My point was that the dungeon was designed with the intention to blast through in order for 1 of the missing chests to appear, it is one of the strategy's required to get everything the dungeon has to offer. Its also not the only way to do the run, by clearing extra mobs like the drakes, you get a bonus chest there and if you really wanna impress ppl you could try doing a full run w/o missing any chests. That would be pretty epic. Not even sure if its possible.
Its just funny that some ppl thought the mechanic was broken allowing ppl to run sleep and gun through when they had that exact tactic in mind and force you to do this in order to get a chest.
<-this has the datestamp right in it (July 26 at 2:00 a.m. PDT)Quote:
It looks like about 280 people have cleared Dzemael Darkhold (as of Tuesday, July 26 at 2:00 a.m. PDT / at 9:00 a.m. GMT). But there are rewards you can’t get just by killing the last boss. Stick to it, though, and keep searching for the key to unlocking that additional treasure! (That’s a metaphor. It’s not an actual key...)
I didn't realize that video by mog was posted the day that the letter was posted. I'm sure some groups had already got most of the bonus chests from betraal but you were right he probably was talking about all the bonus chests in general.
Requesting Dungeon Fix: No more despawning mobs!
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08-01-2011, 10:22 PMtachikoma
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08-01-2011, 10:30 PMRenshiDisagreeing with the Boss Following, Agreeing with the rest!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
My first run to Dzemael Darkhold was F*CKING RETARDED! It was like people going forward without even noticing the friggin' monsters, like "lol, look at that douchebag" for every monster crossing the path, and we just activate the Magitek Devices without a single care of anything.
First time doing it, party saying absolutely nothing on what to do, I just had to go forward and do nothing because I didn't know what to do, so I attacked the first monster to clear the path, like I did in the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, but everyone started running, and I was like "Wha-wahwazwoht-WHAT!?".
I don't know if it's impossible to go to Batraal while killing the monsters, but I'm gonna try it, and if that's not true, then you guys'd better shut up and eat your keyboards. Whoops! =D -
08-01-2011, 10:34 PMArcellNo but to get the 5th chest you need to beat it in 25 minutes or less. Try doing that while killing every last creature in the dungeon. You can run through by intentional design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichi
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08-01-2011, 11:19 PMTheVedisyes, killing the last boss faster...is a reward you can get by NOT killing the last bossQuote:
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08-02-2011, 12:09 AMakumutensaisorry i can't understand what your saying, but you do know he is referencing the 25 min time limit to kill Batraal to unlock the bow/sword chest? it would be impossible to do that if you had to fight all those mobs. i guess they could change the requirement for that chest.... but i still think you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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08-02-2011, 12:11 AMTheVedishe straight up said killing the boss had nothing to do with what yoshi saidQuote:
Originally Posted by akumutensai
if thats the case, then um....how do you get the last chest without killing the boss in 25 minutes:P
ive moved on from the original post i made in this thread if you havent noticed, but some people just post flat out incroect information -
08-02-2011, 12:22 AMakumutensaii guess he edited his post then.Quote:
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08-02-2011, 12:24 AMTheVedisthe point is, as i said, i MOVED ON from the original point of the post(though the fact it has 30 likes says something now doesnt it?)Quote:
Originally Posted by akumutensai
i have started to make other suggestions for future dungeons so this doesnt become an issue
such as giving trash mobs rare drops(like dynamis) thatl make people want to kill them instead of skipping everything every time like they are now
i personaly will always hate the zerg method...but i can live with it to an extent, and i continue to make suggestions to fix this for the future :D -
08-02-2011, 12:29 AMakumutensaii think the fact that the people disagreeing with you seem to have alot more likes says even more about your idea. and the fact that both your threads are getting flamed says alot too. people like to do things different ways. they dont wanna be forced to kill everything which does make your other idea alot better. i like the darkhold because you can go for the speed run on the last chest or you can hit everything in between to get all the other chests.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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08-02-2011, 12:31 AMTheVedisive already said why im getting flamedQuote:
Originally Posted by akumutensai
people dont want dungeons with trash mobs
they want bosses that drop loot
thats ALL they want
these are the people who are gonna lov ifrit prime cuz they wont have to go through any hassle just fight him probly -
08-02-2011, 12:36 AMOibafQuote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
I don't see the problem man.
