My Experience With Alexander Normal Yesterday As A Tank

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

There are literally dozens of streamers that state they're spoiler free, or give warnings when they can't avoid it. That's an awful excuse.

Here's Mizz - http://www.youtube.com/user/MTQcapture/videos

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And considering all the spoilery crap is in cut scenes...

But no, if you want to caster LB the two bosses on A1, do it when they come down from the jump. They both are RIGHT NEXT to each other until they're repositioned.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

And considering all the spoilery crap is in cut scenes...

But no, if you want to caster LB the two bosses on A1, do it when they come down from the jump. They both are RIGHT NEXT to each other until they're repositioned.

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You have to time it though. For about 2-3 seconds after landing they are still un-targetable and won't take damage if it hits then.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

You have to time it though. For about 2-3 seconds after landing they are still un-targetable and won't take damage if it hits then.

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LB3 has a cast time.

If you start casting it right as they land, you'll hit.

If you have lb3 you can hit them when they're spread out. If you have lb1-2 it's easier to just use melee on the one with lower higher health.

Edit: sry for the typo, but cmon my point was obvious

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

If you have lb3 you can hit them when they're spread out. If you have lb1-2 it's easier to just use melee on the one with lower health.

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Using melee LB on the one with lower health has resulted in more wipes than any other use of the LB I've seen, including not using it at all. It's better to use it on the one with higher health so you don't insta-enrage the one with 5-10% left.

@OP - it's kind of rude to not watch a video and then expect people to explain mechanics. :/

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

Went to A2, told them I was new, no respond (was made mostly of frenchies so no surprise), got kicked after 2nd failed attempt, went in again with different DF group, got it down from 1st time.

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Just because some people are Frenchies or Japanese or whatever that's not American doesn't make them to automatically shut their mouths.

I've seen a lot of 'Murica that are silent as hell, only to open their mouths to.. *shocks* flame when it's failing. <-- see the trend here?

So you have a biased view, no wonders we have so many interesting encounters in PuGs.. >.<

Glad you were able to meet good peeps that were helpful along the way. Hope you'll do the same for me and every new 'first' when we"ll be joining you for Alexander, one day.

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

Went to A2, told them I was new, no respond (was made mostly of frenchies so no surprise), got kicked after 2nd failed attempt, went in again with different DF group, got it down from 1st time.

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I find the frenchies stereotypical comment highly ignorant, and the ignorance probably went both ways considering they were paired with a guy named "arabian wolf"

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Just because some people are Frenchies or Japanese or whatever that's not American doesn't make them to automatically shut their mouths.

I've seen a lot of 'Murica that are silent as hell, only to open their mouths to.. *shocks* flame when it's failing. <-- see the trend here?

So you have a biased view, no wonders we have so many interesting encounters in PuGs.. >.<

Glad you were able to meet good peeps that were helpful along the way. Hope you'll do the same for me and every new 'first' when we"ll be joining you for Alexander, one day.

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And what makes you think the OP is American.... Not all of us are ignorant and I doubt an American would be called arabian wolf

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

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I'll let you take your own advice and direct you to Google to investigate various styles of information retention and learning. Not everybody picks up a new skill through reading text or watching a video - others need to actually experience things first hand and then learn how to do something correctly.

As a tank myself I'm rather happy to explain tactics if need be since it serves as a refresher for myself - especially if I'm tackling content I haven't touched in a while - and because it usually results in a smoother run than letting new players run in blind. Paying careful attention to the 'new player bonus' is important - if I don't see it then I don't bother asking if anybody is new.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Lol, no? These are about as braindead easy as it gets. Here, step-by-step on what tank needs to do per turn:
A1) Voke the add (Or main boss, depending on the other tank). Take it to the other side.

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Wipe. Did not explain enough, aggro'd adds like a good tank. Got shrunk. WUT DO.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

A2) Grab adds, bring them together. Pop some buffs on Jagds.

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Wipe. Did not explain enough. Cleaved group. Aggro'd all adds, and died. WUT DO.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

A3) Pretend you're a DPS (Chances are the other tank knows whats up).
If not: Face Man away from group. Face Hand towards Group.

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Wipe. Did not explain enough. Healers died to tether. Add came (also a hand!) and I faced towards group. WUT DO.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

A4) If MT: Just Tank, maybe help grab balls. Pop a buff for Discoid in last Phase. If OT: Get ready to duo an add. Also help grab balls.

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Wipe. Did not explain enough. Touched healers while grabbing balls and got a debuff that I spread to the melee. WUT DO.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Oh look, took me about 10 secs per Turn, must be hardz.

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Oh look I wiped every turn because you didn't explain enough. Must be hardz. SE nerf normal Alex nao!

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Touched healers while grabbing balls and got a debuff that I spread to the melee. WUT DO.

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This makes me giggle uncontrollably for some reason. It's the gift that keeps on giving!

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

This makes me giggle uncontrollably for some reason. It's the gift that keeps on giving!

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Funny, since spreading it is supposedly how A4S is supposed to work.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Wipe. Did not explain enough, aggro'd adds like a good tank. Got shrunk. WUT DO.

