SMN mp needs sorting out

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Originally Posted by Ryans

Seriously, the problem isn't summoner. It is Blm. If it wasn't the only other caster to compare resource management to, this thread wouldn't exist. Melee have the EXACT same resource troubles but it is universal to all melee. That is why there is no complaining about it. The community has accepted it and found a way to deal with the issue. Paeon. If there were enough caster DD classes then party makeups would change to one melee, two casters, and a bard singing ballad when needed.

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That is not entirely true. Most people would prefer the option that pushes the most DPS per fight, that would determine the classes that are brought. This generally influences party make-ups as a whole when strict DPS checks are thrown into the mix. Those that can push the bigger numbers with less restrictions will be the main stream comp (DRG situation? Pre -Buff). The only time you generally see things like one melee, two casters and a bard, is when you are forced into these situations via whose available for your static or some other unorthodox method. Very rare are they're fights that heavily favor AoE aspects, which the Caster classes excel at, because it creates terrible imbalance vs the Melee. I do believe Turn 4 alone was the last time we saw something like this.

The only reason people keep casters around in truth? Because of a Caster LB /AoE control, should it have use, otherwise since single target DPS is a heavy thing for most boss fights, classes that excel at single target DPS tend to be preferred.

Melee do not have the same resource troubles in it's entirety either. Invigorate does not hamper your DPS, but rather gives you FREE TP per CD. Energy Drain, DIRECTLY counters your DPS option of using Fester / Bane instead because it's tied into Aetherflow Stacks (you only get 3 / min).

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Originally Posted by Staris

by other jobs you mean only blackmage right?
because all the tp jobs can/should modify their rotation based on fight length to manage tp. (example not fracturing).

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I mention BLM specifically, and I also say "in such severity". As Viridiana explains that part in thorough I'll move on to the next point.

Melee, Tanks, and Ranged DPS benefit from Paeon, while the only ones who benefit from Ballad are SMN and Healers. In most situations, unless the healers are running low, Paeon is going to be heavily favored unless your entire party is SMNs, which just doesnt really happen in static groups, in instances where the MP issue begins to show (FCoB/etc). And giving up Fracture(wat) is not as potent a nerf to damage as losing Ruin and Fester. So as i said in the last sentence, our DPS will tamper out in longer fights, so much so without help, that we lose tremendous DPS.

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If there were enough caster DD classes then party makeups would change to one melee, two casters, and a bard singing ballad when needed.

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No? They'd take the best Single target DPS still, and as the above poster explains, Casters are mostly kept around for AoE LB and the AoE potential...

I still propose BRD be given a "Pianissimo" type effect thats a song for 1 person only, but wont nerf their damage and cost less MP... at least in the situations where BRD isnt singing Paeon they can give the SMN Ballad without nerfing them.

god XI handled BRD so much better ._. Hell almost every FF ever did lol

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Melee do not have the same resource troubles in it's entirety either. Invigorate does not hamper your DPS, but rather gives you FREE TP per CD. Energy Drain, DIRECTLY counters your DPS option of using Fester / Bane instead because it's tied into Aetherflow Stacks (you only get 3 / min).

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Perhaps making Energy Drain an off-GCD instead of tied to Aetherflow... but then SCH would be impacted. (though, SCH does use a lot of Aetherflow on Lustrate/etc). Perhaps a 30 second GCD? How much do you think that would go to helping SMN MP?

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Wouldn't a small cutback on dps for the sake of better sustainability result in better overall dps? Doing slightly less damage for the sake of never having any complete downtime.

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As Virdinia said, you could do that, but why when you can take a BLM which has 100% sustainability with zero downtimes to refresh mana?

Whilst pushing progression in FCoB DPS checks are that tight that every single point of DPS from the party matters until you start to over gear it and still it is pretty tight. That small cutback from SMN can make or break a clear.

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Originally Posted by KitanaiKoneko

You mean when they fixed the tooltip so that it correctly described the effects of bane?

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AND YOUR POINT?

We should have had it to begin with because black mage AoE potential and capability.

(the more we say it was a thing, the more they think it was a thing, and the more we b**** like dragoons, the more likely it will happen)

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

In reality there ARE other caster classes you can compare SMN to... WHM and SCH. The problem is that for optimal DPS output a SMN has the same MP costs as a SCH but without the ability to use Aetherflow for as much MP regen as a SCH does, while at the same time not having a passive such as Shroud that gives a huge boost to MP like the WHM.

