1% or less drop rates and how they hurt the game

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Slapping a low drop rate on something and calling it "done" is incredibly lazy game design in this day and age. SE have tried to not do it too often, for the reasons that have been mentioned in this thread. The backlash from Atma more than likely caused them to realise that people are sick and tired of being bent of over a RNG barrel for the sake of extending content/subs. Mirrors and Atma were some real Tanaka-channeling stuff straight out of the dark days of XI.

Totally agree with mirrors/mounts/atma being something you should be able to work towards over time. I might actually have some tangible reason to go back and do EX primals more often, seeing as they got outdated in a single patch cycle (seriously wtf is with that?). It might actually be compelling to work on the Animus bow if I didn't dread going through the RNG again with all of my being.

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^Everything perfectly stated right here on the issue people have with FF14 right now!

To be honest, this isn't fun anymore. Yes, it's optional for me to get my novus but it really is just not fun AT ALL. I thought they said their focal points on this was to ensure that the players would enjoy themselves. Who enjoys farming for alexandrite? I'm not asking for my novus by tomorrow at all and I have no problem with being patient but being BORED is not what I pay my subscription for.

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

To be honest, this isn't fun anymore. Yes, it's optional for me to get my novus but it really is just not fun AT ALL. I thought they said their focal points on this was to ensure that the players would enjoy themselves. Who enjoys farming for alexandrite? I'm not asking for my novus by tomorrow at all and I have no problem with being patient but being BORED is not what I pay my subscription for.

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Who's farming? Because I'm not. I'm just doing a few daily routines.

21/75. Should have it by sometime in July.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I would wholeheartedly disagree with you on this. All I can really say is: Welcome to the world of MMOs, where rare items are usually rare and grinds are aplenty. There is also content meant for the more "casual" crowd and other things for people who are a bit more skilled at playing. That's just the way it is. :P

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More like, WELCOME TO JRPG LOGIC.

to the OP: Get used to it, because you'll be sitting in that seat for a good bit; While you're sitting, I'd like to tell you of a story Circa 2004 FFXI where LV Limit Break items to exceed the level cap dropped at less than 1% drop rate and were in very dangerous areas at the time. You'd be lucky to get a drop that same day.

I would say be grateful, but seems like this may be your first time with something like this. So condolences are extended to you while you learn not everything is handed out to every person and that not everyone's work/effort is counted as equal in the world of an MMOJRPG.

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Originally Posted by Velereux

lol rng is the best way to keep you subscribed for longer
Don't expect to see any changes soon

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rng is the best way to keep you unsubed , players like the carrot on the stick ....because u can see the carrot...

with RNG items...u have a 1% chance of see a carrot and roll against other 7 players for it ! yay

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Originally Posted by RygaenYuui

More like, WELCOME TO JRPG LOGIC.

to the OP: Get used to it, because you'll be sitting in that seat for a good bit; While you're sitting, I'd like to tell you of a story Circa 2004 FFXI where LV Limit Break items to exceed the level cap dropped at less than 1% drop rate and were in very dangerous areas at the time. You'd be lucky to get a drop that same day.

I would say be grateful, but seems like this may be your first time with something like this. So condolences are extended to you while you learn not everything is handed out to every person and that not everyone's work/effort is counted as equal in the world of an MMOJRPG.

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what? those items dropped in around 1-2hrs pf farming typically, and you're done with it forever.

In FFXIV, you probably spend way more than that farming mirrors, and probably don't get it either.

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Who's farming? Because I'm not.

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Because it's boring right? Exactly his point.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Because it's boring right? Exactly his point.

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His post was implying farming was required to complete it.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

His post was implying farming was required to complete it.

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No. It wasn't. If I thought that was the only way I would have stated it. I'm aware of myth and dailies to get them. Don't mistake interpretation for implying. I'd rather not get into a "who can deconstruct a paragraph to skew a point just to argue either" so in case you were going to, please spare me and know that my point is that fate grinding for them is so boring I can't fathom why it is attached to some that that souls be entertainment. We are both on the same page. Neither of us like it and we are both avoiding it. Let's NOT be two people on the internet arguing over nothing.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Mirrors and Atma were some real Tanaka-channeling stuff straight out of the dark days of XI.

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It's actually worse since back before Abyssea, at least when the RNG gods shined on you that gear was relevant for quite a while alongside other sidegrades when you finally got it.

I laugh at ffxiv drop rates.

Go play original phantasy star online and put thousands of hours into it. (addicting game for its time, still good todsy)

Then come back and enjoy things here. Lol

Weapon drops that were 1/50,000

Or worse, some were from rare mobs, so the rare mob had a 1/5000 change to spawn, then it's best drop would be like 1/200,000 and xrazy shit like that. And one who put good time into production knows what I'm talking about lol. Although yes it can be annoying from time to time, it's not bad.

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

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Just because drop rates were worse somewhere else doesn't make the drop rates here any better.

I'm glad no one has to deal with .05% or .02% drop rates.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Just because drop rates were worse somewhere else doesn't make the drop rates here any better.

I'm glad no one has to deal with .05% or .02% drop rates.