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DPS at fault. Grab faster.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Wipe. Did not explain enough. Cleaved group. Aggro'd all adds, and died. WUT DO.

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Healer at fault. Cleave nonfatal.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Wipe. Did not explain enough. Healers died to tether. Add came (also a hand!) and I faced towards group. WUT DO.

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Other tank at fault. Blame for tether, and reluctance to grab both hands and MT the whole encounter like a man.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Wipe. Did not explain enough. Touched healers while grabbing balls and got a debuff that I spread to the melee. WUT DO.

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This is okay because I never need to do A4 again.

If a healer is blamed because they couldn't heal through a nonfatal cleave that should have been avoided in the first place, then I guess they should also be blamed for DPS dying to non-fatal dodgeable AoEs. Positioning is a tank's role. If someone in the group dies due to lack of correct positioning, it is NOT the healer's fault.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Sure, let's go with that. Because that will in no way backfire or make them lose more time than spending the oh so dreadful 10 or so seconds it'll take to type out what to do.



He actively stated he is new. It's not like he's covering his ears and going la la la. That is about as far as his responsibility goes as a new player in story content.

And yes. I'll blame anyone not speaking up when a new player asks for help. Because the opposite of speaking up is not doing anything and wiping - which is quite honestly stupid.

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If I actively state that I only perform actions that people say in chat, is it OK if I do that? I mean it's inconvenient for other people, but I did tell them in advance, so they better do it.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

not an official thread til Selli is present \o/

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Please don't encourage her!

What spoilers are there on watching the Alex bossfights in a video anyway? None of them have anything directly to do with the meager 'story' going on in there.

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

DPS at fault. Grab faster.

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Grabbed adds faster. Still shrunk. Then a bomb blew us up. WUT DO

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Healer at fault. Cleave nonfatal.

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Cleaved second tank too. He kept yelling something about stacks. WUT DO

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Other tank at fault. Blame for tether, and reluctance to grab both hands and MT the whole encounter like a man.

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Other tank also following this guy's instructions. WUT DO. (P.S. Instructions did not mention tether)

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

This is okay because I never need to do A4 again.

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I still need A4. WUT DO

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Originally Posted by Lethallin

What spoilers are there on watching the Alex bossfights in a video anyway? None of them have anything directly to do with the meager 'story' going on in there.

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Bur they tell me I'm fighting robots and goblins and water! Clearly spoilers!

Interesting how the opinions on the expectations of DF vs PF have completely flipped in the last 4-5 months.
Back then the vast majority of posters touted DF as the new player territory and experienced players should expect to have to explain fights or go form a PF group so they could have a flawless quick run.
My how times have changed...

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

Went to A2, told them I was new, no respond (was made mostly of frenchies so no surprise), got kicked after 2nd failed attempt, went in again with different DF group, got it down from 1st time.

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And then Americans wonder why some people don't like them. You know, a country other than the US?

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Originally Posted by dank1

And what makes you think the OP is American.... Not all of us are ignorant and I doubt an American would be called arabian wolf

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Not because his character name is Arabian that makes him Arab, else I'd be in a whole new world myself ^^

The majority =/= The entirety.

Would be curious to see who he is now hehehe

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

Interesting how the opinions on the expectations of DF vs PF have completely flipped in the last 4-5 months.
Back then the vast majority of posters touted DF as the new player territory and experienced players should expect to have to explain fights or go form a PF group so they could have a flawless quick run.
My how times have changed...

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That still stands true for story content, and other easy content.
Alex is quite a bit different.

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Originally Posted by Train88

And then Americans wonder why some people don't like them. You know, a country other than the US?

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Oh look, someone else assuming OP is from the US on the basis of him making a discriminatory remark.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Grabbed adds faster. Still shrunk. Then a bomb blew us up. WUT DO

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Not you, silly. The DPS needs to claim faster.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Cleaved second tank too. He kept yelling something about stacks. WUT DO

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Mechwarrior pilot at fault. Debuff gobwalker so it dies before stacks are a threat.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Other tank also following this guy's instructions. WUT DO. (P.S. Instructions did not mention tether)

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Maintain original position that other tank is at fault.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

I still need A4. WUT DO

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Yea a lot of people are doing alex normal for their weekly drop so they might have to do it 4-5 times to get their drop and prob don't want to explain the fight each time, so I understand where they coming from. The easiest way is do what you did, ask a friend or FC member to go with you and explain what you need to do.

When I was farming Alex NM, i was setting up PF groups because duty finder was getting pretty annoying.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

If I actively state that I only perform actions that people say in chat, is it OK if I do that? I mean it's inconvenient for other people, but I did tell them in advance, so they better do it.

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Sure, but purposely gimping yourself is no-where near the same territory as under-performing because you don't know any better. One is not knowing the fight, the other is active trolling. But by all means go and make a fool of yourself if you think you are proving some kind of point.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Sure, but purposely gimping yourself is no-where near the same territory as under-performing because you don't know any better. One is not knowing the fight, the other is active trolling. But by all means go and make a fool of yourself if you think you are proving some kind of point.

