Is it me, or is DRK really isn't that super great, nor super bad.

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Originally Posted by Violette

Unfortunately, DA-Dark Dance will reduce the effectiveness of blood price, lower blows and reprisal, which I find baffling. Why not make DA-DD increase physical defence along with parry? Or even like 80% parry like the drg's have.

And as said, our sentinel is lame. Why Yoshi-p san ;(

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Cause we can't be carbon copies of Paladin! That's why <3

During the duration of Dark Dance, chances are Reprisal is on CD anyway(because they feel like 30 seconds was necessary when we rely on procs to make it work...). I can admit Blood Price being ineffective during this time, but when it comes down to single target hitting, it's normally not THAT big a deal when you're running Delirium/Soul eater combo 95% of the time. Single target has never been huge on MP because there's nothing big to blow MP on outside of Dark Arts itself.

Edit: But this is just personal experience. Thoughts liable to change once I actually get end game content. at 60 </3

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

Cause we can't be carbon copies of Paladin! That's why <3

During the duration of Dark Dance, chances are Reprisal is on CD anyway(because they feel like 30 seconds was necessary when we rely on procs to make it work...). I can admit Blood Price being ineffective during this time, but when it comes down to single target hitting, it's normally not THAT big a deal when you're running Delirium/Soul eater combo 95% of the time. Single target has never been huge on MP because there's nothing big to blow MP on outside of Dark Arts itself.

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But if every class was pld, Hallowed Ground for days!

Maybe i just dont understand whats your problem is...i dont feel any difference to my war...i only need to use my various tools for more active mitigation ._.°

Maybe it's because im used to it from Deathknight? XD

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Originally Posted by BadRNG

I don't think you are accounting for the difference between Syphon and Spinning's potencies, when you do Delirium chain is actually higher potency than Power, if only by 10 . Using it gets you syphon though which means more DA SE, much higher potency than any other chain. So Power's DA effect is still pretty useful.

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actually i might have missed the slightly overall higher dmg (even though it's just an average of 3,3 potency per attack). I guess when you really need that damage. good call anyway. thanks


@Tila: Unleash is centered around you without the need of a target so it's always nice for the start to group up the mobs. After that Abyssal Drain is better ya, especially boostet. the higher mp cost is easily manageable through blood price. probably my favorite skill. Can't wait for Carve and Spit and everything else that comes with Lv60 though.

Edit: Dark Passenger is nice too, with DA. pretty good damage aoe. but the blind doesn't aline well with blood price (just like the DA of Dark Dance... synergy where are you?)

Anyone at 60 or close to it notice a big difference in tankiness with more gear that has higher parry?

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

To be fair, DRK do lack their tankiness. but they are more liable to -evade- damage altogether if they're using Dark Arts with Dark Dance. They do have their own Rampart and Sentinel~ Can naturally heal themselves without losing too much MP(Dark Arts + Soul Eater). By no means do this make them 'Tankier', even I feel like Dark Knights are soft when I'm going through content. It really does baffle me sometimes.

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DRK relies more on pushing def cooldowns when needed, even when not in danger. They have a lot of buttons essentially, and one should always be getting used. They have the parry, the blind, the two flat percentage decreases, and the various uses of dark arts which cant be sustained without blood weapon (so I dont think you're supposed to have full sustain). The problem lies in that WAR and PLD dont have to entirely rely on their CDs, so when the shit really hits the fan, they're in a good spot.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

@Tila: Unleash is centered around you without the need of a target so it's always nice for the start to group up the mobs. After that Abyssal Drain is better ya, especially boostet. the higher mp cost is easily manageable through blood price. probably my favorite skill. Can't wait for Carve and Spit and everything else that comes with Lv60 though.

Edit: Dark Passenger is nice too, with DA. pretty good damage aoe. but the blind doesn't aline well with blood price (just like the DA of Dark Dance... synergy where are you?)

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Thats my point. The moves are all over the place. They don't work well with each other. And a skill thats used once per fight and then not needed again, well, what's the point? It's just button bloat. Why couldn't they have just given unleash a HP regen component through trait, for instance? Heck, two skills proc based on parrying, but then your parrying skills gets a boost that lets you evade. Whyyyyyyyy.

