I'm a male healer and I don't want to dress like a girl

I thought the ironworks and Demon robe (albeit a bit less) were decent looking on male characters...

The scholar esoterics gear is quite masculine.

The problem is lack of variety in the gear in general in this game. Outside of dungeons/tomes SE just recolors and reuses the most boring things over and over instead of making varied and unique armor.

I realize more interesting gear comes from dungeons but that doesn't mean the following isn't true; especially when factoring in dungeon gear isn't dyeable.

Look at the AH.

How many caster pants do you see that aren't tights? How many DPS pants do you see that aren't sarouel? AND OMG THE BLIAUDS!! I don't think we need 500 of each of those armor types with a slightly different fringe. SE could have made an entirely new and unique piece from the frill changes on each bliaud alone.

Heavensward is a little better than ARR was about it.

/soapbox

Wearing High Allagan + Dread cuz of this. Dresses dont look good on my char :S

Another thought:

The T1-5 healer set looks pretty great on males too.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

What fresh hell is this!?!

The scansion of this sentence is assaulting.

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FFI : Original sprite was androgynous but later confirmed/changed to female. (1 female)
FFII : Minwu, while male he's wearing a skirt and bra (lol) (1male 1 female)
FFIII : Irrelevant due job system.
FFIV : Rosa Farrel and Porom are white mages and both females. (1 male 3 female)
FFV : Irrelevant due job system.
FFVI : Banon is a male white mage npc. (2 male 3 female)
FFVII : Aeris is a female white mage (2 male 4 female)
FFVIII : Irrelevant due job system
FFIX : Both garnet and eiko are white mages (2 male 6 female)
FFX : Yuna doubles as white mage and summoner (2 male 7 female)
FFX-2 : Pussy fest yo
FFXII : Irrelevant due job system
FFXIII : Vanille and the androgynous Hope take care of healing. (2 1/2 male 8 1/2 female)
FFXV : Sausage fest yo

I guess I'm one of the few who likes robes, even on my male character :/

The i180 crafted set is a spinoff of the WHM af/relic set from FFXI. It can give you that WHM-Y feel without a robe.

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...3b3a62e343.png

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/.../f5/WHM_AF.JPG

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

What's wrong with showing a little femininity? I'm a guy IRL but I am not 100% masculine. I don't think anyone is.

Women are not 100% feminine either. In fact in todays society it's encouraged for them to be tomboys. I wish us guys would stop trying to pretent to be ultra macho.

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Hey don't tell others how they should feel about their characters. People and their double standards.

I know it's from WoW, but still hilarious for this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

It's the same character, bahamut gives you a powerup.

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But after that upgrade, it's no longer a White Mage. It's a White Wizard. To continue the nitpicking ^_~

But I agree that the sprite for the WHW looks more male than female. As much as you can determine gender when it comes to flat-chested 8-bit sprites. (This could also be due to me preferring long hair on guys, of course.) In the end, however, I concur with the poster that said Shroedinger's Gender, at least when it comes to those earlier games, before the characters became... you know... actual characters with specific pronouns used by other PCs and NPCs.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I guess I'm one of the few who likes robes, even on my male character :/

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Nope, you're not the only one =D
But it does tend to be tiresome when 90% of all healer gear (and 80% of all caster gear) tends to be robes/skirts/dresses ^^; I like a good robe, but it would be nice with a little bit more variety in our options instead of just 'do I want this robe or that robe?'

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

I know it's from WoW, but still hilarious for this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w

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man, that guy is singing great. Thanks for the sharing!

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Originally Posted by mp-please

FFI : Original sprite was androgynous but later confirmed/changed to female. (1 female)
FFII : Minwu, while male he's wearing a skirt and bra (lol) (1male 1 female)
FFIII : Irrelevant due job system.

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The orginal version of FFIII all the charcters were male... and just wanna point out something. Here's the sprite: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...-WhiteMage.PNG

If the FFIII version is male... so is FFI. Your count is off.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

If the FFIII version is male... so is FFI. Your count is off.

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You lost me.
I just said that FFIII can't count because any gender can be any class as we can see by the NDS release of FFIII.
http://puu.sh/kkwDc.jpg

Secondly, FFI sprite was remade for the PSP which shows the white mage as female when she removes the hood. The sprite on the old SNES makes it impossible to tell as its a face on a robe.

http://puu.sh/kkvWX.png

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Unlike the other five jobs, which are all largely meant to be male, the gender of the White Mage class is never specified. Fans have typically asserted over the years that the character depicted is female, though the game sprites, particularly in earlier versions of the game, are androgynous, leaving the decision ultimately up to the player. This concern was finally addressed in the PSP port, where the promoted White Wizard is significantly "feminine" in comparison to the other sprites.

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/W...nal_Fantasy%29

Third and for the third time on this thread, YOSHIDA HIMSELF called FFI white mage female.

