Yo Yosh, Can you please disable the ability to teleport?

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Apparently "this function" is called as air-ships just bcoz it is FF. ^^;
Actually they can just turn the air-ship into a device for teleporting between 3 countries (in fact now it is),
At the moment I will suggest everyone just consider "air-ship" as an event of the main story quest (lv20?) ^^;

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I'm shocked you are the only person to even bring up airships during this whole thing. Thank you!

And to some people above me:

To the person whom I made cringe, you must be new here, I've done my threads like that since there was even a forum for FFXIV, I don't even have to do that, people will still know who I am. So, please get over yourself.

Mugiawara: I don't play the game anymore, I'm just checking up to see how it is progressing, though, slowly, seems like it's made improvements.

Zephyr:
You are definitely not seeing the bigger picture here.

Ok, how about we do this, lets make every game from now on and make it linear, no open world, nothing to explore, would you like that? The fact you are playing an mmo suggests other wise. So, if you say there is no point in traversing the world, why even have a world there in the first place?

You talk about time constraints, why even grind out gear? Why even level? There's many things that can be tedious and pointless to people, traveling to you is one of those things, but for me and others it makes the world that much more enjoyable.
You will probably now say, don't force your style of play onto me... Well what about those people who don't like to get the best gear, yet you won't invite them to your parties unless they do? Or what about those people who don't like to level up other classes and they are lacking abilities but their linkshell or other people force them to do so. So when you people stop telling others how to play a game, I will try and stop making a game change that is actually good for the longevity of a video game and overall health of it.

And this and many others who are trying to give suggestions see that big picture:

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Originally Posted by Skander

I think the OP is more referring to what consequences the ease of travel place on content in place, rather than what he would like to do (or see others do) personally. Difficulty in commute can have a lot of positive effects, even if not particularly well received. It would stimulate the economy, reduce RMT activity, encourage camping over exploitation... An open 'world' is less a world and more like a group of rooms that all connect to one another as it stands. And less immediate transport would undoubtedly do a lot to change that.

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Originally Posted by Komoritane

I read a book by a successful game designer who said, "Walking is not gameplay."

You guys can ride your chocobos around Eorzea to your heart's content, while the rest of us are having fun in dungeons because we saved time using teleport. :)

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Ok, have fun doing those dungeons without walking or running, please, if I ever come back to this game and I see you move, I'm going to call you out on it. every part of a game is gameplay. You are playing a game, if you press a, b, c, or box doesn't matter what happens on screen you are playing with it.

Wait, you don't even play the game, and yet you still want to force your idea of what a fun play style is on everyone who does actually play the game. Do you know what it means to obtrude? That's exactly what you're doing.

I suppose someday if I love long enough to see real life teleportation become a reality (if of course it ever does) I'll see you on a street corner shouting out how the world is too small...

How would this stop RMT? RMT is going to exist either way.

If you're worried about gil, I don't know, actually PLAY the game? It's hard NOT to make gil.

I have explored the world of ARR and if I'm not in a hurry then I usually just use my mount to travel around.
Teleportation cost gil and is your solution to get somewhere fast when you need to get to gathering node, hunt mark or anything else and don't have time to walk through half of Eorzea.
OP is asking to get rid of teleportation to get the game world seem bigger?!? Could simply honestly admit that he doesn't like that obviously someone got to NM faster because of teleporting.
"Teleporting makes world feel smaller" is pretty stupid argument. Get your job and then you will realize that you don't have so much time to "explore the world" anymore.

Start a new character and go through it without teleporting. Let's hear your opinion then.

Frankly with hunts I've seen way too much of the zones so far(I port into a zone then run around the possible mark spawn points for an hour or two) so running through them just to get there no thanks. I do agree that some zones with 2 aetherytes don't make much sense. But as much as people complain about how small a world it is - it doesn't feel to me - to me it's more along the lines of the zones being just right - anything bigger it would feel to big and anything smaller would feel small.

Would I like to see duration air ship travel... yes. But I think for that there needs to be some lore stuff sorted first - as it is air ship travel is dangerous so the fast port around makes atelast some sense - trying to get from A to B as fast as possible - wouldn't be much to see etc...

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

In the original version of the game teleport cost Anima, a sole resource dedicated to teleport, you could only had 100 anima, and teleport costs where as theya re now, the further you wished to teleport, the more expensive it was. The only way to recover anima was by letting time go by, and if I don't recall badly it was 1 anima point each 6h, so you had to manage how often you teleported.