If you want to destroy anything you can do that no?
I think that this way, anyone is free to use the strategy that he prefers.
I've done both ways, the total killing and the total running and I found both funny, I don't see why there should be only one way. -
08-02-2011, 12:37 AMakumutensai
i guess so. like i said i enjoy the opportunity to take multiple approaches or to just go in and farm, which would work very well with your other idea and seems to work in the darkhold now. i would assume there is some endgame or dungeons in the works with more variety such as what you suggest but thx for puttin ideas out there.
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08-02-2011, 05:59 AMShian
The point of this dungeon is to give parties options.
You have the clear method (A), which gives you SP.
You have the loot method (B), which you train to the end and maximize the loot against your time.
You have the speed method (C), which you HAVE to do in order to get the final chest.
There is no problem in the way the dungeon is presented and truthfully, only two of these methods require any kind of skill what so ever. Training to the end of the dungeon requires a lot of coordination and it requires the party to be able to communicate effectively, otherwise you will not be able to complete it regardless. So if your party is not skilled enough to complete the dungeon in this manner, then go to "Option A", which is clearly the most suitable way for most parties.
There is a good 1% of the population that can even do "Option C" and doing that as effectively as possible is hard enough as is. It requires extreme coordination, timely speed in activating Battle Regiments as well as fortitude and focus to enable said Battle Regiments without the rest of the party "stating" that a Battle Regiment is going up as well as having the proper set up to maximize damage. Not only do you have to do this properly, but you have to do it quickly and we all know that a lot of times, you can end up sitting there waiting for others to join you for those things and that wastes time.
If you honestly think that "zerging" or "speed running" through the dungeon is improper, I would like to see you post a youtube video of your attempts. Can you gather seven other people, lead them and have them follow you to the bitter end regardless of how many times you'll fail? Would you be able to stand on top of the rest and show the world that you have the ability to lead a group of people effectively and complete an objective like finishing this run within 25 minutes?
If it was as easy as saying, "complete it in 25 minutes", more parties would do it and obviously, that's not the case because only a handful of groups can even finish Ogre. An even smaller number than that can finish Batraal and smaller yet, can finish Batraal in under 25 minutes.
What went wrong with the dungeon may not necessarily be the way it's designed, have you ever considered that what went wrong with the dungeon may be your inability to get a group together to finish all options? -
08-02-2011, 06:13 AMArcellGiving incentive without forcing people is good. Initially you wanted people to stop forcing you to use the zerg method but in doing so you were trying to force them to use your preferred method. Incentive is a happy middle ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
Trash mobs dropping rares is good. They could also do it like Phantasy Star Universe where at the end of any given mission if you killed all the creatures you got a better rank. Obviously they wouldn't use the same method but the same kind of thing stands, have a chest(s) pop once all monsters in the dungeon have been killed at the end or something like that. -
08-02-2011, 06:14 AMChain
Lets remove the timer all together, or just keep the timer there to award the extra loot. Shouldn't dungeons be about fighting and possibly killing stuff, not seeing if you can rush through the trash mobs fast enough to actually fight the bosses.
Make trash much harder, stay away from aoe zergs if possible, make the bosses stomp all over groups that are not prepared. (This is speaking on tot-rak) Haven't ran Darkhold, though I assume or at least hope that it's much more of a challenge.
You could keep the chests the way they are and award them to people who were able to beat the clock without punishing the people that couldn't. One loot chest would be completely fair to groups that were able to get their heads together and kill the boss, even if not as fast as others may be able to. Who cares if it takes them 4 hours in there to get 1 piece of loot? is it going to break the game? -
08-02-2011, 06:28 AMKinseykinzLOL... Dude Belial you made my day :) All I have to say is if your big Higlander Hyur butt is scared of them, imagine my little lalafells horror!Quote:
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08-02-2011, 06:41 AMRuri
If they mean for us to kill the mobs we need timer extensions. Such as 10 mins for mid boss and maybe 10 mins for clearing the quest mob room at the end?
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08-02-2011, 07:35 AMVexerus
Just wait til we get materia crafted gear, advanced job classes, better gear drops, changes to the way stats work, etc.. All this will make us BETTER and the dungeon EASIER. No need to nerf the dungeon!