I'll start subscribing again.

So much anger. "Nice logical fallacy, bro" Haha.. gotta love the internet and the Philosophy 101 army that mans it. And no... only an idiot would play a GAME that is not fun. Kinda goes against the very nature of gaming. Have to question why anyone would do it. And no.. this is not the "world" as you say. Again... a game. Move on to the 100,000 other gaming titles on any other platform that might bring you just a smidge more enjoyment.

Yoshi P. and Co., I forgive you.

Nope. Still a bit upset at the handling of Diadem and Relic.

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I stopped believing Yoshi-p after housing. The relic quest is just another point in a string of small disappointments that's adding up, and this is the first time I've asked myself if it's worth it to stay subbed.

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The same thing I was saying as well, glad to see I'm not the only one! I mean, unfortunate situation is unfortunate, but at least I'm not alone with this exact opinion.

And was discussing with a friend earlier too... I told I'm still in the "routine" I've gotten myself in (the one SE has gotten me in?), the routine of doing the same things every day, the same things every week, because I "have to", to stay on top.... But everything has started to feel more and more like an actual chore, an actual real life job. And with that, the "routine" is thinning out, I feel less and less like wanting to log in, indeed when I'm logged in I often actually feel like I just want out - and that "routine" is gonna completely dissipate soon, if things don't change, and that's gonna be the time when I won't subscribe anymore.......... That's where I'm headed to, that's where many of us are headed to, because that's where the game is headed to; and this friend of mine I was discussing with it also agreed that "everything has been feeling like a chore. Tbh, there is very little fun that I am finding with things that I have to do when I log in. It's like I'm logging in to work every day" - his words, not mine.

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I play this game to spend time in a fantasy styled world doing fantasy styled things. This is exactly what the new relic grind is.... it all fits into the world and the style of play. Its what the game promises to deliver.

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I'm sorry, where does the game promise to give me, quite literally, endless amount of chores and real-world-like jobs to do? I sure have missed that description. And without that, a game, by definition, is primarly for the purpose of fun. If you want to be working when you log in - perhaps your real job doesn't satisfy you enough, perhaps you just love working, perhaps you don't have a job. Which are all fine, really. But don't be surprised when the masses who expect fun and get less and less of it as time goes on get angry. (Also, as pointed out, the forum might be full of mostly just the relic now, but this really isn't the issue, it's just an issue, the last straw, the current last straw, the [i]latest[/] example of what months of content-drought and copy-paste rehashes have been building up to.)

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I WANT a reason to HAVE to do fates more often, and for more reasons than already exist. We SHOULD HAVE to do these things.

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Dude, you're not even close to all-50, even, much less all-60. You have all the reasons to do FATEs if you love them so much. And no, we should not have to do these things, we should not have to do any type of content especially in the amount the Anima Weapon requires (especially after the 2.0 relic already required it in similar amount, and it was already hated back there). Having to do anything means we're forced to do it, and that should not happen - if a specific type of content is abandoned, that means there's something wrong with it, something which makes it not-fun, and that something should be fixed instead of ignored and given the "force the players to do it anyway" workaround. That's what my attitude would be if I was a dev, anyway (I think there was something about this too somewhere, a live letter, or a keynote or something? I'm not sure, but yeah).
On a sidenote, you're also at the point of being able to specialise, if I'm right... no wonder you have no issues with the specialist recipes.

Funny that every time I see someone vehemently defending the grind or the crafter aspect, it's always someone who just loves grinding ("I like it so you should too" / "I like it so I don't care"), always someone who's a crafter and can craft those things. Yeah.....

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So much anger. "Nice logical fallacy, bro" Haha.. gotta love the internet and the Philosophy 101 army that mans it. And no... only an idiot would play a GAME that is not fun. Kinda goes against the very nature of gaming. Have to question why anyone would do it. And no.. this is not the "world" as you say. Again... a game. Move on to the 100,000 other gaming titles on any other platform that might bring you just a smidge more enjoyment.

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How much time and money have you invested in this game? Personally I have invested a lot, for a long time. This isnt just any old game, this is a game that a lot of us have invested a lot in, and I think that gives us the right to care about the content that goes into it. To say "dont play a game thats not fun" is such a naive view of the situation, because I can guarantee that all of the complaints are from people who love this game, and are angry and fearful of not meeting the standards that it should.

