Acceptable Cash Shop Items: Suggestions!

Like many others, I say no to cash shop outside of fantasia. If they put more stuff like in game equipment, it shouldn't be anywhere near best in slot stuff (think Odin armor) an only for vanity purposes. That's still a stretch though.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Anyhoozle if SE was smart they would remove character stat differences tho, so people can't be whiny about it.

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Character stat differences as in race? I've never seen anyone complain about it in this game.

Race stat differences make perfect sense and you see it it most games with different races to choose from. Besides the differences are barely noticeable as is (which was SE's intention). A Roe WAR will have more HP than a Lala, but the difference is so small that it's negligible. Galka vs Taru in FFXI, on the other hand, had a very noticeable difference in HP and MP. Some people refused to have a Taru tank or Galka mage.

EDIT and I just used HP as the example because it's easy.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

I hope nothing more than what we have now
Fantasia is already borderline

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Fantasia is already overboard. Because SE is bowing to the masses with this honestly I do not think SE will ever consider anything the public complains and wines for out of the question.

Here's my list of acceptable cash shop items:

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Originally Posted by Felis

because vanity items already come from ingame recipes, achievement rewards, event rewads and dungeon drop. No need to create a cash shop for it

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Yes, and from my understanding more is to come through those means, but where is the argument against adding even more with a cash shop if the company chooses to?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It feels like double dipping when they charge a sub fee then release a bunch of mounts/pets/vanity items on the shop. Activision/Blizzard is notoriously bad for doing this, they save all the best looking most animated mounts and pets for the cash shop even though they have a $15 a month sub fee. They tested the waters with celestial steed people called them sparkle ponies and made 80m dollars in 1 day selling them for $25 a pop. Then it continued with many more mounts and pets every few months.

Honestly I hope SE doesn't start doing this because I really shouldn't have to pay more money to have access to everything in the game.

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It basically is [double dipping], but aside from pocketing that money made it goes to further developing goods and services the company puts out, as well as going to legitimate charitable causes in some cases (ie; some of Blizzard's shop items). It's been shown to be very profitable for those companies.

I'll say it again as well; while I'm not for or against the idea of cash shops when done right, the idea of P2W is unappealing.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

Idk, even Fantasia is really P2W... I see people buying 100's of them to be able to switch race when they switch class.

A mount would be ok at most if you ask me.

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How is that even pay to win? It doesn't affect other players in any kind of way, nor does it give an unfair advantage.

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Originally Posted by File2ish

Character stat differences as in race? I've never seen anyone complain about it in this game.

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Yeah, I meant racial stat differences, and someone IS complaining, just a few posts ago, that fantasia is pay to win because you can make your stats better by changing race. =P Which is a silly thought. =)

No cash shop is acceptable in a sub game. I know we have fantasy and the extra retainers already, and I can grudgingly tolerate that. But anymore is just a sign to not do business with a company any longer.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

Here's my list of acceptable cash shop items:

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...Barbie? :P

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

Yes, and from my understanding more is to come through those means, but where is the argument against adding even more with a cash shop if the company chooses to?

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Because by "adding" stuff with the cash shop, they are taking out stuff that could be obtainable in the game itself.

Honestly, it already iirks me that I have to wait months to get the Goblin Helm legitimately without paying for it in advance.

I'd rather earn content since I'm already paying to play.

The OP is seriously starting to remind me of that person who came along in the Beta Forums once we hit phase 3. That guy who would constantly make all those duplicate F2P threads.

This is p2p game. The answer is NO items is the only acceptable cash shop items.

Everything is required to be included under the sub fee in my opinion. The fantasia pots are already stepping over the line.

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Originally Posted by Khalette

Here's the thing, I don't care if there are glamour cash shop items that are bound to your account. I don't care at all.

However, I don't want their "limited resources" doing silly stuff on the side of the game, when there's much to improve inside the game. Quit wasting time on vanity items and work on the designs of end game gear. When end-game gear is awesome looking, fine -- do event vanity gear. Have time to do more? Great! Do cash-shop 4 star crafted vanity gear.