I haven't looked at the traits in a minute, but also; why do we have a trait to make Shadow Skin 20% instead of 10%? I mean that's almost as pointless as Ninja's fall damage trait >__>

And I don't know if I said it here or not, but there need's to be some indicator if my parry refreshed Low Blow or not. Every reactive skill does this; Low Blow is our more reliable (on a 30% chance =_=) reaction skill and you need to check for it every time you see parry on the screen.

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

And I don't know if I said it here or not, but there need's to be some indicator if my parry refreshed Low Blow or not. Every reactive skill does this; Low Blow is our more reliable (on a 30% chance =_=) reaction skill and you need to check for it every time you see parry on the screen.

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The indicator is the resetting of the icon, just like Bloodletter procs for BRD.

It looks like a lot of people have been complaining about the lack of tankiness coming from DRKs. This is probably due to the fact they they are probably the worst at mitigating sustained physical damage compared to the other classes. Most of the damage that comes in dungeon mobs are physical autoattacks, and it appears that DRKs are really bad against autos. This used to be a large problem for WARs but they made some changes/additions to the class to make them a bit better against autoattacks.

PLD vs Physical:
Rage of Halone STR Down (100% uptime if desired)
Rampart (90s CD)
Sentinel (180s CD)
Bulwark (180s CD)
Sheltron (30s CD)
Improved Convalescence (120s CD)
Passive blocking

WAR vs Physical:
2% Parry Per Wrath
Storm's Path (100% uptime if desired)
Inner Beast (5 stacks)
Vengeance (120s CD)
Raw Intuition (90s CD)
Thrill of Battle (120s CD)
Convalescence (120s CD)
Equilibrium (60s CD)

DRK vs Physical:
Shadowskin (90s CD)
Shadow Wall (180s CD)
Dark Dance (60s CD)
Reprisal (60s CD)
Convalescence (120s CD)

Dark Dance and Reprisal have rather low CD which is nice but it's offset by the fact that those skills are particularly weak. 10% damage debuff can be provided with 100% uptime from WAR and Dark Dance is only 30% increased parry, unlike guaranteed parry from Raw Intuition and a much high % from LNC's Keen Flurry. If DRK has LNC cross class instead of MRD, it would be a much better class. Outside of Shadowskin and Shadowwall, physical damage mitigation is very weak for DRK. They are, however, rather good against magic damage, which is something PLD is actually very poor against (PLD cannot block anything in Ramuh, for example).

DRKs don't have as much mitigation, but they have a more consistant ability to heal themselves with the Soul Eater combo. Couple this with the fact that they really have no issues holding aggro (from what I've seen so far), and you can pretty much use Dark Arts+Soul Eater combo as your BnB, as opposed to using the Power Slash combo.

Plus it's also been confirmed that we can put Sole Survivor on enemies as well which adds a tremendous amount of use on that.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

DRKs don't have as much mitigation, but they have a more consistant ability to heal themselves with the Soul Eater combo. Couple this with the fact that they really have no issues holding aggro (from what I've seen so far), and you can pretty much use Dark Arts+Soul Eater combo as your BnB, as opposed to using the Power Slash combo.

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The problem is that this healing is very sustained and rather low for the amount of time it takes to get to it. They may heal for 100 hp, but in that same time a warrior or paladin merely didnt take that and more due to the mob doing less damage.

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Originally Posted by Tila

The problem is that this healing is very sustained and rather low for the amount of time it takes to get to it. They may heal for 100 hp, but in that same time a warrior or paladin merely didnt take that and more due to the mob doing less damage.

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With the enahnced Soul Eater trait, they heal for 100% of the damage done. Couple that with Dark Arts and you're getting a 400 self heal every 9 seconds (assuming you're using the Soul Eater combo as your BnB, which I think you should be).

You should list the paladins new healing spell as well if you are listing equilibriam. Given damage does not interrupt the spell cast, its basically a mana gated cd.