Also, I have to wonder what kind of constructive argument that is, all you are doing is shutting down constructive feedback, good job you :)

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To say "dont play a game thats not fun" is such a naive view of the situation, because I can guarantee that all of the complaints are from people who love this game, and are angry and fearful of not meeting the standards that it should.

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This right here. Those who only want a game to have fun with - they simply leave if they don't get it. Those who dedicate so much energy, invest so much time in posting here, often even repeating the same unheard-but-already-said suggestions and opinions - those are the fans. Those are the ones who want to see the game soar higher, and that's why they're angry and agitated when they see the opposite happening and are completely helpless beyond voicing their opinions.

I find all the complaints humorous and childish. This is a game Its entertainment. If your not happy to do something else. You don't want to the grind, then don't grind. You don't like fate grind then don't run then. You act like its requirement for your existence to play this game. Get Job, go on a hike, spend time with family.

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I'm just going to say this. For whatever reason, my FC, LS's, server, open-worlds, instances, etc etc have been more lively than for such a long time ever since this relic dropped. I get that's it's the thing to complain about now. But if it was SE's intention to breathe some life into the world they created, than they succeeded admirably. If people really were hating it as much as they claim, they wouldn't be doing it. For chrissakes, it's not a job or a prison sentence. People can opt out. Which doesn't appear to be the case on my server. Just going by empirical evidence here in-game.

I really don't feel like debating the merits of this questline. IMO it's really no different than any other part pre-nerf. But my server is extremely active again. And for that... I'm kinda thankful.

Save the "white knight" BS please. I don't pretend to have anything to gain from voicing what is just my opinion.

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That may be the case for your community, but currently mine is the opposite. My free company, in which I founded on August 2013, is at an all time low, even lower than 2.53. There's zero motivation from my members to continue with savage or progress with their relic, and I'm trying desperately to breathe life into their satisfaction with the game. So I'm not calling you a liar, I'm simply saying your sample size may be too small to think that this patch brought life to the game.

I don't get the OP.

Either you:

are upset, in which case you are not going to forgive, because they haven't apologized or done anything to warrant forgiveness.

are not upset, in which case you don't have anything to forgive.



In regards to all the "unsub" "go play something else" "just don't do the relic" etc type posts. Most people are actually intelligent enough to be able to make these decisions for themselves, and they don't need you to say that to them. It's not a defense against their argument. If you actually have a defense or counter-argument, state that instead.

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I find all the complaints humorous and childish. This is a game Its entertainment. If your not happy to do something else. You don't want to the grind, then don't grind. You don't like fate grind then don't run then. You act like its requirement for your existence to play this game. Get Job, go on a hike, spend time with family.

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You say this like providing consumer feedback is a bad thing. It is actually a very useful thing in all forms of the service industry. I know when I worked for AT&T Wireless, they said their favourite customers were the ones who called in yelling about what they were upset about, and their least favourite were the ones who stayed quiet and just cancelled their service. This was because they could actually take the feedback from the loud customers and/or try to rectify the problem. The quiet ones are just lost business.

It is actually in the best interest of both the consumer and the business for the consumer to provide feedback.

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I'm just going to say this. For whatever reason, my FC, LS's, server, open-worlds, instances, etc etc have been more lively than for such a long time ever since this relic dropped. I get that's it's the thing to complain about now. But if it was SE's intention to breathe some life into the world they created, than they succeeded admirably. If people really were hating it as much as they claim, they wouldn't be doing it. For chrissakes, it's not a job or a prison sentence. People can opt out. Which doesn't appear to be the case on my server. Just going by empirical evidence here in-game.

I really don't feel like debating the merits of this questline. IMO it's really no different than any other part pre-nerf. But my server is extremely active again. And for that... I'm kinda thankful. .

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I worry that this is how SE interprets the data :(

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How much time and money have you invested in this game? Personally I have invested a lot, for a long time. This isnt just any old game, this is a game that a lot of us have invested a lot in, and I think that gives us the right to care about the content that goes into it. To say "dont play a game thats not fun" is such a naive view of the situation, because I can guarantee that all of the complaints are from people who love this game, and are angry and fearful of not meeting the standards that it should.

Also, I have to wonder what kind of constructive argument that is, all you are doing is shutting down constructive feedback, good job you :)

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Ok... I somewhat understand this stance. To answer your question, close to two years here. Yeah.. I've invested a lot. All grinds pre-nerf. Raiding. Building up social circles. More grinding... haha.