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Obviously you don't understand the point of an analogy. In no way are they supposed to represent identical things, but used to illustrate a point through commonality. In this case, the point is that just because you say something about it, it doesn't make it OK to be inconvenient to others. In order to make the point clear, I used an exaggerated analogy. Unfortunately, it appears it made it less clear for you :(

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Not because his character name is Arabian that makes him Arab, else I'd be in a whole new world myself ^^

The majority =/= The entirety.

Would be curious to see who he is now hehehe

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It's definitely a much better indication than randomly calling him American without ANY indication that he is, the people calling him an American are definitely showing some sort of American resentment by assuming Americans are the only people who bad mouth other countries and being blinded by it and not even reading content just assuming.

While I despise the watch video first mentality that surrounds this game, it is what it is. The nature of the game makes it this way. What is the difference in a video teaching you a fight or another player texting you how to do the fight? Nothing, either way someone is helping you know the fight. Going into a group of random people and expecting them to spend their time teaching you a fight from scratch is completely unrealistic. Its just the way this game tends to be. Run with people who have a similar mindset, or just take a few minutes and watch a guide.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

Why are you relying on someone else to tell you how to do it when you're already in the instance? Five minutes on youtube will save them the time of explaining, and won't make your attempt any less valid - you're still being told by someone else how to do it.

Put some effort in o_0

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this, i dont mind explaining once or twice but the least you can do is watch a video for a raid/trial

woooolf I would come with you, I went full friend group with my main character, but with Aelya I am trying to get in with DF; ^O^/ (still missing a2, a3, a4 with her)
But gratz on taking it down!

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

this, i dont mind explaining once or twice but the least you can do is watch a video for a raid/trial

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When the content is still super new I don't mind them not bothering, because often there aren't good guides for all roles immediately.

A month or so in? Yeah. Either watch one or man up and admit you're the new guy.

Nothing more annoying than wiping because my co tank or the healers are new, don't ask for help, don't watch videos and don't say a damn thing. Then proceed to ragequit.

Had a group do that on story Ravana earlier. Other tank held a few of us hostage after the wipe, "no cary no party" and aggrod the boss to keep us from dropping to require.

Ended up reporting his ass and getting a mostly FC run to get the new I was with(who did watch a video) their kill.

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Originally Posted by sayafrost

woooolf I would come with you, I went full friend group with my main character, but with Aelya I am trying to get in with DF; ^O^/ (still missing a2, a3, a4 with her)
But gratz on taking it down!

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Thank you very much,

Sure thing man just pop a /tell and I can help you & Aelya with that, I still need my weekly loot.

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

A hello from a what many consider ingame and here a noob tank which I am proud of because there's a gigantic room to improve myself....

Went to A2, told them I was new, no respond (was made mostly of frenchies so no surprise)...

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Think of this as a bigger picture. SE started to include more depth in mechanics to this so called Story Mode of Alexander.
For those who basically only tank and spank, spam random heal, or blatantly dps without learning more to optimize their rotations to their level 60. You are "intended" to improve, by any means, causing a wipe to the group if you don't meet the tanking/healing/dps check.

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Originally Posted by Sully

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Maybe not...the OP is from European world, so he may just have worded that poorly and meant he expects to encounter mostly French players? idk

This is nothing, the first time I tired A4 was before ESO gear was out. I went in, said I was new and didn't know the fight, we wiped because someone marked one of the adds with "1" so as a DPS I naturally attacked it first, (and so did everyone else now that I think about it, because the other two adds came over as well). Immediately after I was kicked with no warning. I was enraged and made a rant thread on here, which I rarely do, but in the end stuff like that happens. For whatever reason, people in the DF will want to instantly get enraged if everyone doesn't know what they're doing from the start, and it's rare that people don't kick someone or vote to abandon after just an attempt or two, regardless of the circumstances.....

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

Maybe not...the OP is from European world, so he may just have worded that poorly and meant he expects to encounter mostly French players? idk

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Or it could have mostly been a "no one reacted to the statement I made in English, because most of them were French non-English speakers" comment.

As for his name... This is an Arabian wolf. (For those who can't be bothered to click the link, it's a sub-species of grey wolf, found in the Arabian peninsula.) In other words, his name most likely has nothing to do with where he's from.

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Originally Posted by Arabian_Wolf

I never saw a PF for Alex normal so only option for me was to DF it.

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Best thing is to make your PF and include first timers. It doesn't take more than 3 hours to learn all the turns without watching a video.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

To be fair, I'm not too fond of the A2 "bring them together"....since some of them buff others' defence or magic defence (Hardhelm/Hardmind, respectively).

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Doesn't matter what you're fond of or not. Only facts matter. If you bring them together and they're are stunned in time and debuffed accordingly they won't buff anything. That requires someone who knows how to use the car. It should also be the melee with the lowest AoE capabilities, which always lead to ninja if there's one in your party or monk if it's the only melee or if the combo is drg+mnk.