So who is NOT getting Heavensward?!

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Originally Posted by Lillia

Actually MSQ will give double exp.

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Considering it gives *none* ATM, anything over 1 xp is more than double.

Also will give gear apparently. Hopefully nothing unique looking.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Two major differences here. Firstly, in WoW the cap is a hard cap. You literally don't even unlock the ability to level past your cap without the expansion. Secondly, in WoW, once the level cap is 'earned' by getting the expansion, you can still earn experience in earlier areas. It's not like all of your new levels had to be earned in expansion areas only.

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Why, if you have the expansion, would you want to level in the older zones when you have access to the new zones? Also the amount of XP needed will scale higher from 50-60. So could as easily take 100,000s of mobs in the 2.x zones to even get to 51, then xp from mobs will be less as you level requiring exponentially more kills.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Considering it gives *none* ATM, anything over 1 xp is more than double.

Also will give gear apparently. Hopefully nothing unique looking.

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For us that's true but I meant MSQ is giving double for anyone behind in ARR whose on quest lines that give EXP. :p

We still got stuff like challenge logs, leves, MSQ, maybe hunting logs, continuations of class quests if I remember correctly, new dungeons, new fates, maybe hunts will give EXP too(?)

Basically a tonnnnnnn of things we can do for our mains again~ (Personally I am pretty excited by this fact.)

We might know other small pieces HW information tonight but it may not contain certain details like leveling. At 7:30 PDT on the 16th the prelim notes are being read for JP players so we may end up having them released for us as well.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

More a reason to believe that SE will pull a WoW and throw an instant level 50 in the cash shop after a year or 3 patches into the expansion.

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You're srsly the most pessimistic person in this thread, it's disheartening.

All the people saying they want to finish ARR content before expac. Well.....you better hope coil is lvl synced or be prepared to be booted by lvl 60's doing it for glamours.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Let me reverse that question by asking you which MMO's you've played which have?

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Every single subscription MMO ever created since the creation of the genre? Seriously, are you new to mmo's?

I was really heavy on finishing T13 before HW, but then i realized...why do i even care? Dreadwyrm will be obsolete the moment i step into Ishgard and see "Lv52" requirement gear.

There's no real reason for someone who isn't level 50 to purchase heavensward, and there is zeerooo reason to believe SE will ever allow you to "buy" level 50. This game takes its story pretty seriously.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

I was really heavy on finishing T13 before HW, but then i realized...why do i even care? Dreadwyrm will be obsolete the moment i step into Ishgard and see "Lv52" requirement gear.

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On the contrary, T13 is my only goal left for this game. You're right, the gear won't matter, and that's not what I'm worried about. I just want the closure. Unless they do something like remove Echo, increase ilvl, add a difficultly tier, etc, no one will do BC at all anymore. And that's unfortunate, because there are some legitimately good fights in there.

My point is, I want to beat it while it matters. Then I can say I'm done for real. Granted, if I don't clear it in the next 72ish hours...I'm still dropping XD

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Originally Posted by Zanther

Every single subscription MMO ever created since the creation of the genre? Seriously, are you new to mmo's?

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To her credit, she's probably new to themepark MMO's. FFXI was not like this. EQ and GW (the original, not 2) were not like this. It's an older style.

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Originally Posted by RainieHana

You're srsly the most pessimistic person in this thread, it's disheartening.

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EQ2 added "heroic" characters that start at 85 with 100 AA in like 2011 or 2012, wow didn't until right around Warlods' release announcement in 2014, almost 10 years after release.


I'd expect SE to do it in about three or four expansion packs if at all.

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Originally Posted by RainieHana

You're srsly the most pessimistic person in this thread, it's disheartening.

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That's so when disappoints hit, I brush them off. :>

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

EQ2 added "heroic" characters that start at 85 with 100 AA in like 2011 or 2012, wow didn't until right around Warlods' release announcement in 2014, almost 10 years after release.


