After going through the patch notes this is the only thing that I don't like. It makes no sense. "Choose what GC you wan't, don't worry about any other factor in your choice" then they have the gall to add this crap? Completely ridiculous.
Same GC Ifrit killers gets better reward
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10-01-2011, 03:03 AMVesper
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10-01-2011, 03:05 AMTeknoman
True it probably would've been a better decision to reward cooperation of different companies, but the "greater" rewards probably wont matter that much.
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10-01-2011, 03:05 AMBelial
If it affects drop rate that's still a pretty vicious jab to those who want to join whatever company. If they want to pull this whole "casual-friendly, fair for all" card, they're gonna have to follow suit. But as seems to be the common theory, and what I hope is true, is greater gains in company seals, gil, etc. That I could care less about. But better drop rates, different items, things of the nature, need to be squashed ASAP.
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10-01-2011, 03:06 AMRoyal
Any MMO there is always eltism and as such the path of least resistance will be used to gear what they need. If an entire GC group:
1) Affects the total number of drops; people will run it to get all of their gear sooner
2) Affects the % rate of drops; people will still run it to get the gear sooner
3) Affects dark matter or gil; nobody cares
4) Earn more company seals. If company seals eventually can give us good endgame gear, people will want an all GC group. This may not be relevant for 1.19 but maybe in the future as we get more ranks.
5) gets new different loot.
These are the only 5 I could come up with. 4 of the 5 would promote all GC groups. 1 wouldn't which begs the question if it is just dark matter or gil why the hell would you even bother with this type of reward. It has to be significant enough to mention in patch notes. -
10-01-2011, 03:09 AMBigglesworth
It would make sense if the "greater reward" was just more grand company seals. More seals to a team consisting entirely of one company would make sense. I feel however, any greater "gear" reward is based strickly on how the battle is won, and not what company is represented most at the battle.
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10-01-2011, 03:11 AMFiosha_Maureiba
Gotta keep this thread hot, because I think this will be important in how people assemble groups based on how this is answered.
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Players in-game sometimes have different mentalities when assembling a party. Like in Ul'dah, when people are looking for a tank in and you skip up to them as this happy marauder, thinking you're some kind of happy tank person just because you held enmity on a couple dozen leves while partying before. Then realize when they said tank, they really meant gladiator.
Or in FFXI at English launch when they shout, looking for White Mage in Jeuno, you prance up, get to the destination, then they ask, "Why aren't you using the Erase spell during these crawler fights?" "Because I don't have it." "LOL!" *booted*
And I'm thinking, "Aren't I better than nothing?"
The answer for those party leaders is "No." Nothing would be better.
And I feel it in my caboose, it's gonna happen again with Ifrit. Shouting in Ul'dah for an Ifrit party, you join up, someone eventually does a check on you, discover your grand company allegiance, and then it's Red Sauce on Pasta time for you. Not everyone is going to do it, but there's people out there that have the mindset that could do just that. -
10-01-2011, 03:13 AMJinko
I really doubt they have different armor and weapon items designed just for people who go in with the same companies, its most likely just Company seals and a bit of extra gil. (I hope)
Why would they have just one goblin in Thanalan to purge materia its a bit senseless, just clone the NPC and stick him in each cities. (This is bullshit SE, fix it)
I agree with the poster above me, SE are underestimating the elitist mentality if they think its not going to matter. -
10-01-2011, 03:15 AMnaaros
I was planning on joining the Gridania Grand Company, but after reading that, I'm very hesitant. I fear people will be shouting "Looking for Uldah GC people to do Ifrit, others please do not reply!" :( If the rewards are just seals, gil, or Dark Matter, then whatever, that's fine. If it's actual gear, then there's going to be a problem.
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10-01-2011, 03:31 AMEskIf this happens its an easy fix for SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by naaros
Make the lowest and lower population GC get a greater reward bonus respectively (But im sure it will be seals/gil and so on not anything too important they cant be that dumb) .
And go with the tradeable items from the GC store.. Meaning the UL ones will be worth a lot less then others..
Giving new players at Ps3 pause to think before just going with Flames.
Its a slow fix to a possible issue but a good one over time. -
10-01-2011, 03:52 AMRaikki
This is pretty infuriating after all the assurances that we could join "whatever grand company we liked best". So I guess everyone gets to spend the next few days trying to convince all their friends to join the grand company they want to join. It'd be nice if we got a quick clarification that the bonus wasn't anything major, but it's already Saturday in Japan so we can't even hope to get a reply on this until Monday, the day before the patch.
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10-01-2011, 03:56 AMFiosha_MaureibaYoshida is still lurking around as of two hours ago. And Saturday is still a work day for Japan... (unless something changed that I don't know about) for better or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raikki
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10-01-2011, 04:00 AMOMEGA_HACK
The don't post on the weekends. was the point I believe.
Also, just join whatever one you want, really just join your FAVORITE AND MORE APPEALING TO YOU. Stop trying to be elitists before the content is even out. I'm going to enjoy the game, and get to see the war unfold unlike half of the population in Eorzea, and I find that pretty damn awesome.
