Do I have to control Eos?

If you don't want to have to control your fairy, roll with selene. Your healing will suffer a bit from lack of healing buff and rouse+whispering dawn but that's the price you pay for letting fairy go auto

Granted i'm not on second coil but everything else i've been healing the heck out of with no problems, Eos on sic. I do place and heel etc. eeevery blue moon I'll control her a bit on obey but mostly I don't and I haven't been called a bad healer. If there is another sch in the group I might selene and control her to hopefully silence something but that's about it. I plan on trying it more with Eos for unavoidable aoe fights but other than that let her be FREEEE!

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Originally Posted by Charisma

It exists for a reason yes, but not because its necessary to use it. the reason is FREEDOM.

You dont really need to, but if you want to be more useful, incase of failure which others or you cause, you should.

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I wouldn't say it's entirely true to put it that way.
I can be a tank that doesn't use my cool downs. It's there but not necessary to use it. It's freedom! Would I gimp the party? yes. So would a SCH that doesn't control fairies.

If you can control even embrace to heal more frequently (if left alone fairies are a little slow), you can free up yourself to do other stuff such as putting up DOT.

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Originally Posted by chococo

I wouldn't say it's entirely true to put it that way.
I can be a tank that doesn't use my cool downs. It's there but not necessary to use it. It's freedom! Would I gimp the party? yes. So would a SCH that doesn't control fairies.

If you can control even embrace to heal more frequently (if left alone fairies are a little slow), you can free up yourself to do other stuff such as putting up DOT.

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There is a difference however. Not controlling Eos is a healing loss yes, but short of SCoB a SCH by themselves with little involvement from Eos is enough to heal an encounter readily and ably.

I main scholar and i suggest to control Eos even if its to a low degree, if you want to be a more "Effective" scholar. Personally I have her abilities on hotbar and macro. Also Im not just talking about group settings even in solo missions it helps to take control. I use here to lure monsters out of the way if they are going to slow me down for a mission or make her gain hate by making her heal while I wait for a moment. I know lots of people say dont worry about using her in early dungeons and they are partly right but why wait for the harder battles to learn to control her when you can get the hang of it in the easier dungeons.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

There is a difference however. Not controlling Eos is a healing loss yes, but short of SCoB a SCH by themselves with little involvement from Eos is enough to heal an encounter readily and ably.

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I'm not disagree with what you said there. But put it in another perspective, if fairy can heal more to reduce sch's healing input, sch can do more dmg (benefiting the group). It's just the difference between a top notch player and a good player.

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Originally Posted by chococo

I'm not disagree with what you said there. But put it in another perspective, if fairy can heal more to reduce sch's healing input, sch can do more dmg (benefiting the group). It's just the difference between a top notch player and a good player.

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I agree, controlling Eos's actions directly does make you a better player. But short of SCoB level content I don't feel it is a necessity. I personally micro manage the devious Ifrit pulling bast...I mean loving fairy.

I use Obey on both fairies. I have read quite a few people saying to leave Selene on 'sic.' That just seems like a waste to me. She will cast Fey Light/Fey Glow off cooldown, but will often waste it. A good example is during turn 9 during the golem phases/meteor placing. When you are just standing there waiting for meteors to drop, it is a huge waste if Selene is like 'lol buff skill time!' when there is nothing to attack. You want to get used to controlling those abilities manually.

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Originally Posted by FleabittenGrey

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Well, that's not really the issue, because either glow/light will be up at all times anyway, given their durations and cooldown lengths... I understand your point, but it's not really ever an issue with Selene...

And this is coming from someone who has both fairies on Obey 100% of the time, but Selene being on Obey is not so much about the buffs (though, yes, I do shuffle through them manually), but about manual Embrace control and maximizing the fairy HPS via constant keybind spamming when it wouldn't otherwise Embrace. As far as Eos goes (which the topic was for), yes, you should always keep it on Obey or it will blow its important buffs on the pull and then on cooldown.

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Originally Posted by FleabittenGrey

I use Obey on both fairies. I have read quite a few people saying to leave Selene on 'sic.' That just seems like a waste to me. She will cast Fey Light/Fey Glow off cooldown, but will often waste it. A good example is during turn 9 during the golem phases/meteor placing. When you are just standing there waiting for meteors to drop, it is a huge waste if Selene is like 'lol buff skill time!' when there is nothing to attack. You want to get used to controlling those abilities manually.

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For what? Selene buff will keep alternating all the time with no downtime. It doesn't matter you are in battle or not. When one of the buff down, half of your party would be unbuffed. You just putting yourself for unneccessary work

I'm relatively new to SCH and healing overall, planning to start using Selene more once I'm comfortable not having Whispering Dawn available to use situationally. One question with Selene and using Sic- she has the capability to pull bosses early right? I think I've seen that happen more than once, or that's who got the blame at least. When running Selene with Sic do you need to switch her back to Obey before crossing the purple line into an instance, and re-Sic after the tank pulls and gets enmity? Is another good option for while I'm learning to be comfortable with the role, to use Selene in between bosses on trash pulls, and swapping back to Eos for boss fights?

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Originally Posted by Dels

Not controlling Eos on Obey to use Whispering Dawn when you need it is like if a WHM told you they just used Medica II once every 60 seconds and never other than that.

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This. Not using her abilities manually when needed is like a tank using all their abilities before they even engage a boss. Yes I've encountered one of them in Dzemael.
The sooner you learn it the better, if you intend to go into Coil as a Scholar.

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Originally Posted by Rosy

But having tried numerous macros around on the web, the one that makes me laugh like a drain and which quickly made an exit from my hotbar is the Physick/Embrace one. You people really use that? seriously? Don't give me the "oh but it gives you a 700 potency heal"....haven't you ever noticed that if you find the need to cast Physick on a target...you can be sure she's casting Embrace at the same time.