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Sounds reasonable imo lol
wonder y SE changed it, was it cuz ppl QQd so hard ?

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I don't play the game anymore, I'm just checking up to see how it is progressing, though, slowly, seems like it's made improvements.

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9 pages for this? Ugh.

And to echo what so many people have already said, nothing stops you from not using teleport. After I get home from work, I usually workout, then after that I have to sort out food... sometimes I have 1-2 hours tops to play, I don't want to spend it running around. No-one is forcing you to teleport anywhere if you would rather run around!

I like the XI system where there are like 6 major teleports in the world, and you have to hoof it from there to any place you need to go.

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Originally Posted by Rex

Wow...Rokien is still around? Thought you quit in the Beta because you thought this game was going no where or something.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

Rokien still plays? O_o

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Here's why:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Poor-Rokien%21

lol

Anyways, welcome back! lol

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Originally Posted by Rex

I can also accept this Dannythm. However, it was the same exact case in 1.0. Except those of us who had the ability to travel through teleportation had a thing called "Anima" that needed to be recharged over time due to "fatigue" of teleporting this way. Now we just pay gil to endlessly teleport.

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Red my other posts in this thread, I played 1.0 and I'm 100% for bringing back anima.

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Originally Posted by Komoritane

I read a book by a successful game designer who said, "Walking is not gameplay."

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Whoever said that doesn't know about game design, and I don't care how successful he is, because as far as I know exploring is gameplay, and games such as, Myst, Dark/Demon Souls, Elders Scrolls and Fallout, any Sandobx and many more (most RPG's ever) prove that walking and exploring is a really important part of the experience.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Sounds reasonable imo lol
wonder y SE changed it, was it cuz ppl QQd so hard ?

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It goes well with the whole new player friendly approach Yoshi decided to add to the game, it seems that he thought having to manage anima could stress some players, and as everything else he thought it could stress players, it got removed.

I wish there was more immersion in traveling like in FFXI but I also remember how excruciating it was trying to go back and forth for mundane tasks.

I think the middle ground is to just make teleports more expensive for the expanded areas in 3.0

anyways, I do understand decision behind changing anima to gil for gil sinks.

Still, if I wanna choose, I rather have anima system back myself. All the time I play 1.0 & ARR making me realize that gils are more wasted in ARR than 1.0.

Won't ever happen. Teleports have been around since the launch of FFXIV v1.0, but instead of gil it used the Anima system.

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Originally Posted by Rex

Tedium? Isn't it part of an RPG to TRAVERSE these worlds? All the work the team put into these lands...all the detail in the remote places...and they're skipped 80% of the time because people just want to constantly teleport. This is literally why the sightseeing log was implemented. And yes, to each their own, but I just feel that I explored XI more than I do in XIV, even when I decide to walk. But what can you do.

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You should do more quests, I guess
Or play more DoL classes

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

Whoever said that doesn't know about game design, and I don't care how successful he is, because as far as I know exploring is gameplay, and games such as, Myst, Dark/Demon Souls, Elders Scrolls and Fallout, any Sandobx and many more (most RPG's ever) prove that walking and exploring is a really important part of the experience.

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Are you kidding? It's not "exploring" when you've been in the area before, walking just the same damn path to get from A to B that you already walked the first time in order to attune with the Aetheryte in the first place, so you could teleport there the next time.

I'm lucky that I generally have ~4h/day to play during weekdays... but out of those 4h... I'll run ST once or twice(there goes 90-120 min), drexpert(30min), gather a few things(depending on what's needed and what time slots I can hit), do maps(there goes usually 30-60 min since doing them with friends). So that's generally my time when I'm not training coil or some ex or something. Without teleport I would be only able to do one or the other type of content. No thanks. Balancing all this along with helping FC mates with fates, dungeons, crafting, gathering is hard enough as it is.

I'm still not done all the sightseeing logs so I still have a purpose to roam around the areas searching for those(without guides). And I try to do a hunt or two here and there(which means patrolling a zone over and over for over an hour until I hit a spawn or someone shouts).

OP sounds like he's just mad that everyone kills Hunts on his server before he can get to them.

Didn't they have a different currency for teleports in 1.0 similar to leve allowances. By limiting the player to 5 or 10 teleports a day (can save up to 100) we can stop players from spamming the hunts constantly, and also encourage people to travel the old fashioned way just a little bit more which would make the open world feel a bit more busy / alive.

