Discussion for Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XX

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Originally Posted by Alberel

The impression I got was that you can level ALL of the crafts to 60 but your specialization choices unlock extra skills for those classes. Effectively you will be able to craft basic stuff with every craft but you will only be able to craft the particularly difficult stuff with three of them. As much as some people will bemoan this we needed it desperately to stimulate the economy a bit. As it stands at the moment there is far too much supply for everything and prices plummet far too quickly.

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I understood that the idea is making things easier than now. Now you need all the classes to top level, to have all the cross-class skills to make the most difficult items. In the future, you may skip levelling all classes to the top level by specialisation, so you wil have the option to go one way or the other to be able to make the most difficult recipes.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I think the party loot is only available with full premades, hopefully. if not this can be pretty easy to abuse.

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I would certainly hope it's only a side option for pre-made parties. I really don't like the idea of it being a thing in random DF parties where people could easily abuse the new system to hog everything for themselves.

Anyway, I liked what I saw today. Now I'm even more hyped! Heavensward can't some soon enough... Roughly 2 and a half months more to go...

Seems to be some misunderstanding in the thread.

Alexander Normal: loot lockout is handled like Crystal Tower. Period.

Primals: everyone gets a token each time, and for the designated number of tokens, you can buy any one of the available weapon.

Master Loot: in premades, if you tick this option, all loot will drop directly into a special window which only the Party Leader can operate and designate what loot goes to who.

All Greed: everyone can only greed, nobody can need. Also for premades.

Pass-after-greed: yes, you will be able to retract on your GREED rolls once and pass it instead.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

They said it was for NEED and GREED... so if you rolled either, you can still do a "take-back"...
Exactly how that take-back works is unknown.

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Did they not say when the benchmark would be released?

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Originally Posted by shane239

Disappointing that it is only 50 hours for all quests in 3.0. Means everyone will have all level 60 jobs within 3 months again..... It disappoints!

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It is 50 hours for Main Scenario only. That means side quests like job quests are additional to this 50 hours.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

Pass-after-greed: yes, you will be able to retract on your GREED rolls once and pass it instead.

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I'm 99% certain they came back and said it will be pass after any type of roll. but we could use come confirmation.

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Originally Posted by Kassiekane

Did you even see how tired Yoshi was? That man needs sleep, yet instead he's working his ass off to keep things moving along. I believe everyone can survive a missed Q&A. The most important thing is for the expansion to hit on schedule with minimal issues, and, even though we are paying customers, we must also exercise a degree of consideration for the team of developers that service us instead of acting like a complete tool.

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I have a very tiring job also, it doesn't give me an excuse to half ass it.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

I'm 99% certain they came back and said it will be pass after any type of roll. but we could use come confirmation.

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They said it was for NEED and GREED... so if you rolled either, you can still do a "take-back"...
Exactly how that take-back works is unknown.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

The impression I got was that you can level ALL of the crafts to 60 but your specialization choices unlock extra skills for those classes. Effectively you will be able to craft basic stuff with every craft but you will only be able to craft the particularly difficult stuff with three of them. As much as some people will bemoan this we needed it desperately to stimulate the economy a bit. As it stands at the moment there is far too much supply for everything and prices plummet far too quickly.

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Sounds more like it's the exact opposite from the translation Bayohne provided. Specialization will make it easier to make the items in your speciality without needing all other classes at 60 as well. People with all classes maxxed should still be able to make the items, but they'll have to wait until they're all maxxed.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

Since it's SquareEnix these days, I've got this tiny little hope that the new DRG LB will be the Nibelung Valesti attack from Valkyrie Profile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMmsRQ-NehY

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Here, let me help out with a more modernized version of that attack:

"It shall be engraved upon your soul!"

They'd have to speed it up significantly to fit within the same animation window of My Final heaven.

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Originally Posted by qivis

It is 50 hours for Main Scenario only.

