Bashing so much on the Devs and Yoshi-P? You should be ashamed.

How dare customers criticize the development team in charge of a property worth millions of dollars after a blatant demonstration of dishonesty and repeated mishandlings of the product they pay for. It's not as if their actions are given immense power to affect the experiences of thousands of people, "just a video game" or not!

What about the corporate masters' FEELINGS, you guys!?

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So lots of people are ragging and bring Yoshi-P and the devs down and they seem to forget how hard they have been working and how they resurrect the game.
I know that we are always excited about what's coming every patch and that this one kinda let lots of ppl down but bashing Yoshi and the team and even asking for Yoshi's resignation? what is wrong with everyone?
Suddenly all of you forgot their dedication?

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I'm sorry bro but this is something Tanaka from 1.0 would pull. Complete and utter failures like this are what led to 1.0. You don't need to white-knight this time.

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I'm sorry bro but this is something Tanaka from 1.0 would pull. Complete and utter failures like this are what led to 1.0. You don't need to white-knight this time.

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One can criticise a game/dev team without being rude or demanding someone quit their job.

Maybe that's the OP's point?

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Originally Posted by Cylla

oshi should've never said that housing was going to be affordable and starting around 850k.

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Before you accuse someone, you should at least get your FACTS right. Yoshida NEVER said that personal housing would start at around 850k. The original verbal exchange was Yoshi talking one of the Devs that 850k would not be enough, thanks to some mis translations and other reports since, that exchange seems to have been revised by commentators opinions, and the actual FACTS have been forgotten or ignored by many. Yoshi may well have said things like personal and FC housing would be separate, and the pricing would be more affordable, but in all fairness, he never, ever said that the guideline price for personal housing was 850k gil.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

He did say it would be separate and more affordable, though.

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Indeed, as I said..."Yoshi may well have said things like personal and FC housing would be separate, and the pricing would be more affordable". I acknowledge that, I'm not defending the implementation of personal housing, I just wish for people hurling insults and accusations to at least have the courtesy to do so from a factual basis. Spitting venom about 850k prices is pointless since it was NEVER said.

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He did say it would be separate and more affordable, though.

So right now, on my server (Balmung), the cheapest FC houses range from 31~40 million (and there are plenty of FCs that have been waiting a long time for a chance to buy a house).
Right now, on my server, the cheapest personal houses range from 31~40 million.

Yup, looks more affordable.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

just to clarify, they're not doubling the amount of wards, just doubling the amount of land in each ward.

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Indeed, I caught that in the message too, and it immediately made me wonder how they intend to double the amount of land, that smacks of redesigning the wards. Thing is, my FC mates and I carefully selected our location and spent months working together to finance the purchase ad build. So, if they rework the ward design to double the available land, what happens to the location we so carefully selected? I'm already concerned about the invalidation of FCs by allowing individuals all the housing perks of a Free Company, are we to expect our prime locations to be screwed over as well?

It's true he said 850k "won't be enough" to get a house, but on the very same quote he said "prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable"....which of course was an outright lie.

I don't care how much housing costs, 4m, 5m, 30m, 150m....whatever.....what irks me it's the lie.

If they had told us a week or so ago that the prices wouldn't be different, due to to changes in development would they then be liars?

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If they had told us a week or so ago that the prices wouldn't be different, due to to changes in development would they then be liars?

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And do you say "It is better to ask for forgiveness, then permission."?

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Oh excuse me miss white knight of SE. Forgive me for the 850k misunderstanding. :rolleyes: Doesn't even matter- if you want to defend the fact that they said one thing and totally did another and it poor design of how personal housing was even brought in to this game. So be it. I have nothing more to say to you with that attitude of yours.

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It's true he said 850k "won't be enough" to get a house, but on the very same quote he said "prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable"....which of course was an outright lie.

I don't care how much housing costs, 4m, 5m, 30m, 150m....whatever.....what irks me it's the lie.

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^ This right here. Again, even if the 850k thing was made up the fact still remains that he did say the prices would be different from the FC. It would have been nice if they were up front with us from the start.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Oh excuse me miss white knight of SE. Forgive me for the 850k misunderstanding. :rolleyes: Doesn't even matter- if you want to defend the fact that they said one thing and totally did another and it poor design of how personal housing was even brought in to this game. So be it. I have nothing more to say to you with that attitude of yours.

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You have nothing to say because your reading comprehension prevents you from realizing I am hardly playing white knight.