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fixed it a bit
cash shop vanity gear should come as the very last and really only if there is no another way to bring it ingame

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Any item that is pure vanity and gives you no edge in the game whatsoever is acceptable in any game. Can't see why anyone would think otherwise.

So, pretty outfits that have no stats, mounts with no speed boosts, fantasias, name changes...hats... Stuff.

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pretty outfits that have no stats - should be like the spring dress, crafted ilevel 1 gear
mounts with no speed boosts - vet bonus and achievement reward
hats - also should be cafted
fantasias, name changes - the only things that is ok in your list, but limit the total of amount you can buy it with an account. Like max. 5 times and then not anymore.

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

Yes, and from my understanding more is to come through those means, but where is the argument against adding even more with a cash shop if the company chooses to?

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Each vanity item that get put in a cash shop mean a vaniy item less that can be earned with ingame content.

Now that I thought about it. A cash shop here would be a terrible idea. First it would be just for cosmetic reasons, the next. Putting gear or whatever else which would do nothing but run the game straight into the ground.

Where are people getting the idea that SE is going ahead with this cash shop? It's taken them 8 months to add fantasia, I really don't think a cash shop is coming - unless I've missed something, feel free to link me evidence to suggest they are adding a cash shop.

My opinion is nothing should be available other tham fantasias. I don't have a problem with people wanting to change race but I don't think we should be able to do this willy nilly so this seems like a fair trade off.

Absolutely no to vanity items and barding. If I'm paying monthly I expect to be able to fully kit out my own character without paying extra.

Hilarious, OP wants a cash shop and yet "retainers are p2w"

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

...Barbie? :P

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My game name has always been Barboron so I didn't know what to do when I had a surname D: and people usually catch on to calling me Barbie so I embrace it in all its glory!

Would be cool if we could trade in our Gil for other games from SE, merchandising and stuff.

Don't care as long as they do not EVER release anything that affects battle. Vanity, fantasia, retainers, couldn't care less. Hope se make loads of money off their cash shop, which will in turn possibly fund future updates and hopefully make the chances of going f2p even slimmer <--never gonna happen anyways....

No thanks, we already pay monthly we don't need to pay for anything else.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

This is p2p game. The answer is NO items is the only acceptable cash shop items.

Everything is required to be included under the sub fee in my opinion. The fantasia pots are already stepping over the line.

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I agree, but with things as is, companies are going to want to make more money, no matter how right or wrong that maybe. I just want it, when the eventually do, to not destroy the game.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Don't care as long as they do not EVER release anything that affects battle. Vanity, fantasia, retainers, couldn't care less. Hope se make loads of money off their cash shop, which will in turn possibly fund future updates and hopefully make the chances of going f2p even slimmer <--never gonna happen anyways....

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That is generally my point.

Instead of cash shops or some other pointless form of micro transactions because we all already pay a subscription fee. There should be a way to create a "poll" players can "vote" for content that the dev team will agree that it is reasonable to focus on for a major patch aside from what they have planned.

For example.

Drop related.

Primal vanity Gear.
Primal minions.
Primal barding.
Ramuh's epic beard.
Long Hair.

Votes decide which gets priority.

Content specific

Favour system
Open world dungeons
Primal FATEs

so on and so on.

I find it incredible that OP, who is so vehemently against "P2W retainers" is now talking about implementing a fully fledged cash shop! Personally I think a vanity based cash shop is worse than their P2W issues like retainers. I can still get myself on even footing with people buying extra retainers by playing through the game as intended. Whereas no matter how well I do in the game, no matter how many times I beat every turn in Coil, no matter how much I do of anything, I will never be able to get those cash shop items without paying real life money. And I just don't think that's fair. This is a P2P game, if they want to start adding cash shop stuff then go F2P.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Each vanity item that get put in a cash shop mean a vaniy item less that can be earned with ingame content.