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Thats more than every Offline Final Fantasy had. If the Numbers are correct, thats more than enough for a scenario opening. I really don't understand, what people do expect.

So there's 9 new zones.
1. Ishgard itself
2. Coerthas Western Highlands
3. Dravania Hitherlands
4. Dravania Forelands
5. Sea of Clouds
6. The Churning Mists
7. Floating Continent

and one or two more depending on how the two levels of Ishgard are counted here.
Kinda expected to see more of Coerthas to be honest.
I wonder what the remaining ones could be. Sharyalan? They did show a dungeon that looks suspiciously like the Ancient Library from FFV.

Hmmm that scene when they show Lolorito at night and you see the light flash on him... his shadow looks like a tall guy with a hood on. I know shadows can get bigger depending on day and distance... but might this be a hint that Lolorito is a Ascian?

Yeah, a 50-hour main story is NOTHING to complain about. I'm thrilled when an rpg lasts that long, and usually they require tons of sidequesting to get there. Don't know what that guy's smoking.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Yeah, a 50-hour main story is NOTHING to complain about. I'm thrilled when an rpg lasts that long, and usually they require tons of sidequesting to get there. Don't know what that guy's smoking.

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Agreed - a 50-hour campaign is very substantial. I hope its a very entertaining campaign... at that!

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Yeah, a 50-hour main story is NOTHING to complain about. I'm thrilled when an rpg lasts that long, and usually they require tons of sidequesting to get there. Don't know what that guy's smoking.

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50 hours is more then u get these days in an offline rpg game since they focus more on graphics then story,, then when u consider the fact we will be gettin more n more story quests in future patches its alot to look forward to :3

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

exactly some people arent happy unless they are complaining about somethin.. personally i get tired of hearing some1 complain how ff14 isnt like ff11 and how great features in 11 was.. if ff11 is so great why are they trying to turn ff14 into the same game instead of just playing ff11 lmao

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thing is, XI WAS a good game for it's time. and to many it still is. this game isn't XI and quite frankly I'm glad it isn't. the formulas that made XI work way back when it was released won't work now(or atleast most companies wouldn't dare to try them). not enough people have the patience to wait around for players for co-op. not to mention if they turned XIV into what XI is now they would just be killing the game.

that being said I wouldn't mind seeing versions of some of the end game content added to XIV.
Dynamis
Limbus
Salvage(one of the more interesting ones because you started with pretty much all your gear slots and abilities locked and fighting bare handed. I'm sure they could figure out a version where you have everything locked but your weapon) I had the most fun with this one.
Besieged was another thing I would love to see added to XIV.
I wont be heart broken if none of these things are added though

Overall, I am happy with the stuff coming to us in Heavensward.
However, I'm a little disappointed that the new jobs start at level 30. I would have preferred them to start at level 1.
I wish that Yoshida spent a little time explaining the reasoning beyond this decision.
To be perfectly fair, there were a number of this I wish he spent a little more time on. =\

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

However, I'm a little disappointed that the new jobs start at level 30. I would have preferred them to start at level 1.

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yeah I would have preferred this as well.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

yeah I would have preferred this as well.

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My hope is that it is related to refinements/improvements to the current job system. One of my biggest gripes - if not my only gripe - with the game is the awkwardness surrounding the concepts of classes, cross classing and jobs.

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Originally Posted by rwyan

My hope is that it is related to refinements/improvements to the current job system. One of my biggest gripes - if not my only gripe - with the game is the awkwardness surrounding the concepts of classes, cross classing and jobs.

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If I had to guess, he is phasing out the class system.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

thing is, XI WAS a good game for it's time. and to many it still is. this game isn't XI and quite frankly I'm glad it isn't. the formulas that made XI work way back when it was released won't work now(or atleast most companies wouldn't dare to try them). not enough people have the patience to wait around for players for co-op. not to mention if they turned XIV into what XI is now they would just be killing the game.