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

It looks like a lot of people have been complaining about the lack of tankiness coming from DRKs. This is probably due to the fact they they are probably the worst at mitigating sustained physical damage compared to the other classes. Most of the damage that comes in dungeon mobs are physical autoattacks, and it appears that DRKs are really bad against autos. This used to be a large problem for WARs but they made some changes/additions to the class to make them a bit better against autoattacks.

PLD vs Physical:
Rage of Halone STR Down (100% uptime if desired)
Rampart (90s CD)
Sentinel (180s CD)
Bulwark (180s CD)
Sheltron (30s CD)
Improved Convalescence (120s CD)
Passive blocking

WAR vs Physical:
2% Parry Per Wrath
Storm's Path (100% uptime if desired)
Inner Beast (5 stacks)
Vengeance (120s CD)
Raw Intuition (90s CD)
Thrill of Battle (120s CD)
Convalescence (120s CD)
Equilibrium (60s CD)

DRK vs Physical:
Shadowskin (90s CD)
Shadow Wall (180s CD)
Dark Dance (60s CD)
Reprisal (60s CD)
Convalescence (120s CD)

Dark Dance and Reprisal have rather low CD which is nice but it's offset by the fact that those skills are particularly weak. 10% damage debuff can be provided with 100% uptime from WAR and Dark Dance is only 30% increased parry, unlike guaranteed parry from Raw Intuition and a much high % from LNC's Keen Flurry. If DRK has LNC cross class instead of MRD, it would be a much better class. Outside of Shadowskin and Shadowwall, physical damage mitigation is very weak for DRK. They are, however, rather good against magic damage, which is something PLD is actually very poor against (PLD cannot block anything in Ramuh, for example).

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Why do people keep posting about a class they aren't playing..

Dark Arts, look this up, and apply it to the abilities in question.

Dark Dance is 30% Parry AND 20% Evasion, this is how you deal with auto attacks. Add to this that Dark Dance has a 20s duration with a 60s CD so it has a 33% up time.

You list Ramuh as not being blockable, which is true, but it's also important to remember that EVERY end game raid instance has a PLETHORA of components that you can not block or parry. Dark Mind's 30% spell damage reduction for 15s every 60s is going to be amazing.

Half of the warrior's list isn't useful for auto attacks....

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Originally Posted by Faytte

You should list the paladins new healing spell as well if you are listing equilibriam. Given damage does not interrupt the spell cast, its basically a mana gated cd.

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Dont forget warriors 1200 potency heal. Or the half minute of constant parrying and wrath gain which = more mitigation.

I'm not sure why auto attacks were brought up. Squishyness (Which DRks are, left mine at 55 to return to paladin) have damage reducing cooldowns. Dark Dance IS NOT that good, 30% parry is a 30% chance to reduce damage by 20%. Thats very bad. Compare it to keen flurry from dragoon (80% parry for 20 seconds) or the warriors cooldown (ALL attacks are parried for 20 seconds).

Dark knights are free to imagine that they are on a fine class, which is a laugh. That said, the class will be buffed, SE is good about fixing problems.

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Originally Posted by Ipkonfig

Why do people keep posting about a class they aren't playing..

Dark Arts, look this up, and apply it to the abilities in question.

Dark Dance is 30% Parry AND 20% Evasion, this is how you deal with auto attacks. Add to this that Dark Dance has a 20s duration with a 60s CD so it has a 33% up time.

You list Ramuh as not being blockable, which is true, but it's also important to remember that EVERY end game raid instance has a PLETHORA of components that you can not block or parry. Dark Mind's 30% spell damage reduction for 15s every 60s is going to be amazing.

Half of the warrior's list isn't useful for auto attacks....

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Parry also does jack shit, so an extra 30% isnt as much as it sounds. Its 30% chance to block 20% damage. Thats very low. Thats a problem with DRK, a good bit of stuff, most of it doesnt do much, or costs to much (like dark messenger)

30% chance to block 20% of a hit (ignoring DRK's base parry chance), add into this 20% chance to evade 100% of a hit (ignoring DRK's base evade chance), also calculate in the 33% up time on Dark Dance, and it gives you roughly 8.5% total mitigation, obviously at the mercy of RNG.

Sentinel 40% damage reduction with a 10s duration and 180 CD ends up being 2.2% overall mitigation since it has such a tiny up time. Obviously designed to handle large burst spikes.

