I know I'm quoting from a couple pages ago but I thought I'd ask. What exactly needs to be done to properly get fast SP post-1.18? I'm not here to bitch, I prefer to have solid facts before I point the blame finger. So Abriael if you're still here, what exactly is the process to go about now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
SP nerfed. We were lied to.
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07-23-2011, 11:15 AMPyrix
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07-23-2011, 11:20 AMDeadRiserNo that isn't why everyone quit. The battle system was cumbersome and the WAY you gained SP would dumb down the way you fight. There wasn't much skill in the battle system, lots of disconnects... there is a LOT of different reasons people quit. I highly doubt it was because it was so "hard" to rank up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kensei
Plus they need to make people stay longer in this game... what better way than to slow down the speed of ranking up a little? -
07-23-2011, 11:23 AMPyrix
I can think of quite a few better ways. Slowing it down doesn't make them stay longer, it makes them leave.
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07-23-2011, 11:27 AMPlatinumstorm
I'm a pretty critical person of this game, but I don't think this is anything to get fussed up about. The entire game is being redone, this is just one rough step in the process. Things will get better from here. If you need to step away from the game because of lack of progress, then do it. I don't get the mad need to rush to 50 in a game where there is almost no content.
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07-23-2011, 11:27 AMApollyon7
Please 2 things only...
Agree.... leves nerfed too much... im an hardcore player... but i dont like waste my time for 1k sp in total...
Too much mp costs... and im mage class in my soul, know what to do in fight... but too much costs...
BUT more important!!!
Give us the sweet ,godly ,faster ,clear and perfect search system of FFXI.
Was so easy... logged in game, open menu click on seek party... got invites and sent invites... few minutes and the party was ready to go!
Now doesnt work this new useless system.... doesnt work at all.
Please fix those things. i wanna lvl up not die in town shoutin in the wind... -
07-23-2011, 11:29 AMalexi14this 5678920Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollyon7
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07-23-2011, 11:30 AMAtoliSlowing it down to 12 years to get to rank 50, as someone pointed out? Sounds a bit harsh to me..Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadRiser
But at least it's a safe way to get people pissed at you.
I'm not that far yet, but I'm not happy with these changes, either.
Quests may be a great way for ranking up in other games, which have tons of quests, but FFXIV hasn't.
So if it's so easy and even better than before to rank up, tell us some solid facts on how to do it. -
07-23-2011, 11:32 AMTRS13
But it's more challenging now! Yes, grinding for 6+ hours a day, spamming the same abilities over and over again, and resting for minutes between each battle is so fun and challenging and makes you a better player!
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07-23-2011, 11:33 AMApollyon7
mmm 600+ /kill Vs 60 /kill ... necrologos leves now sux bcz ends in 2-3 mins... is this slow down a little?
Leves are became USELESS...
and still no way to have adamn good "seek party" system or /sea all command...
they MUST fix those things...
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07-23-2011, 11:34 AMCairdeas
lol people bitch about hating Surplus XP, then bitch about the balance issues they iron out in its abolishment. Can't ever win.
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07-23-2011, 11:35 AMApollyon7
well thats the so much loved hardcore party way. many ppl love it. so i do too.
anyway other ppl need leves and quest too (i like them too) so why nerf them so much... agree with u too.
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07-23-2011, 11:36 AMAzurymber
nothings ironed out.
Completely support op. SP is nerfed and the game doesn't seem fun anymore. I don't enjoy having to rest every few minutes. And you can't really solo as melee jobs anymore since cure takes too much mp now. -
07-23-2011, 11:37 AMApollyon7lol what u mean sorry?^^Quote:
Originally Posted by alexi14
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07-23-2011, 11:39 AMPyrixI agree on some points. Oh and less elipses please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollyon7
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07-23-2011, 11:41 AMXmbeithat was a calculation for all 18 jobs to 50.... Not just 1 unsure if you caught that... also that is if you as a player did nothing but leve's everyday and that is it... Trust me there is a lot to do, just people can't get out of the rutt they were conditioned to of: " OMG THEZE 6 LEVE"S ARE TEH BOMB MUST HAVE THESE LEVE'S ONRY 4 TEHZ PARTAZ!!! WUT THEY NERFED THEMZ?!?! ZOMGWTFBBQSAUCE!!!!!! I CAN'TZ THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE TO DU'S ANIES MOERZ MUZT COMPRAINZ!" When they could go oh sweet I have all these quests to do these dungeons to try and omfg look at all these new mob's and redistribution!!!! I can get some of my game friends I have made or find new ones in town to go find these mobs and kill them! because there is a greater/endless supply of them every 36 hours instead of 8....Quote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
edit: also want to point out what has already been, leve's are solo content now, and if partying do all the leve's you can not limit yourself to a select few because they had the "best return" -
07-23-2011, 11:42 AMApollyon7thx and yeah sorry for bad writin... 5AM here Z.Z'Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrix
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07-23-2011, 11:45 AMPyrix
Leves aren't even good enough to be solo content unless you want to make gil and even then the gil sucks a lot now.