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The 'feminine' design of white mage gear

The design of the gear for white mages was not intended to have a 'feminine' look, specifically — rather, it was based on Final Fantasy I's iconic white mage, who happened to be a female character.

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http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2015/3463.html

Maybe you will get lucky when they create a new healer job.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/...76ddde2f_o.jpg


Make it less girly.

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LOL, I hate to point this out, but there was a time when those pants were so manly....MC Hammer wants them back now though. Also, a man's virility was once measured by the length of the Aladin toes on his shoes or the size of the neck ruff he could handle.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Maybe you will get lucky when they create a new healer job.

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New Healer job : Space Marine Medic

After brutal basic training and a swift trip through medical school (all 10 days), you are thrown into action on the front lines, with your fantastically macho build, shiny space armor and amazing hypospray of curing, you're ready for anything.
http://www.gamespresso.com/wp-conten...gearsofwar.jpg

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Originally Posted by mp-please

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No my point is you can't count the remake and the original as the same game.
FF1: original: Up to 4 males (Though 4 white mages is stupid)
FFIII: Original: up to 4 males. (See above)
FF1 Remake: Female. up to 4
FFIII Remake: 1 Female, 3 Males. (Dissida notably doesn't count this version!)

On the other hand, You can't count FFX-2 if you discount III and I, it has a job system. So either lower your female count... or raise the male one. (Though you need to raise it regardless. Hope doesn't count as a half. Also you didn't count lightning who has the medic role. Also also all the charcters can eventually learn it, though not as well)

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Originally Posted by Jorge6029

I'm still waiting for a cool healer gear design, that does not looks like made for female characters :( not all healers out there are females, you know

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Jeebus, I thought I was the ONLY one who felt like that. It's so annoying. I want my guy to look like a dude, not 9 months pregnant.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

On the other hand, You can't count FFX-2 if you discount III and I, it has a job system.

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Well, the list you're commenting on doesn't up the count on FFX-2, just comments that all the characters are female (similar to the sausage fest comment regarding FFXV). As for the ½ on FFXIII I think it counts that 1/2 (one out of two) main healers are female, and 1/2 main healers are male. But I agree that it would have been better to up both counts with 1 instead of ½ ^^ Yes, all characters can learn it, but as you said not as well. That game has clear paradigms suitable for the different characters, which makes it fair to take the ones with the highest aptitude for healing and call them healers/whms. In my opinion, mind you =D Didn't see the female count was upped by 1½, my mistake xD

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Originally Posted by mp-please

Secondly, FFI sprite was remade for the PSP which shows the white mage as female when she removes the hood. The sprite on the old SNES makes it impossible to tell as its a face on a robe.

http://puu.sh/kkvWX.png

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TBH, up until the very last sprite (the PSP version, I'm guessing), I'd still say it's either-or. The last one is more feminine, but could still (if the player wants it to be) be an effeminate man. I have the GBA version myself, and have had the WHM/WHW as both male and female when I've played the game; its gender has mostly depended on what naming theme I keep amongst the group as a whole.
(Also, I think you meant NES, not SNES, since FF1-3 were on the NES ^_~)

All it takes is a little creativity and you can make your character look good. I am very happy with my glamour, only reason I took the AF2 robe off is cause I like the pants more lol.

I may have missed one or two in XI, but the two WHM NPCs wearing the trademark outfit were male:


http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20080910131836
https://cdn.bg-wiki.com/images/7/74/Narcheral.jpg


But to add to the discussion here, I always get a strong vibe that SE intentionally molds WHM to be associated with effeminate details, and any changes for male characters come as an afterthought. Most FFXIV official art/promotional material have a female representing the WHM role (I've seen like, one concept art of a male in the original AF, which was mostly identical to the female with a different head and different proportions).

The healer/cleric set was fairly gender-neutral (until you see the leg/underwear gear that the robe hid anyway), so I think they did a decent job there. It's pretty clear that the developers wanted to design the Orison body piece on the "classic" WHM (classic meaning 'robe-touches-the-floor-classic), which you only get that feel from the back of the body piece and maybe the side (at the right angle). Personally, I don't mind the Orison robe-coat much; it's that ghastly head piece that everyone compares to something a nun would wear. However, after seeing the other headgear healers get in HW (Halonic/Chimerical Klobuk), it's not too surprising the devs made the Orison head piece look like... well, that.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

man, that guy is singing great. Thanks for the sharing!

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Here's another one of his.

https://youtu.be/3hgcy6bsg4g

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

(Also, I think you meant NES, not SNES, since FF1-3 were on the NES ^_~)

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Just typed it out of habit, i stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

FF1: original: Up to 4 males (Though 4 white mages is stupid)

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Your logic is flawed, it's literally impossible to tell the gender of a 27x18 pixel blob.
As a standalone i count the NES version as androgynous, not as a male or as female as there is nothing pointing out on a way or another, however the psp remake exists that points FFI sprite as female so that can't be ignored. It's not a spinoff work either so the character on the NES version are the same on the PSP version.