BLMs aren't the problem as that class was designed for MP regen through self buffs. SMNs lack this.

So, from there we've got a couple of options. A potency increase in the MP regen ability of Aetherflow (we'll ignore ED as that really shouldn't be used by a SMN if at all possible). Perhaps a Shroud-like buff could be added when Aetherflow is at 3 stacks? OR the SMN MP costs need to be reduced.

The damage output of SMNs is fine so long as they don't run their MP dry as fast as they currently do. If their MP drain was scaled such that it'd hit bottom around the same rate as a WHM does then Ballad could be sync'd between those classes and we'd not have issues with "oh, we don't use Ballad for SMNs".

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You can't compare a DD class to a healer class in resource management. That is just stupid. They do completely different things and use their resources in completely different ways. That is why you don't compare a pld to a drg in terms of TP management. Blm is the problem because it is giving everyone here a straw to grasp at to demand a buff. Blm shouldn't be able to go forever no matter the party setup if every other class has limitations. Honestly, if you guys get what you want it is going to dictate every new caster in the game from here on out. They will be required to be self sustaining no matter the situation. Stop trying to ruin the future of an entire archetype.

When running out of mp use less festers and more energy drain simple as that.

This issue can be fixed with one simple solution. Have one of the new Egi be an mp regenerator for party and self.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

You can't compare a DD class to a healer class in resource management. That is just stupid. They do completely different things and use their resources in completely different ways. That is why you don't compare a pld to a drg in terms of TP management. Blm is the problem because it is giving everyone here a straw to grasp at to demand a buff. Blm shouldn't be able to go forever no matter the party setup if every other class has limitations. Honestly, if you guys get what you want it is going to dictate every new caster in the game from here on out. They will be required to be self sustaining no matter the situation. Stop trying to ruin the future of an entire archetype.

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You can actually, if you think about how their MP is used and what all three have to do to regain it. SCH/SMN have basically the same regen tools and WHM has Shroud. All three WILL run into MP issues in drawn out fights if they are pushing their classes to the max possible (healing/stance dancing/dpsing). SCH may be able to delay that a bit longer than SMN/WHM but it WILL happen no matter what any of them do. The problem between the three of them now is that SMN will run dry a LOT sooner than the other two, leading to the "not playing Ballad solely for a SMN" issue. Get the SMN MP consumption in line with the healer level and Ballad would be timed appropriately for all three.

As far as the BLM MP system being the problem... whatever you're smoking I want some. Just because a single class has a unique MP system in the game that lets them cast continually, we're to completely gut that class and rebuild it from scratch (taking away that unique system) due to SMNs not being able to do their optimal rotation forever? O_o

That's like burning down the house to kill an ant. You would completely destroy what a BLM is were you to eliminate the Astral/Umbral system. No one is saying that SMNs need to be infinitely self-sustaining like a BLM, people are saying the MP system of the SMN needs to be tweaked to improve their staying power at max DPS levels to match the length of fights the devs are creating.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

When running out of mp use less festers and more energy drain simple as that.

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. . .and fail to do competitive DPS and never be taken for progression content. Sure.

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Originally Posted by Staris

by other jobs you mean only blackmage right?
because all the tp jobs can/should modify their rotation based on fight length to manage tp. (example not fracturing).

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All the TP jobs are propped up by Army's Paeon 4 minutes into the fight.

Seriously, does everyone who says 'manage your badly designed DPS resource better' do anything other than run ST? Do y'all know that enrage timers are like, a reasonably harsh thing in non-Echo fights if your DPS aren't pushing at max throughput at all times?

That topic is like same if you ask why BLM need use their umbral ice for lowering their damage, why they can not use fire all of the time? The answer is because it is part of their rotation just like energy drain is for summoner. You guys does not see it, because you do not need it in easy content, thats why summoner is stronger than any other class in easy content. Game is supposed 2 be balanced in the end game content and thats why u feel you are weaker in the end game content.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

That topic is like same if you ask why BLM need use their umbral ice for lowering their damage, why they can not use fire all of the time? The answer is because it is part of their rotation just like energy drain is for summoner. You guys does not see it, because you do not need it in easy content, thats why summoner is stronger than any other class in easy content. Game is supposed 2 be balanced in the end game content and thats why u feel you are weaker in the end game content.