HAIL GRIDANIA! First and last line of defense, tremble before the magicks of the wood! Get lost in the magicks of the wood! Perish from the magicks of the wood! Rejoice in the magicks of the wood! HAIL GRIDANIA! -
10-01-2011, 04:03 AMReaujien
Hopefully what they meant by this is that there would be an increased chance that the quantity of drops would be greater, and not the quality of drops. Also, I further hope it doesn't mean to resemble what it currently takes to get the sword or bow from Darkhold - having to beat it w/in 25 mins from entering or there's absolutely no other way you will get those items. I'm all for timed events, but I feel that whether or not you obtain rewards should be gauged on whether or not you complete it and not whether or not you complete it "fast".
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10-01-2011, 04:06 AMAsterBarnivereNo one is being elitists, it's this announcement concerning the "Better Items" if you join a "certain" GC with a "certain" # of people, that is sparking the "Elitism". Which people are worried about, because those who joined the other two companies (and not the one in Ul'Dah, are now going to be f*cked over and now have no actual reason to be in the company of their choice if one is being favored over LL and Grid's GC.Quote:
Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK
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10-01-2011, 04:25 AMOMEGA_HACK
Well why do people all join uldah? Because everyone has the mind set of "Uldah is the best place to be" (Airships and Anima beg to differ), honestly Uldah is fine to have as a merchant hub, but its the players that are combining merchant with everything else in this game. Yes by saying that everyone is going to join Uldah (even though you have no idea) only perpetuates the idea of joining Uldah even if you are saying to not join Uldah BECAUSE it will be overcrowded only perpetuates the idea of joining Uldah.
Catch my drift?
So like I said just join the 1kCo. that you think you will enjoy the most (storyline wise, content wise, reward wise). You aren't going to get new and exclusive loot from being all in the same company, you'll probably just get either double the chance to obtain the weapons (meaing either: double drops [2 swords] or double the drop rate [50% drop rate instead of 25%]) And this is coming from a veteran XI player, SE likes to make it sound more grand than is it...
I wouldn't let it bother you or affect your choices too much if any at all. 2 cents. -
10-01-2011, 04:26 AMgoonMagiyes please, IMMORTAL FLAMES 4 LIFEQuote:
Originally Posted by Aenarion
edit: my LS had rumor that you could also use at least 1 of each GC members and get some type of bonus? is this false? Because they only mentioned everyone from 1 in the patch notes. Thanks for the info guys -
10-01-2011, 04:27 AMRaikkiDarkhold in 25 mins didn't turn out to be too much of a problem, though it was still dumb to put 2 of the weapons in that chest when the rest of the classes got their weapons from much easier conditions. This has the potential to be much worse though because people's permanent choices in companies can't be overcome with skill. That's why we're all hoping it's just a few seals or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaujien
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10-01-2011, 04:29 AMEstellios
If you are afraid your friends will throw you under a bus for these weapons (that by the way will most likely be as good or a little weaker than fully materia'd crafted weapons) then you probably need to find new friends. That or you yourself are willing to do it.
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10-01-2011, 04:33 AMVesperHas nothing to do with friends, has to do with everyone else. Not everyoen can ALWAYS play with friends. Sometimes you need to do a pug and this is where the biggest concern is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
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10-01-2011, 04:34 AMEstellios
Well it seems to me that the only people that would really care about it THAT MUCH would be the hardcores that probably would stay within their LS 100% of the time anyway. So many people are in dislike of the idea that I doubt anyone here would turn someone away.
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10-01-2011, 05:00 AMFiosha_Maureiba
Omega, if some of us didn't experience some kind of whiplash before, I don't think we would be posting this. Not all the players will be as open-minded as you on this.
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I picked Ul'dah at launch, because it seemed to make the most sense for my character. An open trade city that wasn't too prejudiced of outsiders with "Oh you greenwrath scum with your woodsin, take your dark magicks and your tree-chopping axe and split your arse in twain, but don't forget to wear this half mask." or going "Ar' matey, me sweet lass, load me cannon, climb me mast, t'aving ventures beyond, then avast."
It's this desert that people didn't really like. Limsa was the "where it's at" place with their blacksmiths, armorers, sheep with the wind shards, and the whole, "I've been around since Beta, Limsa 4 Life". And somehow... Ul'dah became the new "in"-city. I *want* the other cities to call to people, but they aren't calling to people like Ul'dah calls to people, and it appears it's not restricted to just my server.
And we're mostly concerned that because Ul'dah is the most populated city and most populated wards that it will become the most populated company. And if this announcement is not clarified, it may become the most populated company out of fear and loot chances, which in turn, impacts cross-company parties more than it ever should have. -
10-01-2011, 05:07 AMEstellios
Ul dah became the most populated city because it's in the middle, the story brings you there eventually, and for a very long time the leves were extremely exploitable and stupid fast XP. Personal preference had nothing to do with it, although I personally like it the best.