We're talking about Auto Attacks here, Dark Arts + Dark Dance is an amazing way to deal with those. I'd go as far as saying that DA/Dark Dance is DRK's shield since they both provide roughly the same mitigation to the tank over a fight, assuming you keep DA/Dark Dance on CD.

Darks prioritize mitigating magical damage, where Pld's mitigate physical damage...isn't that the intended design? Mind you I'm not saying they've met the goal but it looks like the intention is for Darks to be weaker at physical mitigation in order to deal with Niche threats.

Reprisal can be refreshed if you're parrying...which is probable given the frequency of attacks you'll take when dealing with multiple mobs, Wouldn't you be cycling reprisal through mobs with greater efficiency then a warrior doing Storms path given Reprisal is off the Gcd and can be weaved in with a threat combo without qualm. Given that Reprisals refresh is based on % chance, more attacks means more possibility of parries...reprisal should be its strongest against mobs

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Originally Posted by Hundred

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Reprisal is on a 30sec cds and relies on a parry to proc. Storms path takes two gcd to reach, so it can be done in a fraction of the time of multiple reprisals, which will end up falling off since it only lasts 20 seconds. More parries doesnt mean jack crap for reprisal since the parry doesnt refresh the CD.

Likewise, if DRK is meant to be a magic tank, it doesn't show. Its tool for fighting magic are barely better than warrior, which offers far superior physical mitigation (and damage, and utility)

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The point is they still pale in comparison to how the other two tanks deal with trash. DRK isnt really bad at anything, but its not as good at anything the other tanks can do, other than doing more damage than PLD. WAR is flat out better in every way but magic mitigation, which the DRK is barely better at.

I'm not really buying the 20% evasion on Dark Dance, It costs a usage of Dark Arts (which could be used on something else). It's probably not going to work outside of only trash mobs so I wouldn't put too much value into it. It won't help you evade raid boss mechanics/autos. It's like saying PLD's flash is mitigation because it has a blind. 30% parry chance is still pretty bad, compare that to Raw Intuition, which is 100% parry if you position properly.

I think DRKs are going to have trouble finding raid groups as they are now. The problem is that a lot of their good skills depend on taking damage. DRKs make pretty bad OTs because a lot of skills depend on parrying and they can't use reprisal or have refreshed CDs on low blow. If you put them as MT they don't have the ample tools to deal with hard hitting auto attacks from the boss that the PLD has.

PLD got skills that makes them a stronger MT (Sheltron, Divine Veil), and WAR got skills that made them a better OT (Deliverance). DRK is just OK at both at the moment, and it's probably only good in non-mnk comps where the MT takes a large amount of magic damage.

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Originally Posted by Tila

The point is they still pale in comparison to how the other two tanks deal with trash.

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Is this discussion really about trash pulls? If it is . . . l o l.

Reprisal and Storm's Path currently stack on the same target, whether or not the effect stack has yet to be completely tested, but in every case of effects not stacking they are listed on the abilities.

Storm's Eye states it doesn't stack with the Ninja ability
Delirium Blade states it doesn't stack with Dragon Kick

Neither Reprisal or Storm's Path say they don't stack, and I've seen both on a boss before.

Mitigating magic damage for both is fine, and different. WAR is far more reactive, I.E. landing Inner Beast at the right time or popping Equilibrium when you know it won't be wasted. While DRK has more passive mitigation with three separate flat % cooldowns. One of which is extremely effective at 30% reduction for 15s with a 60s CD.

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Originally Posted by Ipkonfig

Storm's Eye states it doesn't stack with the Ninja ability
Delirium Blade states it doesn't stack with Dragon Kick

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For SE and DE its absolutely doesn't matter which one of them will be up, because effect is the same. While Delirum not just useless, if you already have monk in party, but straight up harmfull.

It was originally intended in response to DRK's apparent inability to deal with auto attacks.

Even with evidence the masses still don't buy it. I love that "I'm not really buying the 20% evasion" like it just disappears depending on what you are fighting? Dark Arts has a 5s CD so you aren't wasting it at all, and you can evade boss auto attacks.