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I feel they are weaker in endgame content because my FC keeps a database of these things, and it's a proven fact. It's just cold, hard numbers. It has nothing to do with "feelings."

Your premise is completely false as well. SMN is not stronger than any other class in easy content.

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Originally Posted by Zholi

I feel they are weaker in endgame content because my FC keeps a database of these things, and it's a proven fact. It's just cold, hard numbers. It has nothing to do with "feelings."

Your premise is completely false as well. SMN is not stronger than any other class in easy content.

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How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game. Sometimes i m in the pug groups that link dps from their meters and all meters usually show you different numbers, because numbers are not accurate and usually those can not not count dots very well so SMN is hardest dps calculate.

EDIT:And i m not saying summoner is doing good or bad dps and i do not even care in this tread because we are talking about mana issues not actual dps. The thing what ppl are requesting is removing mana bar from summoners. Removing mechanics from summoners is not right way fix the job, that is my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

When running out of mp use less festers and more energy drain simple as that.

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Might as well go Sch dpsing......plenty of mp to use none stop

I hope SE is reading this and I wonder if the jp community said a thing about it

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Originally Posted by Mature

Might as well go Sch dpsing......plenty of mp to use none stop

I hope SE is reading this and I wonder if the jp community said a thing about it

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SCH doesn't have a pet that does damage.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game. Sometimes i m in the pug groups that link dps from their meters and all meters usually show you different numbers, because numbers are not accurate and usually those can not not count dots very well so SMN is hardest dps calculate.

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So then, if every parser on earth is unreliable and wrong, how do you know if the SMN's DPS is balanced 'just right' in raid content, and 'the strongest' in all other encounters? The undisputable logical power of conjecture and feelings without factual data? A combat log and an abacus?

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Originally Posted by Krr

So then, if every parser on earth is unreliable and wrong, how do you know if the SMN's DPS is balanced 'just right' in raid content, and 'the strongest' in all other encounters? The undisputable logical power of conjecture and feelings without factual data? A combat log and an abacus?

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I m not saying it is balanced but thats what it should be. It is pretty logical because you can 100% fester in easy content so you should be top dps + you can use double aetherflow stacks in the begin of the fight that give u pretty big handicap compared other classes. I do not have any numbers because i m not using that kind of tools. I only have theory how things should work and usually every skill have some kind of purpose why those are in the ability list. In this case energy drain is on our ability list for purpose once we need mana.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game.

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First off, it's cute you said this statement because you did it, to try to devalue his opinion. Parsers are used regardless by the end-game raiding community and the numbers reflected are the numbers reflected.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

I'm not saying it is balanced but thats what it should be. It is pretty logical because you can 100% fester in easy content so you should be top dps + you can use double aetherflow stacks in the begin of the fight that give u pretty big handicap compared other classes. I do not have any numbers because i m not using that kind of tools. I only have theory how things should work and usually every skill have some kind of purpose why those are in the ability list. In this case energy drain is on our ability list for purpose once we need mana.

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There is a bias premise here for your argument. SMN DPS is higher based on the length of a fight, including uptime factors, which BY far effect the other DPS classes way more then SMN. Easy Content that dies in a very small amount of time, will come out favorable for a SMN but also a BRD low and behold. Just because you can focus Festering on easy content does not guarantee you top DPS and in most cases it won't on anything that lasts longer then about 2 minutes or so vs good players on any other class sans MAYBE a BRD.

SE needs to reduce the cool down of Enkindle to 60s then it'll be in line with other DPS jobs.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game. Sometimes i m in the pug groups that link dps from their meters and all meters usually show you different numbers, because numbers are not accurate and usually those can not not count dots very well so SMN is hardest dps calculate.

EDIT:And i m not saying summoner is doing good or bad dps and i do not even care in this tread because we are talking about mana issues not actual dps. The thing what ppl are requesting is removing mana bar from summoners. Removing mechanics from summoners is not right way fix the job, that is my opinion.

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News flash: there isn't a single high end raiding group in the game that doesn't use meters. The devs know about it and have demonstrated that they don't mind. Also our meters are usually the same numbers give or take 1-5 DPS.

The problem here is we're talking about numbers, and you refuse to use them, so your argument is literally meaningless. You really can't talk about SMN's DPS in relation to other classes if you don't even know what SMN and other classes do.