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It's useful for precasting against imminent large damage. Also, Eos can be derpy as f***. So, no- you can't be sure she's casting on the same target as you unless you are ordering her to do so.
I do also have Embrace macro'd separately, though. The Physick/Embrace is situational (precasts as mentioned, or for ensuring Eos is spamming on the same target as myself when needed.. rather than having to hit two different macros for that.)

@OP- If you want to play Scholar seriously in end game, learn to control Eos. Not doing so is just going to put your team at a disadvantage.
Yes, there are Scholars out there that claim to not do so and do just fine.... But they're just riding on the shoulders of the second healer in their group.

This thread spiraled out of a simple question into whos playstyle is better, oh gods what have I done D:

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

Anything from Aurum Vale and up requires Eos's cooldowns to be ready for use at a specific time. To do otherwise really doesn't make you an effective healer. IF you really like to deal damage/debuff and give an occasional heal while the pet does what it wants, then maybe SMN is a better option for your ideal playstyle.

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This is not true at all.

I was able to run level 50 dungeons effortlessly with Eos on Sic the whole time.
I even did the primal hard mode with Eos on Sic and was easily able to pull my own weight and heal through it.
(I know I did because we survived Titan HM with the other healer down for a while.)

If you micro-manage Eos at the expense of your own skills, you'd better keep it on Sic until you can do both without time down.

It is not neccesary per se... but I found that micromanaging her makes my life easier.

Mind you, I don't control her all the time. She can use embrace whenever and on whoever she wants. But I do control when she uses her other cooldowns. Especially rouse + whispering dawn gives me a lot of free time to do other stuff (mostly dps). Also... fairies are a lot easier to control with mouse and keyboard than with a controller, but that might just be my opinion.

The only exceptions for manually using embrace are T5 en Leviathan, where I use a macro to have them heal the OT while I do other stuff.

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Originally Posted by Vallug

OK so I love Scholar (loved healing in WoW as well) as I find it alot funner than white mage. Now I am at 45..almost 46 and I have never controlled what Eos does. I just back her up if the party needs heals. If I decide to raid or do EX or coil am I going to have to control her abilities? Cause I like just letting her to her own devices.

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Funner is not a word, just sayin..

Yes, but for most you can get away with her just being macro'd. I macro her embrace on my heals. Some sch's don't like it for higher level content, and you can make that choice later. But for the most part having her heal, when you heal, puts you more on par with a whm when you are under i90. Some things to consider...content gets more hectic and movement based. You will be dodging attacks more, look up videos of Titan or Titan ex (not to learn them, just to see what I'm talking about with the game getting more movement based). It gets harder to micro manage Eos yourself when you are unsure/learning the content, so macro'ing to your abilities can help. Oh the mob is doing massive aoe dmg to the party...let me macro fey covenant or whispering dawn to my succor, the Succor will give everyone a little heal, and a little adlo barrier, but the fey convenant can help if you know the attack is coming beforehand, the whispering dawn helps after the attack has happened to pick up party damage.


A good healer knows when not to heal sometimes over when to heal. A good sch knows which fairy to use, and when to use which fairy ability, knows when eos is good main healing and they can just cleric. Honestly. So put Eos on Obey, some even say steady and obey, but AT LEAST obey, and she will just spam Embrace until you tell her to do something else. Then think about the abilities you have, and what abilities have synergy with Eos' (Selene is more about ...covering up bad dps, I don't use her much...most of the time she's not needed with good parties).

In short...macro eos' abilities to your abilities. Play around with it. Put her on obey too, and play around micro managing her. I do a combination of both. It really separates an ok SCH from a good one. The ai in this game for Eos isn't great :/

some macro's I use

/ac "Succor" <me>
/pac "Fey convenant" <me>

(I always play with a whm, so most of the time my succor isn't to "soak up dmg" its to prevent dmg I know is coming. You'd be surprised how many end game bosses aoes do magic dmg :/) If you do not know the content and your Succor's tend to be during or after the aoe dmg, or even in content where you might be spamming succor (titan, t2 enrage) you might want to consider this

/ac "Succor" <me>
/pac "Whispering Dawn"

If you want to get more advanced, you may consider throwing in Rouse to a macro. When I was a baby sch, I often forgot to use Rouse. I macro'd it to whispering dawn quite often in those days so I wouldn't forget. Now a days I am much better at micromanaging rouse, so if you haven't learned to use it. Get used to it, it can really help in some content.

my macro then would look like this

/ac "Succor" <me> <wait.3> (its more like 2.5 or less this is just an example)
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <me>

I also in the beginning macro'd embrace to Physick and to Aldo, which helps a lot in the beginning content. I still have it macro'd and have found little to no reason to unmacro it even in 2nd coil, but its also up to your play style, and maybe even the other healer. I have a good relationship with my whm, so I fully trust them to do their job and we are very in sync and work with each other. I find many whm's work against sch ; ;.

While mages do love spell speed+, and in some situations its useful (omg that + holy spam in cleric...:3), but...honestly its rare to use skill speed+, its good for a short fight, but in long fights its just using up tp that the dds might not have (especially brds, and the drg I rock with who is awesome), but...if you have lots of brds ( my fc has like a billion) you can work with the brd, they can put up the tp song, bam we're good. But still better in shorter fights than longer. I mean literally did me no good in most fights, eos' main healing with me in cleric did a lot better.

This is just a beginner's 101 kind of thing...try it out...by no means do you have to play like me. But you can look at this and maybe think of something new to do. So I don't want to tell you how to play at all, part of the fun is coming into a job, and learning how to play it, mastering it so to speak. I just am here to give a couple guidelines you may not of thought of. ^^ have fun sch'ing.