I'd expect SE to do it in about three or four expansion packs if at all.

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Didn't WoW add a "hero" class in Wrath of the Lich King?

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

To her credit, she's probably new to themepark MMO's. FFXI was not like this. EQ and GW (the original, not 2) were not like this. It's an older style.

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That wouldnt be because Rise of Zilart was part of the original release outside japan now was it?


EQ1 WAS like this. No lvl 60 without Kunark.

GW never raised the lvl cap after the original release. The new skills could not be accessed without the expansions either.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

More a reason to believe that SE will pull a WoW and throw an instant level 50 in the cash shop after a year or 3 patches into the expansion.

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Yoshi p was asked this question in an interview and responded no! b/c its only 10 levels to gain its not as wide as Wow 1/20 to 90 - whatever it is

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Originally Posted by Edellis

I was really heavy on finishing T13 before HW, but then i realized...why do i even care? Dreadwyrm will be obsolete the moment i step into Ishgard and see "Lv52" requirement gear.

There's no real reason for someone who isn't level 50 to purchase heavensward, and there is zeerooo reason to believe SE will ever allow you to "buy" level 50. This game takes its story pretty seriously.

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deadwyrn will give u an advantage it will be good will level 56 so thats equivalent to leveling 1-25. i think thats not bad. who doesn't want an earned advantage?

Azrael, how much advantage will Dreadwyrm gear give over Demon or Ironworks gear, which I would assume anyone able to even contemplate T13 must be wearing?

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Originally Posted by Natashio

More a reason to believe that SE will pull a WoW and throw an instant level 50 in the cash shop after a year or 3 patches into the expansion.

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I think you're just upset the fact that you can't continue craft without buying an expansion and things are gated by it.
You already knew you couldn't without it and you just felt like complaining here.
It's called an expansion for a reason. Seriously, we're all excited but you're so negative. If you don't like the game and it's direction, fine,
but don't ruin everyone else's fun with your doom and gloom. Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Azrael, how much advantage will Dreadwyrm gear give over Demon or Ironworks gear, which I would assume anyone able to even contemplate T13 must be wearing?

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Not sure on specifics. I'm just saying its not like the sec./min you set into HW content- you're gear is useless- you will definitely be more viable than a ivl 90 person. FYI im only ilv 114. I'm more about the glamour tbh.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Azrael, how much advantage will Dreadwyrm gear give over Demon or Ironworks gear, which I would assume anyone able to even contemplate T13 must be wearing?

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The stats? all 3 sets have different stats, and not all of one set is good for certain jobs.

Just seems the OP likes nothing here. Not the game nor the staff or anythign else. YP has done a ton to get this game going in the right direction since he took over but clearly his history here means nothing to some people who want to act like he was involved in all these other games they are complaining about"

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Originally Posted by Cian

Just seems the OP likes nothing here. Not the game nor the staff or anythign else. YP has done a ton to get this game going in the right direction since he took over but clearly his history here means nothing to some people who want to act like he was involved in all these other games they are complaining about"

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I hope you're not talking about me

This thread has a lot of arguing, and in 3 days all of the misinformation/conjecture will be put to rest.
It's hard to even comment on some of the ridiculous things being said in here with no sources and a complete misunderstanding of what is happening with heavensward xpac.

A clear way to think about it is this.

If you don't buy HWard then your game experience literally will not change.
You will be playing ARR. We will all be playing HW. End thread.

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

I hope you're not talking about me

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I think your getting confused for me.. :X

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Two major differences here. Firstly, in WoW the cap is a hard cap. You literally don't even unlock the ability to level past your cap without the expansion. Secondly, in WoW, once the level cap is 'earned' by getting the expansion, you can still earn experience in earlier areas. It's not like all of your new levels had to be earned in expansion areas only.

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In WoW prior to any expansion, it was not very likely that any player was going to reach current level cap before getting to the end content zone of the current expansion.