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One can criticise a game/dev team without being rude or demanding someone quit their job.

Maybe that's the OP's point?

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I just joined the fray myself but I have yet to see any demands that Yoshi-P resign, be flogged, or burned at the stake. I dont deny that some internet tool somewhere has said or will say something like that but almost every post I have read in the last few hours have players expressing their disappointment. At worst insulting him and the devs. OP makes it sound like YoshiP has become the Zoe Quinn of the FFXIV forums when I have yet to see one post go anywhere near that far.

Everyone stomping their feet about housing and attacking the devs.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Attenti...73d_927036.gif

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I just joined the fray myself but I have yet to see any demands that Yoshi-P resign, be flogged, or burned at the stake. I dont deny that some internet tool somewhere has said or will say something like that but almost every post I have read in the last few hours have players expressing their disappointment. At worst insulting him and the devs. OP makes it sound like YoshiP has become the Zoe Quinn of the FFXIV forums when I have yet to see one post go anywhere near that far.

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I believe it was on the Japanese forums someone said they were demanding his resignation.

In Japan, a big enough public blunder will scuttle your career for life, and they take this stuff way more seriously than we do when it comes to Honor and saving face.

Its not a US company, and they play by a whole different set of rules.

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You have nothing to say because your reading comprehension prevents you from realizing I am hardly playing white knight.

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Seeing as you only wanted to attack me over a misunderstanding hardly says anything about my reading comprehension. You came ball blazing in here attacking over the "850k" thing. Defending the fact that SE lied either way. You also didn't want to quote the rest of what I said which was that, a lie is a lie regardless. Therefore, go on and keep being the little white knight. Then again, you are right. I only did read the first few lines of your post. Maybe if you'd kept that poor attitude in check, I'd read the whole thing.

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I believe it was on the Japanese forums someone said they were demanding his resignation.

In Japan, a big enough public blunder will scuttle your career for life, and they take this stuff way more seriously than we do when it comes to Honor and saving face.

Its not a US company, and they play by a whole different set of rules.

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Square just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase FFXIV for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square, publicly apologize and fix housing or you can kiss your business goodbye.

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Agreed. I think too many people focused on that number...not what was actually said. I, myself did the same....I wanted so badly to beleive that number.

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Well, as I have said and Jeykama eluded to, no one ever said SQUAT to the players. We asked about Private housing since PRIOR to FC Housing. As someone else mentioned, FC housing was the "solution" to Private Housing until PH could be implemented. now, that's not entirely true. FC Housing was also supposed to be a place where we would be able to make Airships and do all this other, grandiose stuff. That hasn't come to fruition either.

But with PH, we have asked, and asked, and asked and whined, and wrote etc etc etc about info. We got NAFA. Zilch. Zero. Nothing! The speculation happened because of one question. Someone BLINDLY stabbing a Dev to PLEASE, for the love of the TWELVE, give us an answer? Anything?! We got it. It was a no. And a number in the question was used as a hopeful benchmark that was WOEFULLY wrong and off the mark. But, if the damn Devs, or SE or Yoshi could have given us info, a lot of people would be less pissed. I would have rather of like to have known at LEAST the price points of said housing. I could have purchased an FC house well before this fiasco, across or at least in the same ward as our FC house for HALF the 4 mil being asked on my Legacy Server. Now, instead, I have nothing. OH! Wait. I do have something. Bitterness. /glare (<please implement THIS as a new emote kthx)

Also, Noni? This wasn't directed at you. Just adding my own personal thoughts into it. ;-) We all or apparently ALL thought 850k was going to be the average. I expected up to 10 mil for the largest houses but damn.

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But with PH, we have asked, and asked, and asked and whined, and wrote etc etc etc about info. We got NAFA. Zilch. Zero. Nothing! The speculation happened because of one question. Someone BLINDLY stabbing a Dev to PLEASE, for the love of the TWELVE, give us an answer? Anything?! We got it. It was a no.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...44#post1685344
The original sin, in all its glory. Note the section on personal housing being far more affordable than FC housing and how it is reiterated as a major takeaway from his response.

I'm in love with this thread

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I believe it was on the Japanese forums someone said they were demanding his resignation.

In Japan, a big enough public blunder will scuttle your career for life, and they take this stuff way more seriously than we do when it comes to Honor and saving face.

Its not a US company, and they play by a whole different set of rules.

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Oh ... dam. I figured they'd be a lot nicer over there. Didnt really consider the nihonjins to be raging internet nerds like the western world, lol.

months of waiting and being deceived into thinking they were working hard...