Also MP isn't the only issue here. Even with infinite MP, we'd still be competing for worst DPS in the game. The reason we do more DPS in shorter fights is not only because we run dry on MP, but because we have double Aetherflow stacks at the beginning of a fight, so our beginning-of-fight burst is reasonably high. The longer a fight goes, the smaller that portion of the fight becomes, and the more our DPS falls.

I understand that mp is not the only issue here but is the KEY problem for lowest dpsing. Just an example I can comfortably hit 430+ dps no echo in SCOB but if I do my same rotation on T10 I drop to 245 and hardly touching 300.... Due to the fact I already run out of mp by second set of adds....

I don't think people are requesting to remove the mana bar from a SMN but make doing what we need to do to stay competitive a little easier with a little more mana. As a SMN I don't think I should have unlimited mana--I know that's not fair, but I also don't think it's fair I have to go above and beyond to stay close to our BLM in Final Coil, but when I do that, I run out of mana. It doesn't feel balanced this way. Yes, you can compare SMN to melee then but unlike melee, SMN doesn't get a personal ballad. Melee + bard need TP song around the same time so it's not as much as a DPS loss compared to if a BRD just did ballad for SMN. So we have SMN with BLM (class buddies akin to drg, mnk, brd, and nin being class buddies) and BLM never needs ballad and that itself I think is unbalanced in that aspect.

Regardless, yes BLM have to go into Umbral to get MP back but their Blizz III, Blizz I still does about the same or more damage than an Energy Drain if I recall (I don't have time to do my own testing). After one Blizz III+Thunder II or Blizz III+Thunder I+Blizz I, BLM have full MP to go back to their Fire casting. And that's rinse and repeat. Yes, SMN has Aetherflow but if you're already just about OOM when you hit it, that mana you get is going to be gone if you go back to your regular rotation. Yes, you can use a stack or more to do energy drain to get a nice buffer of MP but compared to a BLM's umbral stage, SMN are still doing less damage--we can't just return to our regular rotation like a BLM can. I really don't mind using Energy Drain to get my MP back; I fully know that's what it's for and will use it if I need it, but if I have to use two or more so I don't have to plead for ballad, it starts to make me wonder why I didn't just roll BLM.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I understand that mp is not the only issue here but is the KEY problem for lowest dpsing. Just an example I can comfortably hit 430+ dps no echo in SCOB but if I do my same rotation on T10 I drop to 245 and hardly touching 300.... Due to the fact I already run out of mp by second set of adds....

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I think you're doing something terribly wrong if you drop to anything under 300. I can do 430 in T10 without completely running out of mana (though yes, I come close by second set of adds--our first week in there I did run out of mana but I've done it enough times to know when and where I can use my regular rotation and where I have to cut back), although I do use one aetherflow stack for energy drain during the last phase to make sure I don't run out completely.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

You can actually, if you think about how their MP is used and what all three have to do to regain it. SCH/SMN have basically the same regen tools and WHM has Shroud. All three WILL run into MP issues in drawn out fights if they are pushing their classes to the max possible (healing/stance dancing/dpsing). SCH may be able to delay that a bit longer than SMN/WHM but it WILL happen no matter what any of them do. The problem between the three of them now is that SMN will run dry a LOT sooner than the other two, leading to the "not playing Ballad solely for a SMN" issue. Get the SMN MP consumption in line with the healer level and Ballad would be timed appropriately for all three.

As far as the BLM MP system being the problem... whatever you're smoking I want some. Just because a single class has a unique MP system in the game that lets them cast continually, we're to completely gut that class and rebuild it from scratch (taking away that unique system) due to SMNs not being able to do their optimal rotation forever? O_o

That's like burning down the house to kill an ant. You would completely destroy what a BLM is were you to eliminate the Astral/Umbral system. No one is saying that SMNs need to be infinitely self-sustaining like a BLM, people are saying the MP system of the SMN needs to be tweaked to improve their staying power at max DPS levels to match the length of fights the devs are creating.

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Again... you can't compare healers to DDs. Healers mana consumption is dictated by the damage the party is taking. Those numbers fluctuate depending on the performance of the rest of the party. DDs have a consistent resource usage.