That however, doesn't apply to FFIII as the nds remake is completely different (character wise) to the NES counterpart.

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On the other hand, You can't count FFX-2 if you discount III and I, it has a job system. So either lower your female count... or raise the male one. (Though you need to raise it regardless.

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Once again, stop saying i'm counting stuff that i didn't. III, V, VIII, X-2 and XV weren't counted for their job systems and for their whole cast being of the same gender.

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Hope doesn't count as a half.

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That was a joke

Would have been nice if there were more metal armor-like gear for mages in general. Both the Law and Gordian gear for mages both have metal predominantly in their chest piece .... too bad they chose to make it into a one-piece robe.

Especially the Law gear since the leg piece is a skirt. So you're effective wearing a skirt inside a skirt ... makes no sense

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

(Also, I think you meant NES, not SNES, since FF1-3 were on the NES ^_~)

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NES sprite looks male from the side, female from the front.

To be fair though, it's a freaking 8 bit sprite. And it *really* looks female. I've thought that since I first saw it, and I *had* the NES release.

Are we seriously discussing the gender of a sprite from a game that's almost 30 years old

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Are we seriously discussing the gender of a sprite from a game that's almost 30 years old

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Like they say, game is pretty boring right now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

New Healer job : Space Marine Medic

After brutal basic training and a swift trip through medical school (all 10 days), you are thrown into action on the front lines, with your fantastically macho build, shiny space armor and amazing hypospray of curing, you're ready for anything.
http://www.gamespresso.com/wp-conten...gearsofwar.jpg

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Well, if we are gonna go the Space Marine Medic route, actually show one!

http://orig15.deviantart.net/454c/f/...us-d5c240m.jpg

Terrans got that shit on point, both for men and women.

All this talk of white mage gear from XI brings up a sore point for me: We didn't have any skirts in XI. ALL outfits had pants. ALL THE OUTFITS. ALL OF THEM. NO MATTER WHAT JOB.

Let me have my frilly dresses in this game at least.

(But if they want to bring back a design similar to the Noble's tunic from XI, which was gorgeous and gender neutral, I would not object at all.)

http://i.imgur.com/LIyG5.jpg

My healer...

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Originally Posted by myahele

Would have been nice if there were more metal armor-like gear for mages in general. Both the Law and Gordian gear for mages both have metal predominantly in their chest piece .... too bad they chose to make it into a one-piece robe.

Especially the Law gear since the leg piece is a skirt. So you're effective wearing a skirt inside a skirt ... makes no sense

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Actually that's one reason why I love the Daystar set. Looked good on both genders and the armored gloves and boots were awesome.

Then I guess you dislike BLM's that are males too then since they have to put on this "dress" (Hint, it's a robe.) Be glad your paladin isn't forced to wear one like some games do.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

http://i.imgur.com/LIyG5.jpg

My healer...

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That's also a cleric. White mages are more like priests than clerics.

Scholars could use more militaristic gear given their history, but beyond that?

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

NES sprite looks male from the side, female from the front.

To be fair though, it's a freaking 8 bit sprite. And it *really* looks female. I've thought that since I first saw it, and I *had* the NES release.

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^_^ Well, like I said, I could be biased since I enjoy long hair on guys. But it's still a matter of opinion -- no genders were given, no pronouns used regarding individual characters, so what the WHM/WHW has in their pants is entirely up to the player.

(As a side note, I made both BLM and WHM into female characters in my current playthrough, since I named them all after RP characters in a previous campaign I played. Technically the fighter/knight as well, since the character I named it after was a female transvestite.)

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Are we seriously discussing the gender of a sprite from a game that's almost 30 years old

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Yep =D

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

http://i.imgur.com/LIyG5.jpg

My healer...

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I want a healer like that...

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Yes! They could certainly take a page from Fire Emblem robes.


http://sosmedia.sunrise-tactics.de/a...s/fe7/pent.jpg

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We have a robe like this, the Valerian Shaman's Chasuble

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...e7ed814eab.jpg
Just change the pants.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

I know it's from WoW, but still hilarious for this topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w

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Here's another one of his.
https://youtu.be/3hgcy6bsg4g

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Cranius ftw.
Him and Legs made some of the best machinima for music. :D

My WHM is the only one of the healers wearing a "robe" atm, due to him wearing the Ironworks gear for levelling. But otherwise, I have my SCH in a suit, and AST is currently wearing the Woad Skydruid's stuff. There is a fair amount of robe options if you're looking in JUST gear for WHM, but expand to the "all classes" gear used for glamours, crafting and gathering, and you've got a lot of options atm :D

Whenever I see someone complain about being a caster class and having to wear a robe, I chuckle. Why? Because of this video Big Blue Dress. Different game but it's totally applicable.

And I see that someone has already linked the video. Ha!

Though, more attire options, don't consist of a skirt/robe/dress are always welcome.

Field Commanders set maybe? It's more like a long jacket than a robe.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ykz3p0.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/14t7sib.png