I wonder why this was changed to gil for teleporting?

it all comes back to the hunts doesnt it oohh well i alrdy said my part on that subject, but removing teleports would make the world seem bigger since u gotta run everywhere

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Here's why:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Poor-Rokien%21

lol

Anyways, welcome back! lol

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Wow, I never knew he talked about himself so well on a different account! That's kind of lame, Rokien. :rolleyes:

Rokien...
Rokien...
hmmmmmmmm.

If I recall correctly, wasnt Rokien the guy that opened about 5 posts a day during 1.0 / ARR Beta complaining about every single thing, from grass quality to character voices?

EDIT: Oh ok, just saw your post BobbinT, yep he is XD

In the world of Eorzea it would makes sense for them to place those crystals in as many places as possible, you know for convenience, so from a logical stand point it makes sense.

Hate to always be bringing up FFXI but seriously why not have a crystal for just the main regions. (thanaland, shroud and la noscea) (mea, holla and dem) so you can still travel relatively efficient. OH and due to more walking/riding you would defiantly come across more HUNTs.

and you can keep the other ones in mor dhona and the corths.

yanno... i actually agree with this post. NOT in the manner that he collected it but in the concept he produced. Maybe instead of using gil to teleport (since the theory of your character spending the gil to help maintain the area you are teleporting to is kind of wishy washy) they went back to the old ways where teleports would cost Anima and the only way to refill your stock was to do a specific quest for items or wait for time to pass.

In this scenario, airships and the ferry become used more and players will travel the land more frequent instead of just porting around everywhere. And yes i know with Hunts it would suck to have to walk to a mark but maybe if they make all marks require a lot of people (due to a massive regen that you need the DPS to handle, or some mechanic) instead of a tiny group being able to kill them with ease, players would be more intimidated and wait for more to show up.

My thoughts on it. No hate intended

I just want a make a small point in this thread. I do not really care about teleports, this is just a small point about a specific argument that people use ALL the time when someone asks for a change, that boggles my mind.

This whole "You don't have to use it if you don't want to."
This, right here, is a completely stupid and is the epitome of a argument that is not well thought out in any way whatsoever. Simply put, as gamers, no as Human beings, we always always will take the most efficient way possible. This is especially true for MMO games. For example, if we were to introduce a instant level 50 button, it doesn't matter if it's a choice or not, 99% of the population of the game would use it. Why? Because an efficient way exists and because of that, people will use it.

For example, if I was to come to you and tell you that I want a service that I pay £5 for and get an instant lvl 50, with full ilvl 100 gear, you would disagree. You'd bring up a list of reasons of why you don't want it, and that it'd ruin the game, you'd skip content. Yet I would argue that "The content is still there if you want to do that. You don't have to use the service, it's a choice." Now let's imagine that this service was implemented. What would happen? Most of the population would use it. If you'd use it isn't the problem. The point is, most people simply would.

See how stupid that argument is now? The argument simply does not work and should not be used. If you have an argument against a change, formulate one without clutching for stupidity.

This argument shows it doesn't work, with flying mounts in WoW an the changes they will be implementing in the beginning of WoD. Blizzard don't want people to skip content with flying mounts and so people are not allowed the use of flying mounts in the new zone for the first patch. Yet people came and complained saying "If you don't want to use them, don't. I do." But if they WERE allowed, everyone would simply use them for the convenience of it, regardless of the effect on the game.

Rokien has a point here, we can't just remove teleports, but teleports are actually free, no matter what you do, you can cover the gil used for telerpoting in no time, so yes, this game is too friendly with traveling, and i'll say more, convenience kills fun in the end, that's why we have the half of the player-base complaining of boredom the third week after a new update, everything is handed to us and even w/o rushing we end getting bored of the new content.

You have to play 1-2h/day max to really have fun, and some MMO players are not "healthy" enough to be satisfied with this short play time.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

This whole "You don't have to use it if you don't want to."
This, right here, is a completely stupid and is the epitome of a argument that is not well thought out in any way whatsoever. Simply put, as gamers, no as Human beings, we always always will take the most efficient way possible.

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It's not a stupid argument. When I have time on weekends I will use my mounts and I will run to city states or camps rather than teleporting, as I have time and I rather like the aesthetics of the open world. When I have less time I opt for convinience. What is stupid is to tarnish an entire gaming population with one brush. Brayflox was for a time the most efficient myth farming but I know plenty of people who didn't do it (including myself) because they CHOSE not to.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Once you make it easier for people to do something, you can't really take it away with out heavy backlash.

And I actually fully agree with you on why it should be done.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

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So you are comparing teleports to a free lv50 job ticket? Using your line of tought, why not make a button that insta kills Twintania? Why not one for finishing T9 and getting the drop for the class you are using?