As for Blms. There is no reason to bring a class that needs extra attention to perform as well as its competition. I think that is agreed upon. Now the only way to alleviate that is to make all the casters either have unlimited resources or make all casters need the same extra attention. That is the formula for melee. They all need bard. That should also be the formula for all casters.

The more I think about this the more it feels like the solution would just be to unchain Energy Drain from Aetherflow and make Enkindle not suck for its horrendous cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

They all need bard. That should also be the formula for all casters.

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I disagree. Why should BRD be required in all progression groups?

The only problem with unchaining Energy Drain is that then it affects SCH. I dunno if that would offset how they are compared to WHM unless Energy Drain had about the same cooldown as Shroud (or half that depending on how much Shroud gives back compared to Energy Drain).

In my opinion, it would be better to remove the Aetherflow requirement from Fester rather than Energy Drain. Just put Fester on a 25s cooldown; DPS goes up a little, MP will last considerably longer, and SCH is left unchanged.

Unchaining fester or energy would make no sense because we could use energy drain every time once aetherflow is up (if no bane needed) and fester everytime it is out from the cd. Other words that would make us infinite mana without losing dps in any way. There would not be any kind of purpose having mana bar anymore if you never run out from the mana.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

Unchaining fester or energy would make no sense because we could use energy drain every time once aetherflow is up (if no bane needed) and fester everytime it is out from the cd. Other words that would make us infinite mana without losing dps in any way. There would not be any kind of purpose having mana bar anymore if you never run out from the mana.

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I have to disagree. 266MP per energy drain is not going to be giving us infinite MP, especially not if its tied to a decent timer like people are asking. But maybe they just need to add better medicines with not so long timers ._.?

I think if 1/3 aetherflows had to be used on energy drain for long fights that'd be fine, although you have to balance damage output around that. Which doesn't sound like it is, but if it were it'd be fine to have that resource management element there.

I know this is uncreative, but it could be neat to change SMN to be similar to BLM, though it'd be a pretty big revamp to SMN... And you'd probably have to give them a new Swiftcast-like ability that only works on summoning Egis... but what if SMNs had to cycle through different Egis to get different effects, like one of them gives MP, one of them is for dots and the other is for nuking or something? Like I said it would be a big revamp that would require changes to MP cost and cast times of summoning, but I think having to use multiple Egis in a fight makes it feel more like a Summoner while addressing some of the issues SMNs are having. (The above ideas were off the top of my head and not thought out at all, I leave that part to you all :P )

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I disagree. Why should BRD be required in all progression groups?

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It already is? If you don't need a bard for the melee than you aren't going to be running out of mana as a summoner, either. So this thread doesn't apply to those fights.

I'd ideally like to see actual support classes. That is a completely separate issue, though.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

It already is? If you don't need a bard for the melee than you aren't going to be running out of mana as a summoner, either. So this thread doesn't apply to those fights.

I'd ideally like to see actual support classes. That is a completely separate issue, though.

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That's what I'm saying. >_>

Optimal right now is PLD/WAR/WHM/SCH/MNK/NIN/BRD/BLM, at least on fights requiring two tanks. Someone pushing progression please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Now, PLD/WAR could be WAR/WAR or PLD/PLD without affecting too much. WHM/WHM is viable, SCH/SCH is less so but still probably works (Galvanize not stacking is still an issue). But you won't see any progression groups running without a BRD. In 2.0 and 2.1 BRD was the safety net of the group, only needed if something went wrong. In T8 and onward, though, it started becoming a required class in order to beat enrage timers. I'm asking for a return to how it was in 2.0. Whether that means shorter fights or more self-sufficiency for the other classes is up to the devs, but I don't see any reason that a BRD should be required in every single raid instance.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

That's what I'm saying. >_>

Optimal right now is PLD/WAR/WHM/SCH/MNK/NIN/BRD/BLM, at least on fights requiring two tanks. Someone pushing progression please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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Not pushing FCOB, but MNK/MNK is the melee DPS comp I've heard used by most world firsters, but otherwise I believe that's how it goes. Things are pretty flexible now that i120 is prevalent, though.

Except you always need a BRD. Literally. It's the only 'mandatory' job in the game right now for coil content, because there's no other viable method of TP restore post NIN nerf.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

I think if 1/3 aetherflows had to be used on energy drain for long fights that'd be fine, although you have to balance damage output around that. Which doesn't sound like it is, but if it were it'd be fine to have that resource management element there.