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How so if the same level [as we have been getting] of vanity items are still being released with in-game content?

I would like to see Square Enix sell GIL!!!!

Put an end to RMT tells!

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Originally Posted by Jonny_Tapas

I would like to see Square Enix sell GIL!!!!

Put an end to RMT tells!

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I really hope you are being sarcastic. That is a terrible idea.

I think they should honestly add an alternative to paying for your subscription similar to how Wildstar and Tera Online do/did. This would be an item you could buy on the cash shop and sell on the market place where the item upon use would apply 30 days to your account.

The good thing about this is that it would effectively strike a huge blow to RMT

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

How so if the same level [as we have been getting] of vanity items are still being released with in-game content?

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You really don't get it, don't you? They are not gonna create items especially for the cash shop, they are going to make items that would be available in game "for free" (to buy with gil/get with quests, etc) into the cash shop instead. Minions like bluebird or the opo-opo would be cash-shopped instead.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

You really don't get it, don't you? They are not gonna create items especially for the cash shop, they are going to make items that would be available in game "for free" (to buy with gil/get with quests, etc) into the cash shop instead. Minions like bluebird or the opo-opo would be cash-shopped instead.

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I get it completely, it seems to be "Do you know how they would implement this? Because there are right and wrong ways to do it." v. "OMG! I know they are going to do it like this and completely screw us all over!". I'm simply arguing that if they do decide to implement a cash shop and offer vanity items along side what vanity items they already release and continue to release, what is the issue?

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Don't care as long as they do not EVER release anything that affects battle. Vanity, fantasia, retainers, couldn't care less. Hope se make loads of money off their cash shop, which will in turn possibly fund future updates and hopefully make the chances of going f2p even slimmer <--never gonna happen anyways....

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Isn't this kinda selfish and narrow minded? Aesthetics and glamour might be what they play the game for and they have no interest to tackle end game content whatsoever. Locking them out to certain vanity gear behind a cash shop even though they pay the same subscription fee is kind of unfair don't you think?

When did gaming turn into something that can't thrive past the initial purchase?? The only reason I support Fantasia as an additional payment is to not abuse the privilege of it. There was a time when creating your character was an honest effort and you took your time and cared for your creativity.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

*Glamour Items: I am 50/50 on this one, but its a possibility. Perhaps 1 set a year? Gender nutral too would be preferred.

*Barding: More acceptable than straight up glamour to me. Maybe a cycle with a different set of barding for each zodiac period. When that gets old have versions 2+ show up, with the originals/older versions being on sale for a cheaper price.

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These two I'd get behind and support.

For the Glamour Items, you could have a single item that displays a different appearance depending on if a female or male character equips it. You could do multiple sets in a year that cycle out quarterly but retain one main set that is only available for one year. With Barding, basically the same thing could be done. Maybe a new set with each season while also offering a yearly themed set.

Either way if SE did offer something along these lines, it would be a great idea to have a percentage of each sale go towards a game related charity. It would be even better if there was a list of charities offered and you could choose where your money goes.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

When did gaming turn into something that can't thrive past the initial purchase?? The only reason I support Fantasia as an additional payment is to not abuse the privilege of it. There was a time when creating your character was an honest effort and you took your time and cared for your creativity.

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Exactly.

Cash Shops are a horrible money grab, I hate what has happened to gaming with the advent of f2p and cash shops. It's disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Kerberon

Exactly.

Cash Shops are a horrible money grab, I hate what has happened to gaming with the advent of f2p and cash shops. It's disgusting.

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Yeah, its an unfortunat thing, but with the way markets work in the world if you can constantly be finding ways to make more money for less then a company, or in this case a video game, is considered a failure and in either cases a company will lose stock value. I predict that soon, in like 3-6 years, games will have a big crash like back in the 80s. It almost makes my cry when I think what games were and what they are now becoming.

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Originally Posted by Cigaran

These two I'd get behind and support.