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10-01-2011, 05:10 AMYumi_Hibiki
according to the connect!on interview summary Reinheart Translated you get the same benefit if you have all 3 companys in a party as you get when all of the party are from the same.
heres Reinhearts full post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post356556Quote:
When everyone from same company you get bonus as well as when you have 3 different countries grand company members
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10-01-2011, 05:12 AMPrettyPrincessOh so it's all equal then? Something has been lost in translation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki
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10-01-2011, 05:14 AMRoyal
I'm sure we're overreacting, but its the not knowing that drives me crazy. Why be vague. I understand the vagueness is sometimes to keep the story secret and the spoilers minimized but for something like this?? Just TELL us.
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10-01-2011, 05:14 AMViridiana
Question: I've noticed a lot of you saying that you really, really don't want to join the Immortal Flames, but you worry you'll have to in order to get groups. Even if this is the case (and I really hope it's just gil/seals/DM/whatever), it seems like enough people are sick and tired of Uldah that you could convince your LS or your friends to all join a different one instead. I know if my LS leadership asked us all to join the same GC, I'd immediately say that the Immortal Flames can go die in a fire. >_>
Not saying this will work for everyone (it won't), but surely not everyone's in a hopeless situation. . . -
10-01-2011, 05:15 AMgoonMagican a dev please confirm this? The patch notes only talks about 1 of the scenariosQuote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki
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10-01-2011, 05:44 AMRentahamsterYes, some clarification would be nice. This is very important. The Bayohne signal shines brightly in the Eorzean sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by neizero
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10-01-2011, 05:48 AMCycloptichornUl'dah is the best for one simple reason: it has the best, easiest and fastest to navigate layout of all the cities. It's by FAR the easiest city to get in and out of; you have to run for 30 seconds or more to hit the field in either other city! In Ul'Dah, it's as little as 5 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba
The distance between all the things I like to do in Ul'dah is far less than in the other cities... from a looks point of view, LL is the best by far. But Ul'Dah rules and always will!! -
10-01-2011, 05:49 AMAltera
I am also a bit worried about this, cause I was going to go for Gridanias GC for the CNJ and PUG weapons and such + since I am from Norway, I absolutly love the forest more then a desert^^ Limsa Lominsa is also something I prefer with its coastal ocean looks. So having to pick Uldah and sacrifice my personal favorites, to not be shunned when people are making groups for Ifrit.
Hope the "bonuses" isnt that much worth from keeping people to choose their favorite GC^^ -
10-01-2011, 06:03 AMTeknomanIts not a rumor, Triary and another rep stated that you would be bonuses (dunno where they apply though) if you complete quests with members of other companies. Was also in Reinhart's translation thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by goonMagi
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10-01-2011, 06:06 AMEcho
My bad, didn't see this thread.
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10-01-2011, 06:23 AMDelsus
Ok let me lay out how ambiguous the "greater rewards" term is.
1 sword is a greater reward than 0 swords.
10k gil is a greater reward than 10 gil.
5 grade 5 DM is a greater reward than 3 grade 5 DM.
1 spear and 1 bow is a greater reward than 1 spear.
3000 company seals is greater than 1000 company seals.
10k exp is a greater reward than 5k exp.
You see where I am going, people jumping to conclusions could completly mess their game up what if the greater reward is weapon drops, its harsh but if you dont think that you may never get ifrit gear and the only option is a re-roll and you loose 1 years work, or you may have to leave your ls if they want single GC runs in which case you could be loosing friends you have made over the last year. I for one will not commit to a specific GC until this is clarified.
Because of this we NEED a response before the patch Bayhone or Rukkiri save us from this speculation and potentially making the wrong choice. -
10-01-2011, 06:27 AMCptnGamble
Very dumb move by SE.
Expect to see this alot:
"LFM Ifrit fight, IF GC only thnx!"
I understand the concept, and the concept is cool, if there wasn't a massive population imbalance present in the game coupled with low server population. Rethink implementing this concept for a later patch, not hard you do it for everything else. -
10-01-2011, 06:28 AMPrettyPrincess
Please also note these are NOT the final patch notes. Come patch day we will see the finished ones.
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10-01-2011, 06:29 AMBruceyBruceyBangBang
Perhaps they could mean that you get better quest reward if all members hold the same company mission rather than the chest rewards.
That could be a possibility too. -
10-01-2011, 06:31 AMPrettyPrincessOh yeah never thought of that :OQuote:
Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang
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10-01-2011, 06:31 AMRentahamsterThis is why.Quote:
Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-How-to-Fix-It
There are myriad reasons why and they all self-reinforce each other. -
10-01-2011, 06:38 AMneizeroThis reminds me of FFXIV beta times... "guys, this is just beta, on release day all the laggy menus will be gone!" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess
Anyway, I really don't care if they decide to implement it so that if mixed GC group gets moko grass and all from the same GC get rank 60 legendaries, this is a huge exageration of course but my point is all I want is to know ahead of time so I can decide my GC accordingly ^^ -
10-01-2011, 06:39 AMTeknomanQuote:
Originally Posted by CptnGamble
Anyway, I really don't care if they decide to implement it so that if mixed GC group gets moko grass and all from the same GC get rank 60 legendaries, this is a huge exageration of course but my point is all I want is to know ahead of time so I can decide my GC accordingly ^^[/QUOTE]
Check out some of the last page, might not be that way.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post356556