That being said, you're right. You've invested a lot into this game. As such, you feel that it owes you a bit in return. My only point being that there are soooooo many excellent games out there right now that if you wanted to take your business elsewhere, you might be better off for it. I know it may be hard because you have definitely put so much of your time into this one particular game, but the rides gotta end sometime, right? Why not pull off the band-aid when the game ceases to be fun? I know this isn't a popular opinion, but it certainly seems like the sane thing to do. I could understand if it was the only gaming experience on the market. But it's not.

A LOT of people are out making Eorzea feel alive again for the first time in a long time. I'm going to choose to look at the bright side of what so many others see as a crap sundae.

And I apologize if my initial posts seemed antagonistic. Guess I'm getting swept up in all the mayhem. Certainly not my intention.

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My only point being that there are soooooo many excellent games out there right now that if you wanted to take your business elsewhere, you might be better off for it.

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You are absolutely right, and that's what worries me. The people that love the game, but aren't so passionate have gone on to play Fallout 4, and other games and not looked back. What exactly does that mean for the health of this game? What we (the vocal complainers) want and know, is that walking away more likely means the games failure (big boss SE sees numbers failing and cuts budget and team size, leads to even more problems in the future) rather than making a statement. This is why we cry out, we want to tell them as loud as possible what can be done to improve our play experience. Doing that is worth it to us because we want to have the same enjoyment from the game as we used to, and we know that if some changes are made then we can.

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A LOT of people are out making Eorzea feel alive again for the first time in a long time. I'm going to choose to look at the bright side of what so many others see as a crap sundae.

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All I can really say is... good for them? I guess? A lot of people seem to throw around "vocal minority" and "the entire community" arbitrarily without knowing any facts, only SE knows the facts, and thats all that really matters at the end of the day. What I will say is that since 3.1 the world has felt a lot emptier, my FC and LS has less people online, queues for content are longer, and the game feels lonely and barrren, I certainly dont feel these players making Eorzea alive.

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And I apologize if my initial posts seemed antagonistic. Guess I'm getting swept up in all the mayhem. Certainly not my intention.

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I wanted to end on a good note, because I really respect you for saying this. My biggest gripe with 3.x is the rift that it has been formed between players. The amount of people that have been "offended"by reasonable complaints has astounded me, and to have you be fair about it is refreshing. Thanks ^^, and sorry too if anything I said seemed snarky or rude, my intention was simply to explain why people are upset, because it really is understandable

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I find all the complaints humorous and childish. This is a game Its entertainment. If your not happy to do something else. You don't want to the grind, then don't grind. You don't like fate grind then don't run then. You act like its requirement for your existence to play this game. Get Job, go on a hike, spend time with family.

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Very childish post.

What people like you conveniently ignore is that the people who complain care about the game and want it to succeed. You yes-sayers that eat up every crappy decision the dev team comes up with will be the death of this game.

I ain't forgiving anyone.

I care for my game and I do not like the state it has reached. New relic line sucks. It is pretty much forcing people to level crafting up because if we don't well market board will eat us alive, once again. Because player base are selfish.

Let's talk about raiding? Oh yeah! Alexander Savage! Nobody want Paladins because they don't do enough damage... just get your game up people! Thordan EX out? Everyone wants a Paladin now because it takes less damage! But huh...where are all the paladins gone to? Oh yeah... they switched to another class.

Sorry Devs I know you try but instead loosing time on developing "AFK Camera that zooms on random interactive objects." fix the real problems. SE, stop being lazy and give your game tools already. Why was live letter only in freaking Japanese again? When 3/4 of you player base speak English.

This game should be fun. Not an hassle. I remember logging on FFXI and FFXIV 1.0 "Do no forget about you family, life, school when you play!" and had to press okay. Now it's more like "Forget about everything because you need to grind for 16 hours a day if you want to enjoy your game and stuff."

I was never mad to begin with. I took a break to try other MMOs and came back screaming for sanctuary.

There are MMOs out there that don't even let you rearrange your hotbars. FFXIV even lets me change GC colors in PVP because I can't tell neon yellow and neon green apart very well, as minor a detail as it is (that most don't care about, let alone need).

<3 SE, just address the issues.