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This is pretty much that right now. If you need use more than 10 energy drains in 10min fight, you are doing something wrong. Turn 12 and 13 also take longer, but those turns have phases with little downtime that generate your mana.

And that is the thing what I have been requesting all of the time, but ppl wanna remove mechanic that already work very well.

Since I posted this in another thread, I'll post it here for more visibility:

To throw in my suggestion for how to at least fix the MP problem (since adjusting DPS is more than just "add 10 potency to all dots") would be something like a small refresh effect for using either Bane or Fester (make it one or the other). If you were to put it on Bane, have it scale up depending on how many targets you spread dots to. My thinking is that the times you're going to be using Bane the most are going to be your times of heavy MP useage, like T10 adds (RIP MP).

If you were to put it onto fester, make it a long-duration refresh, right at 20s (1/3 of an aetherflow CD, the effective CD of Fester). Give it the same MP gain as ED. So now you get to choose: do I sacrifice bursting harder to kill my target faster (killing fast adds) or do I hold back and recover more MP? The long duration of the refresh allows ED to still be useful for what its really meant for: quickly regaining MP. With ED you can still recover more than 600 mp in 9 seconds, compared to the full minute you would need from festers. ED would be a better choice at very low amounts of MP.

If you think that 266 MP is not a lot of MP to regain, you must be playing a different game. Its actually probably too much MP recovery but if the devs were to implement something like this then they would obviously fine-tune the numbers for what they want to accomplish. If you don't believe me: at 3000 MP using aetherflow gives you 600 MP back. You would gain more MP back from this refresh effect (if you spaced out your Festers) than you would from aetherflow by 66%.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

That's what I'm saying. >_>

Optimal right now is PLD/WAR/WHM/SCH/MNK/NIN/BRD/BLM, at least on fights requiring two tanks. Someone pushing progression please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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I guess my point was that a support class should be required for all content. Bard is the only one that fits the bill at the moment. The fact that it is required means it should be doing support type things. Which it does. For melee, tanks and healers. They should be helping manage caster resources, as well. The problem is they designed two caster classes. One is just like every other class and runs out of its resource eventually. The other is an outlier that requires no outside maintenance. That is the problem people here aren't getting.

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Originally Posted by KitanaiKoneko

Since I posted this in another thread, I'll post it here for more visibility:

To throw in my suggestion for how to at least fix the MP problem (since adjusting DPS is more than just "add 10 potency to all dots") would be something like a small refresh effect for using either Bane or Fester (make it one or the other). If you were to put it on Bane, have it scale up depending on how many targets you spread dots to. My thinking is that the times you're going to be using Bane the most are going to be your times of heavy MP useage, like T10 adds (RIP MP).

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Again, Bane would affect SCH as well so this would not happen.

I have basically given up on SMN getting a band-aid before the next patch cycle. However, if there were to be a new trait I would add to Arcanist that would benefit SMN dps it would be something like:

Aether Tap (ACN trait)
10% chance when pet deals critical damage or critical heals, will increase damage dealt by you and pet by 10% for 15 seconds. While active, 10% of damage dealt will be absorbed as MP.

The values could be tweaked for balance, but the key here is that only damage dealt is increased, while the absorb effect works similar to Bloodbath except with mp. A SCH that is focusing on healing won't be nearly as capable of maximizing the effect as a SMN could. Even if they did SCH would only restore a max of ~300 mp minus casting costs based on the current values during the Aether Tap uptime, while the SMN has Garuda racking up ticks along with 1k fester nukes to take full advantage of the effects.

Could it happen? Probably not. But I have hope that Heavensward has a hidden agenda regarding SMN buffs, and every post comes closer to bringing this to SE's attention.

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Originally Posted by Darsho

I have basically given up on SMN getting a band-aid before the next patch cycle. However, if there were to be a new trait I would add to Arcanist that would benefit SMN dps it would be something like:

Aether Tap (ACN trait)
10% chance when pet deals critical damage or critical heals, will increase damage dealt by you and pet by 10% for 15 seconds. While active, 10% of damage dealt will be absorbed as MP.

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That sounds like a good idea still my smn is getting dusty by now. We just cleared T10 yesterday (yes we are behind) without me using smn. At least I'm dpsing all the way thru the raid.... Sad that I had to dump smn for another class due to this mp business.