For the Glamour Items, you could have a single item that displays a different appearance depending on if a female or male character equips it. You could do multiple sets in a year that cycle out quarterly but retain one main set that is only available for one year. With Barding, basically the same thing could be done. Maybe a new set with each season while also offering a yearly themed set.

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I don't think I would be behind THAT much glamour items. It would destroy the little value crafting has at the moment. Only 1, maybe MAXIMUM 2, but I would really hate it.

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Originally Posted by Cigaran

Either way if SE did offer something along these lines, it would be a great idea to have a percentage of each sale go towards a game related charity. It would be even better if there was a list of charities offered and you could choose where your money goes.

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Barding, there is a high demand and no crafting class that really steps up yet. This might change in time though.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

Isn't this kinda selfish and narrow minded? Aesthetics and glamour might be what they play the game for and they have no interest to tackle end game content whatsoever. Locking them out to certain vanity gear behind a cash shop even though they pay the same subscription fee is kind of unfair don't you think?

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You know, this thought had actually accrued to me. However I feel our backs are up to the wall on this one, and figured what would hurt the least.
Feels like F*cking triage. :(

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

When did gaming turn into something that can't thrive past the initial purchase?? The only reason I support Fantasia as an additional payment is to not abuse the privilege of it. There was a time when creating your character was an honest effort and you took your time and cared for your creativity.

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Quite literally....The same day that Online gaming became a Thing.

These days, more and more games are becoming persistent, with content being added even after intial purchase, more and more money is needed not only to sustain them, but to keep people coming in, and we have begun demanding developers support titles that are celebrating their 10-12 Birthdays (hell couldn't Everquest, if it was a person, get a driver's license now?), Back in the day, games were buy it, beat it, forget it... you didn't hop on Online Multiplayer, or hope the developer would release some DLC or a new expansion pack, you got what it said on the back of the box and that was it and if you liked the game you hoped for a sequel. Back then box sales could sustain that model, because the sales of Game "X" went to pay for the development of Game "Y". Now, box sales of Game "X" goes to support continued content for Game "X" as well as development for Game "Y", and we as players have demanded this, and they have to defray that cost somewhere.

Eventually you will hit market saturation with both box sales and subscriptions, but the need to actually fund the creation of new content outstrips the intial amount of money box sales brought in, and Subscriptions will eventually only be able to pay to keep the lights on.

Basically. the "Blame" for Cash Shops, and paid DLC lies as equally with the Developers demanding more money out of Players, and Players demanding More Content from them.

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

what is the issue?

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I'll reiterate, since you somehow still don't seem to get it. Entire loot tables and big sections of some professions in this game have either been reduced to, or have been designed around providing items that are only usefull as vanity. Meaning vanity = content. Taking vanity or any other content out of the game (- expansion content) and putting it behind a seperate paywall beyond my subscription is the shittiest of shit moves that they could pull. It's greedy. It shows contempt to the player, and it's milking us for every spare bit of money that they possibly can. That's "the issue".

If they have a cash shop they won't have my sub fee. End of story.

Yaknow did it ever occur to anyone that they could do this without "taking out" anything from the game? Like, maybe hire a separate "make things for the cash shop"-staff that would design things nobody on the "free" team would even have thought of? Nawww man that can't happen right.

Also please show the the section of official gaming law where it states it's illegal for P2P games to have cash shops.

I don't get it.

I am the type of person who LOVES vanity. It's all I'm about. Hate dungeons, hate raiding. Give me cute stuff, love it.
I am also BROKE, so if they sold something in a cash shop I'd never ever buy it because I couldn't.
I'd still be supporting the cash shop all the way, if it would, as I said, not help people progress or be better than others in any way.

I'd miss out on absolutely nothing this way. Oh noes, I won't have the latest whatever fluffy bunny ears accessory. Big flipping deal. >.>
But SE would make money.

PS. All companies are "money grubby." It's what they do. Make money. Duh. ._.