"Oh nope! Just going to do a small administrative change so the first people online and with money on demand can obtain this new ~feature~"

Yet it's not ok to be mad?

I looked forward to things like Hunts, PVP, Chocobo raising... All a dissapointment and to top it off "personal" housing as well?

To be fair, I'm not really bashing the Devs and Yoshi-P. First time I'm speaking on the forums... but proper criticism is still allowed, and I really do think they really messed up this one.

This is not fair to anyone. FC Land and Personal housing land should be separate. This set up is not fair and it shouldn't have been done. I seriously think they need to go back and re-do this. This just... its practically unacceptable. This was a really poor move on their part. I felt they were doing a great job up to this point. This was just a horrible mistake and I am certain it can be fixed.

.... I hope.

XIV and XI producers feel that they can get away with this because of final fantasy fan loyalty. If you are paying, it is a non-issue. If you are willing to pay for the subs, how is this a issue? Would anyone knowingly pay for something they are unhappy with?

Just my 2 cents; not meant to be a shot at anyone and whatnot, just a humble observation.

Wow so many cry babies over such a beautiful game. Temper tantrums, yelling and name calling. Are you whiners actually laying on your backs and stomping your feet and hands while you cry? It is a game that costs 15 bucks a month for petes sake, compared to other forms of entertainment you should bitching at the movie companies for ripping you off for 15 bucks to watch a 2 hour movie..... Make suggestions or if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything at all. Having fits at people you don't even know (have you walked a mile in their shoes? I really doubt you have any idea what they go through) that have worked their arses off to build an awesome game over little "I want it now" spoiled brat rantings lol. I'm very glad they don't listen to the .05% of the population forum ragers. Chill folks, FFXI has gone on for 10 years, theres plenty of time to make sure you get what you WANT in the future. Oh and the white knight stuff LOL dam that cracks me up, it's like a racial slur (low blow) to tick off folks that don't 100% agree with you, real cheap. There are tons of other games that cater to everybodies DEMANDS, maybe the unhappy folks should go elsewhere?

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Did you even read the posts around you? You're the most unreasonable, whiny person on this page so far. The others are having pretty reasoned, calm discussion.

I don't believe you even read my whole post lol but yes, I was addressing the people that are crying bloody murder like its life and death or something.

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It is a game that costs 15 bucks a month for petes sake, compared to other forms of entertainment you should bitching at the movie companies for ripping you off for 15 bucks to watch a 2 hour movie.....

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I do in the form of my money back at the ticket counter for a complete waste of my time that would have been better spent in a form of entertainment of my choosing. I went to the movie because it promised me something, then did not deliver. Is SE going to give me my money back for the false advertisement in delivering something they haven't? I highly doubt it, nor do I expect it, but since I am a paying subscriber, I am entitled to my opinion. An opinion I state freely in the hopes that it creates a better game by letting them know my feelings on both the content released, and the game play thus far.

SE has always had great ideas with this game just poor execution

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Wow so many cry babies over such a beautiful game. Temper tantrums, yelling and name calling. Are you whiners actually laying on your backs and stomping your feet and hands while you cry? It is a game that costs 15 bucks a month for petes sake, compared to other forms of entertainment you should bitching at the movie com blah blah blah

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If you're going to take a holier than thou approach to people insulting each other, you might want to make sure you're not coming off as a massive hypocrite by doing the exact same thing.

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Wow so many cry babies over such a beautiful game. Temper tantrums, yelling and name calling. Are you whiners actually laying on your backs and stomping your feet and hands while you cry? It is a game that costs 15 bucks a month for petes sake, compared to other forms of entertainment you should bitching at the movie companies for ripping you off for 15 bucks to watch a 2 hour movie..... Make suggestions or if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything at all. Having fits at people you don't even know (have you walked a mile in their shoes? I really doubt you have any idea what they go through) that have worked their arses off to build an awesome game over little "I want it now" spoiled brat rantings lol. I'm very glad they don't listen to the .05% of the population forum ragers. Chill folks, FFXI hasgone on for 10 years, theres plenty of time to make sure you get what you WANT in the future. Oh and the white knight stuff LOL dam that cracks me up, it's like a racial slur (low blow) to tick off folks that don't 100% agree with you, real cheap. There are tons of other games that cater to everybodies DEMANDS, maybe the unhappy folks should go elsewhere?