I find it interesting that it's still believed WARs will be top DPS while tanking still. Oh well!

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Originally Posted by Nekome-sensei

For SE and DE its absolutely doesn't matter which one of them will be up, because effect is the same. While Delirum not just useless, if you already have monk in party, but straight up harmfull.

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Missed the point of the post there. It was showing that SE puts that they do not stack, but did not place this statment on Reprisal and Storm's Path, and I've seen both debuff icons on mobs before.

Also the last time I grouped with a monk, and did Delirium Blade it just said that it did not take effect. So I assume Dragon Kick's debuff just trumps Delirium so you don't have to worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Ipkonfig

It was originally intended in response to DRK's apparent inability to deal with auto attacks.

Even with evidence the masses still don't buy it. I love that "I'm not really buying the 20% evasion" like it just disappears depending on what you are fighting? Dark Arts has a 5s CD so you aren't wasting it at all, and you can evade boss auto attacks.

I find it interesting that it's still believed WARs will be top DPS while tanking still. Oh well!

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What evidence? That they have a crappy mitigation ability that isnt up to snuff with other tanks mitigation abilities?

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It was originally intended in response to DRK's apparent inability to deal with auto attacks.

Even with evidence the masses still don't buy it. I love that "I'm not really buying the 20% evasion" like it just disappears depending on what you are fighting? Dark Arts has a 5s CD so you aren't wasting it at all, and you can evade boss auto attacks.

I find it interesting that it's still believed WARs will be top DPS while tanking still. Oh well!

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I have seen some Lvl 55 WAR's. They do SHITLOADS of DMG now. Combine that with their new Command Fel Cleave, which only needs 5 Stack of Abandon, has no Cooldown with a 500 Potency against our 60 Sec 450 Potency Skill....I love DRK and i will continue playing him but now on 56 i can slowly feel how much DRK lacks.

I don't think we should be niche Tanks only "useful" in Magical Fights (funny most boss fights do shitloads of magic dmg) and im sure we have the potential to be a really addition to PDL and WAR.

For now im pretty calm and have Faith in SE that they will fix the Problems. We are a new Job, Buffs/Nerfs are expected to be happen.

But still im warming up my Endurance for a WAR Grind through Heavensward...will be really really ugly...

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Originally Posted by Hypie

I have seen some Lvl 55 WAR's. They do SHITLOADS of DMG now. Combine that with their new Command Fel Cleave, which only needs 5 Stack of Abandon, has no Cooldown with a 500 Potency against our 60 Sec 450 Potency Skill...

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Soul Eater with Dark Arts is 400 potency and also has no cooldown. I'm good with that.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Soul Eater with Dark Arts is 400 potency and also has no cooldown. I'm good with that.

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Thats true BUT Dark Arts costs 1094 Mana on Level 56. Fel Cleave only costs 5 Stacks Abandon, which will be build up only doing the Standard DPS Rotation. While we can use DA SoulEater more than once the downtime when we are oom are way bigger than the downtime of the missed Stacks from Abandon.

The Warriors are the clear Winner in this Fight sorry o,o

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Thats true BUT Dark Arts costs 1094 Mana on Level 56. Fel Cleave only costs 5 Stacks Abandon, which will be build up only doing the Standard DPS Rotation. While we can use DA SoulEater more than once the downtime when we are oom are way bigger than the downtime of the missed Stacks from Abandon.

The Warriors are the clear Winner in this Fight sorry o,o

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If you're playing DRK properly (I use that term loosely, as it's only a few days old), mana issues aren't THAT big of a problem.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

If you're playing DRK properly (I use that term loosely, as it's only a few days old), mana issues aren't THAT big of a problem.

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WAR still has more methods for gaining flat percentage increases to damage. They are far superior to PLD and DRK in terms of damage. Tanking its not that much, OTing they are miles ahead and pretty much are a DPS.

This is especially true when you factor in raw intuition and how it too gives wrath/abandon.

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Originally Posted by Tila

WAR still has more methods for gaining flat percentage increases to damage. They are far superior to PLD and DRK in terms of damage. Tanking its not that much, OTing they are miles ahead and pretty much are a DPS.