Btw, you can ask everything you want, it not necessarily means its a good service and that yoshi is gonna listen to it. Progressing from lv1 to lv50 lets u learn how to play the game, to progress in the story, how you came from zero to hero....

Some people like teleporting, some people like walking. What's the sure way to please both? Having teleports, so you can either walk or teleport. Taking away teleporting will only make one of the sides upset about it.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Once you make it easier for people to do something, you can't really take it away with out heavy backlash.

And I actually fully agree with you on why it should be done.

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Well, if WoW can eliminate flying mounts for the next expansion because they realized that it trivialized content, I don't see why Yoshi couldn't limit the teleport, it could even be tied to the lore and some events in-game.

To anyone that wishes to run around everywhere you go, I urge you to either play Dragon's Dogma or watch LPs of it. That game is a great example of what happens when you limit transportation: repetitive, boring backtracking. FFXIV will become stale enough where riding a chocobo from your town to the nearest beastmen will become a chore. I believe the better solution is to give more scenic choices, like expanding on chocobo ports, but giving more limited access to other exclusive transportation devices.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

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Lack of self-control is no reason to force restrictions onto everyone else. "If you don't like it, don't use it" is a perfectly valid response to these kinds of overreaching demands. People who want to teleport can, people who don't aren't forced to. It's called choice. If they suddenly remove or restrict teleports they're removing choice for no real reason other than an arbitrary timesink. Yes, when presented with a choice people generally seek the path of least resistance, but that's also just an excuse people like to use to hide their own weak will. Kind of like people who try to sue McDonald's for "making them fat". If you aren't exploring it's because you don't want to, teleports have nothing to do with it. Being forced to take the scenic route every single time won't make it any more enjoyable, it will actually make you resent it.

Likening teleportation to getting an instant level 50 class is also a poor comparison. Between leveling a character and traveling, only one of them is actual content (hint: it isn't traveling). And don't get my wrong, I like to explore new zones. But after I see everything a particular zone has to offer I want to get through it as quickly as possible on subsequent visits so I can actually spend time on the content I enjoy.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I don't play the game anymore

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"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know..." --Walter Sobchak

When will you stop, Rokien? You have been beating the dead horse of "TELEPORTATION BAAAD!" since the early days of 1.0, and it's the same conversation every...single...time...

You don't play the game anymore. Why can you not move on?

The world feels small because the world IS small. Don't take away teleport just make the world huge! plz? :(

All they need to do is make more Airships and Summoing Stones for Raids/Dungeons. That's how WoW did it for a long time and honestly, it was way better than this system. They could also increase the speed of Mounts as atm they are agonisingly slow.
The Fast Travel in this game is just ridiculously over used and it does ruin the immersion in the world which really, is what you should play an MMO for.

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Originally Posted by Juncat

... does ruin the immersion in the world which really, is what you should play an MMO for.

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Would you kindly refrain from telling people what their reasons for doing something "should" be? This is almost as bad as the OP trying to change a game he quit playing for people who still play it.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I gave up on this ages ago, people seem to enjoy their line simulation games instead of adventure games.

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If I wanted to play an Adventure Game, it surely would not be an MMO, but an ACTUAL 2D point-and-click adventure like Monkey Island, or Deponia. Y'know, like the old times.

Stop trying to make the world 'more dangerous' in your opinions. Once it happens you'll all start to hate it anyway. Just look at Hunts, same thing happened there. Don't give people exactly what they want, Square, please.

Wouldn't mind limiting teleports again by the use of the anima currency (or whatever it was called in 1.0)
In exchange they should link the chocobo porters better, it's annoying that I have to switch two or three times to get anywhere.

But I don't really see what would be gained from forcing everybody to ride everywhere.
I explored every zone in depth when I quested there, I explored them again while hunting atmas, again when I go and gather mats, again when I do hunts.
For my part I must say that I explore more than enough, what would I gain by riding along the same roads again and again to get from settlement A to settlement B?
- Roads are usually safe, no monsters around and most wouldn't attack a lvl 50 char anyway.
- Chatting while riding? Nope
- Immersion? Yes, the loading screens between zones are so realistic... (sarcasmn)

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Here's why:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Poor-Rokien%21

lol

Anyways, welcome back! lol

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The OP is replying in that thread asking about Rokien, basically proves its not him. Thank god.

Or it is him and hes that egotistical to talk about himself on a fake account. Jesus christ.