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And apparently, you didn't read this entire thread. I'm going to post this here for you. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...72#post2441272 Second, going to make an assumption that you're straight trolling this thread and, possibly others just because your time as a member of the forums, is about as long as mine with very few comments. Most likely just to feed the fire.

I have no problems with the patch what so ever. Having the same wards as FC is fine with me. I was able to buy a house I don't mind spending a little gil on it. Let's me garden and grow chocobo food, and pets ect, and decorate the house with furnishings. I like the idea of having neighboors and its a lot more fun then what some people wanted which was an instance with 1 house. Just because some people didn't save gil they are complaining on the forums a bunch. I think they did a good job with the patch.

A prime example of someone who got what they wanted before everyone else and sees nothing wrong. Very dismissive and short sighted.

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A prime example of someone who got what they wanted before everyone else and sees nothing wrong. Very dismissive and short sighted.

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Well said!

Can I just say that not all of the unhappy people are flaming? Many have construction criticism and alternative ideas.

On the flip side, not all the people that are less bothered are white knighting it, so to speak. Many are admitting that things aren't perfect, but are still happy with the game as a whole.

Please keep in mind that it's the noisy ones on both sides that are making everyone look like crazy people. Its up to you to weigh how you feel, and whether the game can still be worth playing in your own mind.

If you decide that it is either worth or not worth your subscription fee, then whatever you decide is fine. But please don't judge people with an opposing viewpoint too harshly.

@Zumi

Oh really so because your one of the less than 1% of 2.3million registered players who managed to get a plot to date, you don't think the large amount of people who want a plot but cannot get one because not just of pricing but ridiculously low quantity of plots and which happen to fall into the remaining 99% category have any reason to complain?

As Jican says, how nice of you to admit you got what you want but all your doing is coming across as saying screw everyone else who hasn't and cannot get the same or that's how your comment feels to me. The feature of player housing should be available to all not 1-2% of the player base. Having a price that makes it something have to work towards is fine in general but having only enough plot's for 1% of their customers is not.

The price is not the biggest issue, it is secondary to the extreme limitation of plots available.

I appreciate the hard work they put into the game, but a screw up is still a screw up.
I'm not going to lambast them for the public housing, but I have no qualms about expressing my disapproval over how it's being handled.
Some people get too excited and overreact, but that's true of everyone in the public eye. If you can't learn to laugh off the ludicrous threats and rabid reactions, you're going to have it rough.

The killing blow to it all is that he sat right there and lied to us...
I mean it would not of been so bad if he had some updates to it, later on and changed what he said, but he didn't.
I'm sick of these "Oh and..!" last minute, nothing we can do ... updates.
They need to stop that. I said this before on FC house.
They should revealed the prices WAAAAY before the time, then get some feedback of the community...then we could
all agree on a good price. I love Yoshi and he's cute lol, but please stop leaving us in the dark all the time.

As someone else said, they always have good idea's in mind, then it comes out really...really bad.
I still have a hard time believing how they possibly rushed the housing thing...

Theirs a reason their was no personal housing preview, like every other content had got prior.
They knew this would happen, they knew this would cause a reaction, they knew it would explode after.
It's not an oversight by SE not adding enough wards, it's an insult to their entire subscriber base that they ignore it and just promise the "oh hey a few more plots in the future,, maybe"

So many entitled people, there are far worse things in an MMO, but this is why FF players are considered the worst community, most other mmos run like trash and die very quickly, be grateful at the least this hasnt.
Housing doesnt make or break a game, a game that cant function in its basics like bugs or what not break a game, grow up people.

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So many entitled people, there are far worse things in an MMO, but this is why FF players are considered the worst community, most other mmos run like trash and die very quickly, be grateful at the least this hasnt.
Housing doesnt make or break a game, a game that cant function in its basics like bugs or what not break a game, grow up people.

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Your post seems one of the most childish in here so I do not think telling people to grow up is something you should do, just because you do not care about housing does not mean others feel the same or that they should feel as you do about it. I personally couldn't care less about hunts for example but I sure as hell don't go into threads about the flaws currently with hunts and tell people to grow up and be happy hunts exist. You are more akin to part of the problem with the community than those you criticize because your so lacking in compassion and so intolerant of the needs and wants of others that you feel the need to insult them on something that means very little (if anything at all) to you. It is that intolerance and disdain towards others who want to enjoy the game as much as you do even if that enjoyment comes from other elements of the game than you enjoy most which makes a community far worse off.