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Well, it's a matter of opinion, from both ends, so to me it is better. I'm not put off by drop rates nor do I have a problem with them. If you do, that's fine it's your thing. But to me, it's a lot better, and I'll gladly continue to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

I laugh at ffxiv drop rates.

Go play original phantasy star online and put thousands of hours into it. (addicting game for its time, still good todsy)

Then come back and enjoy things here. Lol

Weapon drops that were 1/50,000

Or worse, some were from rare mobs, so the rare mob had a 1/5000 change to spawn, then it's best drop would be like 1/200,000 and xrazy shit like that. And one who put good time into production knows what I'm talking about lol. Although yes it can be annoying from time to time, it's not bad.

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Oh I remember that, I stopped playing as soon as I hit that wall (saw someone with some badass gear, asked how they got it and they explained the drop chances) and never returned.

Which is probably what a lot of FF14 players are doing as we speak.

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Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4

Which is probably what a lot of FF14 players are doing as we speak.

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It's always especially disheartening to watch people quit over something you yourself want changed. I've seen lots of people quit and it's making me lose faith in the devs choices.

I started a forum thread offering the idea of using EXP accrued post 50 (or post cap) on things like Atma, Mirror, Gear thats on the general discussion. Refined into something like spendable Paragon Levels (from Diablo 3). I think that if we could do any of the game's content and work towards most of the Casual-esque goals then many players would be happier with playing.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P-into-endgame

Just one more QQ'er over rare drop, get over it! It's a MMO and we need rare drop or wtf is the point in playing an MMO in the 1st place!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pachisu89

Just one more QQ'er over rare drop, get over it! It's a MMO and we need rare drop or wtf is the point in playing an MMO in the 1st place!!!!!!

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Because not every MMO has to have the same system/mechanics/ideas behind them and changing how things work for the better is how you set yourself apart from the others.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I would wholeheartedly disagree with you on this. All I can really say is: Welcome to the world of MMOs, where rare items are usually rare and grinds are aplenty. There is also content meant for the more "casual" crowd and other things for people who are a bit more skilled at playing. That's just the way it is. :P

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I wholeheartedly disagree with your disagreement. Each of the weapons and weapon upgrades are supposed to be progression for casuals. Yet they're locking that behind pure rng.

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

Because not every MMO has to have the same system/mechanics/ideas behind them and changing how things work for the better is how you set yourself apart from the others.

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I so look forward to the day when I walk around town and see 10 other summoners wearing the exact same gear I am wearing. So fun!

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

Glamour lol

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You can only glamour what you acquired yes? If there is nothing rare to be acquired, there is no point to glamour in the first place.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrAM

That depends on what you see glamour as. A way to show off achieved gear, or a way to make your character look in a way you like.

While the first may also include the second reason, the second definitely doesn't need the first.

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As much as some would like to deny it, there is a little bit of both. Back in vanilla wow where purples actually meant something, there was some sort of prestige attached to players with epic or legendary gear. For many players, that was the motivation to keep playing, or to get better, or both to achieve the same as that player. I think that anyone that denies that MMOs are devoid of any competitiveness are delusional. From tiered raids to pvp to dps meters (in other games), I think it is painfully obvious that this concept is prevalent in this genre.

Its a simple concept - carrot on a stick, nothing complicated about it. I'll be the first to admit hanging the carrot on an rng stick is not the best way to do things but the fact is that no matter the stance SE takes, its going to upset some people and potentially cause them to leave. I find the balance to be pretty decent, the amount of rng that is thrown at players is much less than some other games out there.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Ah, so you just suffer from special snowflake syndrome and you don't want others to be able to get what you lucked out on. Good job destroying any credibility you have in this conversation.

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Ah I expected someone would say that. Not surprised it would be you, when you can't even comprehend the simple definition of optional.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

I so look forward to the day when I walk around town and see 10 other summoners wearing the exact same gear I am wearing. So fun!

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Glamour lol

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Originally Posted by skaterger

You can only glamour what you acquired yes? If there is nothing rare to be acquired, there is no point to glamour in the first place.

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That depends on what you see glamour as. A way to show off achieved gear, or a way to make your character look in a way you like.

While the first may also include the second reason, the second definitely doesn't need the first.

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Originally Posted by Pachisu89

Just one more QQ'er over rare drop, get over it! It's a MMO and we need rare drop or wtf is the point in playing an MMO in the 1st place!!!!!!

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The point (for me) is community, progression, and fun.

Not grinding away at the same boss over and over again so that I have a 1/100 or 1/1000 chance of getting the next ilvl item and progessing vertically upward.



There is no problem with putting ultra rare vanity items in the game that hardcores want to go after so that they can show them off to the community.

There is a problem with a vertical progression game that keeps releasing the next "tier" of equipment behind increasingly grindy content.


That's not a good way to retain players.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

I so look forward to the day when I walk around town and see 10 other summoners wearing the exact same gear I am wearing. So fun!



You can only glamour what you acquired yes? If there is nothing rare to be acquired, there is no point to glamour in the first place.

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Ah, so you just suffer from special snowflake syndrome and you don't want others to be able to get what you lucked out on. Good job destroying any credibility you have in this conversation.