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exactly compared to wow and ff11.. ARR is still a infant give it a couple more years n ff14 will have a ton of amazing content.. problem is certain groups of gamers expect everything to be catered to thier likes n needs n really dont care about any1 else aslong as thier needs are catered for = the entitled generation lol

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Originally Posted by Velhart

How disappointing and ill prepared. You can't even do a non-live Q & A? There are a lot of issues this game has we would like a legitimate update on and once again, you all hold it off and shrug it to the side. Good job team. Always something new to disappoint us with.

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lol yes so disappointing because they aren't working hard to release an expansion by June 19? Man are people really this hung up that they didn't get to the Q/A? They answered/commented on a lot of things and you can't expect them to overstay their welcome when they have busy schedules.

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

¤ Leveling will continue as per normal. You won't have to do any quests or anything to "break the level cap"

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CALLED IT! :D

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

thing is, XI WAS a good game for it's time. and to many it still is. this game isn't XI and quite frankly I'm glad it isn't. the formulas that made XI work way back when it was released won't work now(or atleast most companies wouldn't dare to try them). not enough people have the patience to wait around for players for co-op. not to mention if they turned XIV into what XI is now they would just be killing the game.

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Having just recently gone back to FFXI, some of their design decisions were absolutely baffling.
For example, when you start the game even now, you are just plopped down into a city with only the faintest hint of direction. You aren't really given any clues as to how to get around, and unless you look it up, you can get to your late 40s without even knowing Subjobs or Chocobo licenses even exist. The amount of effort you have to go through just for an explanation within the game is mindboggling. I've never used a wiki as much as I have for that game.
Further, some of the job unlock quests were so unintuitive it was baffling, in addition to the Limit break quests being bizarrely disjointed: to get to level 61, you had to do a quest that involved getting past much higher level Notorious Monsters. To get to 66, you had to give a bunch of guys semi-common loot that drops from the mobs you had to get past to get to lvl 61.
And that's before getting into the crap summoners had to go through to get their summons. Imagine if, in order to summon Ifrit-Egi, you either had to solo Ifrit Story Mode, or beat Ifrit HM. And you had to do this for all your egis. Oh, and you don't get any other class features until you do. And this is after a job unlock quest that depends heavily on RNG and seasons
Comes to the point you begin thinking "Why the hell did they keep it this way for 13+ years?!"
Then you realize. They changed it. For FFXIV.
FFXI is definitely challenging. But it's "being forced to climb up a staircase with a wheelchair all the while wondering why they don't just add a ramp" challenging.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Having just recently gone back to FFXI, some of their design decisions were absolutely baffling.
For example, when you start the game even now, you are just plopped down into a city with only the faintest hint of direction. You aren't really given any clues as to how to get around, and unless you look it up, you can get to your late 40s without even knowing Subjobs or Chocobo licenses even exist. The amount of effort you have to go through just for an explanation within the game is mindboggling. I've never used a wiki as much as I have for that game.
Further, some of the job unlock quests were so unintuitive it was baffling, in addition to the Limit break quests being bizarrely disjointed: to get to level 61, you had to do a quest that involved getting past much higher level Notorious Monsters. To get to 66, you had to give a bunch of guys semi-common loot that drops from the mobs you had to get past to get to lvl 61.
And that's before getting into the crap summoners had to go through to get their summons. Imagine if, in order to summon Ifrit-Egi, you either had to solo Ifrit Story Mode, or beat Ifrit HM. And you had to do this for all your egis. Oh, and you don't get any other class features until you do. And this is after a job unlock quest that depends heavily on RNG and seasons
Comes to the point you begin thinking "Why the hell did they keep it this way for 13+ years?!"
Then you realize. They changed it. For FFXIV.
FFXI is definitely challenging. But it's "being forced to climb up a staircase with a wheelchair all the while wondering why they don't just add a ramp" challenging.