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07-23-2011, 11:46 AMTonyMontana
I think some people will like the game more now and some will like it less. I did the starter quests for all 3 cities companies and did the R25 dungeon thats been the extent of my play since the patch. I dont like the way auto attack works personally if anything makes me leave this game quick its gonna be the auto attack i think.
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07-23-2011, 11:46 AMFiron
I hate to say this but you can get 22k+ an hr grinding on 300+ sp mobs with at least 3-4 ppl i use to do this pre 1.18 with friends cause we didn't not like to fail leve quest shit much.
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07-23-2011, 11:47 AMApollyon7ok but if arent 45+ no dungeons at all... mobs there 1 shoot u.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
plus if ppl want lvl up, let them lvl up... who doesnt want to lvl up, will choose what to do.
but if nerf leves, dont give us a seek party system that works good like in XI, how i can lvl up to do cool things ..i just can go take a walk and stop. -
07-23-2011, 11:48 AMApollyon7eheh ok but if now u cant find ppl... i know too good areas to go grind in party.... but no party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
anyway, wont make ppl start think im biatchin around... i just want 2 things i mentioned before.
For else i played 8years + at ffxi and i know new things(patches,updates,etc) will be given to us time by time.
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07-23-2011, 11:50 AMIcopico
Wow OP, i was expecting this :( sucks to hear that
Btw, i'm from Europe... I'M STILL DOWNLOADING THE F....ING UPDATE!!!! my internet works just great! but this great downloader keeps freezing... (notice i started the download like 1 minute after it was available...i'm @ 80% and my pc didn't take a break)
My biggest fear was a ridiculous SP reward for leve completion... Here we go! -
07-23-2011, 11:52 AMXmbei
He also stated it is best for those casuals that have less time during the work week to jump on get a few xp and then on the weekend if they want get on with there friends and do activities (non-leves) that have a higher SP return, and more time consuming. They are not meant to be the backbone of anything anymore, now they are as I envisioned them "daily" repeatable quests there to fill in the time when you have nothing else to do or waiting for something more important to start... I was so angered by the fact that I was limited to just Leve's to level up I got bored with it at about r20 I stuck around because I made friends and had fun talking to them, exploring the world and the bits of story we get over time. I enjoy "grind" party's because I get a new group of people to talk to play with and have fun with, it is a great experience everytime. Unless you are one to centrally think of just the XP. Also people must of forgot or never played 11 where is the praise of sweet no longer capped xp of 200xp a kill no matter the level discrepency until chain kills started (also this is pre easy mode XI where you can get 30-90 in a day or 2 now)
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07-23-2011, 11:55 AMFironRenta invite me to your shell i need a shell :) XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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07-23-2011, 11:56 AMXmbei
I also agree with the lack of the seeking party function that is lacking I don't understand how after 8 years of XI they couldnt implement it. I was happy though you can label yourself as seeking party now for recruit feature.
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07-23-2011, 11:59 AMLeknaat
Yoshi-P hasn't QUITE lied.
In the short term, he did concede it would seem like SP had been nerfed. 1.18 is by no means meant to be the miracle patch. It was designed to lay in the foundations for the new system.
It's only step 1 of many. The SP adjustments that would make this game less grindy won't be put in until later patches. So for the foreseeable short term... our sp is going to be crap (unless you're doing crafting leves.... in which case omg love the bonus sp)
We can call him a liar if after patch 1.20 or 1.21 still has horrific grind. -
07-23-2011, 12:04 PMAndreeNo eleven please its about inovation no going backwell u need full party for that so that the deal if in eleven at the begigng was a pain to get party iamgin this that is 8 people the combat system was wel done fixed why do they nerf the progres nobody was complaining about it the problem was teh content and battle system now that u fix the battle system u screw the progres and now u need to go like to the endo of the world that takes 1 hr just to tkae 2k exp it noth worth it or put mounts to move faterQuote:
Originally Posted by Pulseczar
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07-23-2011, 12:06 PMAtoliFew SP? Right. Very few. With pretty much every possible way of ranking up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
I also remember Yoshi saying he wants to rework the behests, to become a conquest battle.