Also, while you 'could' gain exp in the 'old' areas, after an expansion, the exp given was so miniscule that it was just ridiculous to even try, instead of going to the new areas where exp was practically thrown at you in barrels. Plus the questing greens in new areas were equal to or better than the raiding gear from the previous expansion.

WoW also did not have a specific laid out storyline we HAD to follow like ARR does.
Those of us who are currently 50 have been so for ages and have done over 100 MSQ gaining NO EXP whatsoever throughout those, as well as Coils, hundreds of CT runs and roulettes with NO EXP.
It would be an insult to allow anyone to remain in the old content and suddenly begin leveling up on those same activities we got nada for, potentially placing them at level 60 before setting foot on Ishgardian soil where they could then faceroll all the new 51-57 zones which those-of-us-who entered-at-lowly-50 will struggle through.

NAY, I say, no exp gain for ARR level 50 content! We didn't get it so neither should anyone else!

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I'm sorry, but I won't be moved on this. It's simply unfair to people who can't afford the expansion, and downright annoying for those of us who do older content with no gains.

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I see it as just the opposite. People who are sticking with ARR alone and not getting HW have no content for which being above level 50 would be beneficial. Keeping their level cap where it is allows them to stay at the level where their highest content is. If the level cap was unlocked for everyone, but only those getting Heavensward had any level 51-60 content, then soon those with ARR alone would end up out-leveling everything they have available to play. What you're asking for would pretty much destroy the game for everyone not getting HW.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

All this will do is eliminate any reason to run level 50 content for existing players and relegate new and existing players to begging for help because they can't find a tank or a healer. With new content, and higher level gear on the horizon, no one is going to give two hoots about hard or expert roulettes any more. But sadly, it seems no one has even thought about that caveat.

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Now here you're combining two different issues, as in this case you appear to be discussing people who DO have Heavensward and all its content as well as its level 60 level cap. We don't know yet what incentives SE is adding to get them to continue running ARR's dungeons, so it seems a little premature to say there isn't going to be any. We do know there will be an initial period where they don't get XP for level 50 dungeons, but then later they will. (It was a little unclear, though, whether that just referred to an XP completion reward or whether it also includes mob-kill XP while there.)

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Originally Posted by Natashio

I'm at a point in videogaming that if expansion/dlc don't add anything substantially different and new to the game, I see at as not worth it.

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Did you not see the cute AF gear for summoner!!!??
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/pictures2...v_summoner.jpg

(couldn't find it in good quality sorry :C)

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Natashio, you are being part of the unwinnable game for a developer.

Make lots of content in the same vein as the original game? People complain there's no new stuff.
Make lots of radically different content? People complain you're not being true to the game's history.
Make too little content? People complain there's nothing to do.
Make too much content? People complain they're overwhelmed.

The way I see it, Heavensward adds a lot of new story, new places to explore, new crafts, new stuff to gather, new raids at endgame, and so on. I'm curious, though; what are YOU hoping it will contain that will make you buy it?

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i don't think people would complain about radically differnet content as long as it is an addition to the existing game and its history, its no contradiction in my oppinion,
well "too little content. ofc ppl complain. They pay for it why shouldnt they.

Too much content? (lol)i really doubt that will ever happen, so nobody is going to complain there... id love to see an expansion with overwhelming content...
so far HW does seem like 2.0 with a new lvl cap, flying mounts , same gear treadmill, and airship content that, reading the patchnotes seems like "send the ship instead of the retainer to bring something back".
I really do hope they break out of that pattern, if not then it seems like one of the most boring content updates ive seen in the mmos ive played so far.

they have to get back to creative content with a nice graphic engine around it.... not just graphics then do some half ass cutszenes with 30% voiceacting (never seen that before anywhere on a title of that size), shallow linear content and same systems over and over... but well. let's see, i doubt but i DO hope that im mistaken :)