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this is the unfortunate result from the fact that Tanaka(the producer of XI for most of its life for those that don't know) didn't actually play the game. he had a character but only to show the game off(which for it's time were fairly decent graphics). had he actually played the game on the same level as the players we likely would have gotten an entirely different game. something a bit more intuitive like XIV became with ARR

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

this is the unfortunate result from the fact that Tanaka(the producer of XI for most of its life for those that don't know) didn't actually play the game. he had a character but only to show the game off(which for it's time were fairly decent graphics). had he actually played the game on the same level as the players we likely would have gotten an entirely different game. something a bit more intuitive like XIV became with ARR

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How do you know he did not play the game?

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Originally Posted by Archchancellor

How do you know he did not play the game?

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he admitted it and you could see it in the game itself. he and his devs immensily difficult and mind boggling things without thinking the consequences through. like the non nerfed Absolute Virtue. players found an exploit to beat it before they nerfed it but nobody found the legit way to beat the non nerfed AV. there were other things but this came to mind because many players kept going non stop to try to beat it with no success and actually got sick over it.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

However, I'm a little disappointed that the new jobs start at level 30. I would have preferred them to start at level 1.

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I would like them to start at level one too but these are Jobs, not classes so it makes sense for them to start at level 30. If they were classes then they would have to start at level 1.

Was there any word about when the Benchmark was coming?

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Was there any word about when the Benchmark was coming?

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pretty sure they said April 27th

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

pretty sure they said April 27th

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Blarg... ok, thanks! I was really hoping it would be this weekend.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Blarg... ok, thanks! I was really hoping it would be this weekend.

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this weekend would have been really nice ~sighs~

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Originally Posted by Ramien

So new jobs start at level 30... going to be some teething issues as people learn the new rotations and abilities, but it's better than having to start from 1.

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Cause it so hard to level up from level one.... I would preferred if they started at 1.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

exactly some people arent happy unless they are complaining about somethin.. personally i get tired of hearing some1 complain how ff14 isnt like ff11 and how great features in 11 was.. if ff11 is so great why are they trying to turn ff14 into the same game instead of just playing ff11 lmao

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XI use to be great, they have changed it too much from what made it memorable but then again it that don't have the big enough player base nor current day gamers mindset to keep that format going anymore.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Cause it so hard to level up from level one.... I would preferred if they started at 1.

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I'd have preferred they start at 1 too. As for the class vs job semantics nonsense.. I don't care what you call them, they should've started at 1.

I was wondering If new dx11 or Heavensward going to have a pre download time like 1 week before in other case I need to download the game again after its relesead and It kinda feels bad o.o

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

he admitted it and you could see it in the game itself. he and his devs immensily difficult and mind boggling things without thinking the consequences through. like the non nerfed Absolute Virtue. players found an exploit to beat it before they nerfed it but nobody found the legit way to beat the non nerfed AV. there were other things but this came to mind because many players kept going non stop to try to beat it with no success and actually got sick over it.

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That explains so much.
Aside from boss encounters, a lot about the game feels like it was designed on paper and no one in testing was listened to, in addition to the developers clearly not having a fixed direction for content.
Say what you will about the idea of HW following directly from ARR and requiring it, at least you're told exactly where to go and have reason to be there.
In FFXI (and some older MMOs, like EQ1) expansion content is plopped down on top of the existing content, only really activating when you seek it out. During my recent return to FFXI, the only reason I even figured out how the WoG zones work was because I wanted to unlock Dancer, which requires it.
There are pluses and minuses to both, but the lack of direction in FFXI definitely says it was born in a committee meeting without thought to how it would feel.

Just throwing in that I'm totally fine with them starting at 30. Just want my guns.

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Originally Posted by shane239

Disappointing that it is only 50 hours for all quests in 3.0. Means everyone will have all level 60 jobs within 3 months again..... It disappoints!

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Again? Did someone have all jobs to 60 before? ;-)

I rarely meet in Duty Finder people with all classes at 50. I think I know 2 players. Maybe some of them manage to level al classes to 60 in 3 months? Everybody? Really highly unlikely.