It sounded like a lot of fun, but no one is going to do them if they are not benefical at all, like they are now.
Also, about the weekend part:
Maybe you don't have many ingame friends, because talking to each other seems to be forbidden in this game or something, at least that's how most people act ingame. Getting together with random strangers is even worse, because it's hard to find someone with this kind of party search function, and when you finally got together to play, it's not working out because people won't listen and everyone is just thinking of themselves and doing stupid things and there's no way to take care of their faults by healing more, because of the Magic nerf.
Basically, I was annoyed with leves.
I don't really mind them being nerfed. Heck, if you asked me, I would have been fine with them being removed overall.
But NOT without a proper replacement. And especially not, when all the other methods like behests got nerfed, too!@-@" -
07-23-2011, 12:09 PMFironi agree but no one put's them self up for recruitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
Main issue with exp now isn't that it's not enough mobs. Its that mobs all don't give the same exp for a kill i think all mobs should follow the same formula here's an example of what it i think it should be.
10lvls higher 400sp
9lvls higher 370 sp
8lvls higher 320 sp
7lvls higher 290 sp
6lvls higher 250 sp
5lvls higher 200 sp
4lvls higher 180 sp
3lvls higher 150 sp
2lvls higher 120 sp
1lvl higher 110 sp
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07-23-2011, 12:16 PMTeknoman
Hit an instance dungeon for great SP. Seek party is in game now, but its not really implemented as easy as the XI system.
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07-23-2011, 12:16 PMGeoffreyfrom my perspective as a caster doing leves in the rank 10 camp, they are no longer soloable. I die at least once or twice on each leve and that on solo difficulty. Yeah I am sure it is not so bad for melee but I don't really prefer melee play. And I am sure being new and generally not playing well has a bit to do with it. I am just saying that from the perspective of one that has only been playing for just a few days it no longer seems like soloing is an option outside of simple grinding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reika
As far as SP gains, I didn't even notice it. I was more worried about the durability hits to my gear after each death and realizing that leves are rewarding less gil now.
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07-23-2011, 12:17 PMXmbeiand thats the problem yes it's a convulted system right now, due to the poor coding or whatever the reason is, I think I recall reading a dev post on these forum's about why it is hard to add the /sea all function with the current coding. If people would now as a collective whole learn to and then use it, I think it will be a great system to learn even more people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
Also to the post about the friends, It's due to the new mind set of gamer's in MMO's, to play for ones own l33tness and not as the collective community, sure its been around since forever. I am stating it is highly more promenent now than say 6 years ago when it was needed to rely on the fellow community to do things, now it is all for solo content, which is watering down the use of it being an MMO because people want to play the game as a solo player experience than with other's. -
07-23-2011, 12:26 PMbass9020
i was actually very angry about this yesterday but from what ive seen and have done sp is just spaced all over the place now..
like i did the main story quest for uldah and got 19k sp for finishing it...so you just gotta try different things now -
07-23-2011, 12:30 PMNeptune
Yeah I'm not looking forward to leveling my Thaumaturge much more after reading all of this. It's 27 or 28.
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07-23-2011, 12:45 PMVentusThe vast majority of people know your claims on sp gain is bullshit, it's funny how everyone's personal experience differs from yours. Pretty sure we're not all bad players you're just exaggerating things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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07-23-2011, 12:52 PMAbriaelYou must have a quite selective reading considering quite a few other people back my "claims" lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ventus
Now, if quite a few people say that high SP gains are still there, a *sane* person would think that he's doing it wrong, instead of thinking that they all lie.
But seriously, what am I expecting here... -
07-23-2011, 12:55 PMXmbei
THE CAKE IS A LIE!
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07-23-2011, 12:58 PMMurugan
I also didn't find XP to significantly lower on anything but the old leve "exploits" (which we all expected).
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07-23-2011, 12:59 PMVentusOf course we're all doing wrong despite every person "supporting" your claims have been met with a counterargument by another poster saying, umm nope it's not that way when we did and with links and in 5 rank range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
But who am I kidding I shouldn't try to flame at the ultimate self righteous elitist in this entire thread. Most people I've seen on this thread seem to be annoyed by your snide remarks.
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07-23-2011, 01:00 PMBledYou apparently do not read these threads so ill bold this for you..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ventus
LEVES ARE NO LONGER THE MAIN LEVELING MECHANIC FOR THE GAME STOP PLAYING IN THE PAST AND ADAPT!