Consern regarding Brutal Mode

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

I miss the good ol days where gear wasn't gated behind raids.

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When was this? I bet I'm older than you... :P

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Would people still do brayflox if it didn't drop tomes to get i100 gear?

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Sad truth is that people hate FF14, but keep playing because they think they need virtual gear to feel better about themselves.

If a MMO put all gear for free in town, and made dungeons and raids drop nothing, you'd see the exact amount of people playing for fun and not out of mental disorders. It would be a good field to get a doctors degree within.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

When was this? I bet I'm older than you... :P

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What's your point? There where people that were in their late 80's playing WoW when it launched and were part of the guild I was in. Player age is insignificant to the actual age of when MMO's where released.

I'm talking about MMO's that were released in the late 1990's and early 2000's where the notion of "instanced raid" didn't exist that current MMO standards rely heavily for doing end game content.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Why else is it important that it is unique and special? Clearly it is for "special snowflake" people who need to be able to tell others they are better than you.

People who don't need to gloat, don't need special drops. They can take the same ones as the easier modes because they play for fun and not gloating.

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So let me get this straight. I am currently mocking every player that doesn't have High Allagan gear? Hmm. Sounds a bit like harassment. Why aren't I banned? Oh, wait because that's a ludicrous statement.

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Still not sure if you're trolling or what especially with your last post. You can't be serious.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

...Now can SE design it so that it is like peak wow well designed raid? I really doubt it.
The current "balanced "coil 1-9 has some of the fights completely broken(turn7,turn5)...

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The whole point of Brutal Coil is to be the fights as the devs first designed them, with no regard to whether or not it will be beatable. It is completely untuned, thats the whole point. Its not for saying "the people who can beat this are really good," its for saying "oh wow it was actually was possible to beat that fight"

And I'm not sure what you mean about by T7 and T5 are broken. Last I checked they fixed T5 in early December, and haven't seen any maintenance done on T7 so....


And I would love to try these Brutal fights, hopefully they include T1-5 versions not just T6-9. Would love to see the original design for Twintania and for T4.

Yeah people that do down Brutal within the first 3 weeks really deserved their allagan gear.

Brutal mode is solely for bragging rights, titles and the ability to be able to act smug and have something to show for it as they have beaten the hardest version of that instance.
You know when ppl are like
" yea finally got my T9 kill"
Then some guy comes along and says stuff like
"Lol grats but come back when you down T9 brutal mode"

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

What's your point? There where people that were in their late 80's playing WoW when it launched and were part of the guild I was in. Player age is insignificant to the actual age of when MMO's where released.

I'm talking about MMO's that were released in the late 1990's and early 2000's where the notion of "instanced raid" didn't exist that current MMO standards rely heavily for doing end game content.

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That wasn't what I was talking about, but ok. Gee, I'm 80 years old now? :/ I'm not as old as my grandmother. And while my beloved grandmother could play if she wanted to, she doesn't really care to.
ALL, I was saying, if I was saying anything, is when did MMOs not throw gear behind raids? Can you name one game? Here, I'll help you: City of heroes. That one only counts because it had no gear whatsoever.

Which is how I think this game should be. Gear doesn't give you superpowers. Unless you are this guy: http://youtu.be/Ui1T071doeE At best gear in games should give you protection...

But then again, City of Heroes's servers were taken down. We live in a material world. People want: "stuff" And more recently (not long ago like you said) people want that stuff without having to do anything for it.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Yeah people that do down Brutal within the first 3 weeks really deserved their allagan gear.

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Yea ok. Let's just say no one earned their gear... because, reasons. Really how do you earn gear in this game that only has a small chance to drop anyway. I am higher ilvl than my friend that formed a static on their own and downed turn 9. That doesn't make me as good of a player than him. He's the one that is a better player. I just got luckier with drops. So, having gear means nothing anyway. It's no "prize" for being a good player. It's merely a carrot to go do the content.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

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That's funny since toxicity tends to come more from people that do or down coil and look down on those that don't.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkander

Brutal Mode should have no reward other than the title, and it's cool as it is. It is something that is not actually meant to be completed, if they put any kind of reward in it people will start complaining that it's too hard and it will eventually be nerfed, defeating the "brutal" purpose.

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My thoughts, word for word.
There is no need for incentive for this sort of content. It is designed as an extra challenge. The title alone is bragging rights enough- i imagine it will be super rare.

brutal coil is like the zodiac quest but for hardcore players. you don't need to do it, but you want to show off to your fellow gamers. if you don't like the idea of brutal coil, then its pretty simple, don't partake in it.

The title is more than enough. The entire point of Brutal Coil is the challenge itself, not the reward. Be grateful you even get a reward from it, and that it's something that is permanent not temporary like equipment.

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Originally Posted by Kimura410

brutal coil is like the zodiac quest but for hardcore players. you don't need to do it, but you want to show off to your fellow gamers. if you don't like the idea of brutal coil, then its pretty simple, don't partake in it.

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You are assuming players will beat it.
Its an unfinished content even devs could not beat without any balancings, lets call it "unfair mode"...
It is strange how the crowd of eliteists are thinking they even CAN beat it...
Dont you ever think it could be one of those impossible Combats (we knew those from other FF-games) where you can not win but all that counts is how far you come?

Edit: I think after seeing the Damage Output of bluegatherer the devs think: "they MAY can handle it", but that does not mean they are able to beat that content. Have you already forgotten how it was before they fixed the twisters on twintania? When they now say it is zero state then it will be as hard as it was back then... oh, well... if you have tryed it back then...

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

So let me get this straight. I am currently mocking every player that doesn't have High Allagan gear?

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Well, why are you wearing it?

Because it has good stats? No, you are not mocking others.

Because you want to stand out as "The person who is better and has things they don't"? Yes, clearly mocking and insulting others with a poor attitude.

It is easiest to tell gloaters from normal players when SE does one of two things:
1. Vanity crafted gear that looks the same.
2. Same gear gets easier to get.
Gloaters are quick to complain that now they are no longer special snowflakes and all the envy they deserved from poor players is ruined.