This is especially true when you factor in raw intuition and how it too gives wrath/abandon.

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And you can Stance Dance as a MT too if your Raid needs a bit more DPS.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

If you're playing DRK properly (I use that term loosely, as it's only a few days old), mana issues aren't THAT big of a problem.

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Thats True but per Stack Abandon they gain Crit too. I'm not saying we are bad, they just have that small details that matter much right now at the Start of the Expac.
Later when we have more Ways of attaining Gear and Stuff this could slowly fade away.

Focusing on MTing a Fight:

Dark Knight Combos/On GCDs:
DA/Souleatter - 266 Avg Potency (spam for burn)
Delirium + Da/Souleatter (rinse repeat for MP sustain) 246 Avg Potency
Scourge - 500 Potency DoT

15% damage increase from Dark Side, all the time.
10% attack speed and MP/hit if you drop Grit for Blood Weapon. But hurts tanking.

6 Off-Global attacks for rotation:
Plunge - 200 potency, 30s CD
Carve and Spit - 450 Potency w/DA and 100 without but gives MP back, 60s CD
Salted Earth - 525 Potency, 45s CD
Dark Passenger - 150 Potency Line AoE, 30s CD
Reprisal - 210 Potency, procs off Parry, 30s CD
Low Blow - 100 Potency (this ability has a 30% chance to reset on every parry), 25s CD

Now Warrior:

Warrior Combos/On GCDs:
All 3 have an Average Potency of ~200
Fracture - 300 Potency

20% damage from Main
5% damage if you go into Deliverance, but you lose Defiance HP boost. (2% crit per stack/2% parry per stack)
Berserk for the 50% AP
Internal Release for another 10% crit.
Unchained to drop tank stance penalty if you stay in Defiance.
(could include the damage reflect on Vengeance)

Off-Globals
Brutal Swing - 50 Potency every 20s
Infuriate - 5 stacks of Wrath/Abandon.

Wrath/Abandon spener.
Fel Cleave - 500 Potency
Inner Beast - 300 Potency 20% damage reduction.

Now assuming the Warrior doesn't care about how much damage he takes he could use all his stacks on Fel Cleave for some nice damage. I would not rate this as "far superior." Fel Cleave is huge burst, but everything else is lagging behind. If they need the damage reduction then it's just 300 potency Inner Beasts. The sheer amount of attacks the Dark Knight has is pretty staggering. On top of that Low Blow has a 30% chance to reset on Parry meaning even more damage while MTing.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

I have seen some Lvl 55 WAR's. They do SHITLOADS of DMG now.

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Yes. WAR tank on the new lvl 60 dungeons make grinding law so much easier. Ran about 2 rounds with some FC makes - WAR SCH BLM BRD, pulling 2 packs every time. Clearing trash was so much faster.

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As was said, MTing there isnt much a difference at the moment. All are about the same, WAR scoots ahead due to being able to stack attack cooldowns, which means a hell of a lot. If it wasn't for mana issues then DRK would be ahead, but DRK cant consistently maintain a high amount of damage, especially since their mana regain moves don't scale all that well up to max levels. The gap only widens if the group doesnt have a ninja or warrior to apply storm path/dancing edge. You also forget that the new warrior skill raw intuition gives abandon/wrath, and therefore, more damage when MT. You also skipped mercy strike. And forgot how the DRK's debuff doesnt apply the blunt resistance debuff like dragon kick, meaning DRK has less raid utility, which is a big deal.

When offtanking, warrior is leagues ahead at that.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Fel Cleave only costs 5 Stacks Abandon. . .

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Only 5 stacks lol. All of our moves that consume Wrath/Abandon cost 5 stacks and Fell Cleave (in my experience) isn't always the go to move to consume those stacks (when main tanking). If we use fell cleave we can't use Inner Beast / Unchained until we build the stacks back. Without blowing cooldowns (Berserk, Vengence and the new skill Raw Intuition) it takes 8 GCD's to build 5 stacks. The damage is great but its got its own set of pros and cons.

p.s. in order to use Fell Cleave we have to switch Defiance for Delieverance which reduces our max HP and removes our Healing received buff.