Zoidac Weapon 2.28

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Originally Posted by Saerk

I know. The weights are higher on the physical damage. But secondary stats are important too. And t9 is a long way off for everyone unless you're in OotBG. And that's 8 people out of the 2mil subscribers. Gae Bolg has the best secondary stats out of any of them. And when it gets its upgrade in 2.28 I'd wager to say it will STILL have the best secondary stats and have the same weapon damage as liberator. That's why its better all around.

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For the current ease of getting relics and upgrading them, while it could still happen, I doubt they will get to that level so easily.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

I know, but this sort of laziness is what causes people to unsubscribe - especially when the content is considered frustrating (Which would hold true if the forums are any indication).

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The people that visit the forums, and actually post is a pretty small fraction of those that actually play the game, so if you read that 20 are quitting that doesn't mean much in the big picture. If you think about their subscription models, you get discounts for paying in 3,6 or 12 month increments, and a lot of people do that, guess what gets released in 3 month increments, that's right content patches lots of MMO's have done this because people are usually willing to pay just one more time to see if this content is redeeming, if not I'm gone kind of thing but by the time it comes to drop their sub, another patch if just around the corner. I say if you don't like it, then unsub, loosing money means more to them than negative forum posts, but I seriously doubt a single questline will cause enough loss in subscriptions to make anyone take notice.

Working as intended? Who can tell but the developers?

Working as expected? Seems more accurate to their previous statement regarding how many players would be prepared for the Novus quests come patch time.

And for those of you saying that the Animus/Novus quest weapons are only for the "grinders" and "no lifers", consider it a commitment rather than a requirement. I for one will be incredibly happy I was committed to keeping up with the quests for the (hopefully) wonderful reward at the end of the line.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

btw, people who spend 3 hours a day everyday on the game is not casual. that's 1/3rd of a full time job.

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Or a third of a full time sleep ;)

Perspective.

And yes, if you play with your friends.. by all means stick to it! I prefer the fun factor, overlooking grind in MMOs, bec everyone knows grind - MMO - a Myth ;) ;)

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

2-3 hours every day to not play with my friends, no thanks.

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then get your friends and speed Brayflox hm? it takes what, 10 mins for one run? So 1 hr nets you about 300 myth and you are about on par with my estimation, got it done faster, and got to play with friends.... hell 2 hrs of that is 600 and that is more than what I estimated. 3 runs of CT with your friends is 300.

There is no excuse. There are many ways to get myth in a timely and reasonable fashion.

I'm just saying, for most casual players I know they use the roulette. Here are some numbers:
you can earn: 290-315 myth a day assuming youve unlocked all roulettes and capped solidary. or its 340-365 if you didnt cap solidary and doing expert roulette. +15-46 extra myth a day if you are doing your daily beast tribe quest as well (46 is only if you do 1 low 3 mid and 2 top dailys and ignore going 3 mid and 3 top as 1 top gives 7? solidary). 2-4 hrs max depending on all your teams speed and success.

So after running all of your dailys, if you do 2-4 speed runs of bray then youd be ~500ish a day. So a book in 3 days which is faster than originally stated. 4-5 days if you dont run Bray afterwards or do 3ish dailys a day.

Still can farm the same amount faster in bray. but these are options.

Also, that being said, I dont feel that animus books need a change on price. Atma is the only thing that needs a drop chance increase, and that is only slight increase not a game breaking one.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

btw, people who spend 3 hours a day everyday on the game is not casual. that's 1/3rd of a full time job.

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then what is a 3 hr gamer? hard core? I feel this is average. To me, I believe that 3 hrs a day is a good average for a casual player to work on gear progression and learning/downing content at a reasonable rate.

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

yeah, i'm QQing because i don't see the end of it, not because i want it right now,

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how is that not the exact same thing? O.o

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

yeah, i'm QQing because i don't see the end of it, not because i want it right now,

What would you say if your boss was telling you that you have to work for 6 month before your first paycheck????

Yup that's what i thought

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May I suggest to try to put all of your chances on your side, like using the Zenith Shield instead of the Allagan that you are wearing now? I've had luck with the Japanese theory, others didn't. You do 5 fates in one map, not working? move to another one. (I got all of them soloing (except one) and sometimes with my Choco.)

It's not for everyone. Those who want it, will put time to it, just like your time you got into Coil, for that Allagan gear.

I knew I couldnt make it to the EM primals, getting T4 for now. So for me it was a viable option. And it gave my FC incentive to do it, as they saw for themselves that if I did it, anyone can! :) /cheer

My GF gave up on it, for now ^^

Side note: Happy to see that Montrealers are on other servers, let's spread the love! ^^

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Originally Posted by Saerk

Here's the thing though. It's not that the people complaining about atma's want a free weapon. I have been logging my playtime when I start and stop atma farming. I am currently at 76 hours farming and only have two atmas. Two. Atma of the scorpion, and Atma of the ram. I'm in a second coil static and I consider myself to be part of the "hardcore" crowd. Unupgraded liberator is TRASH compared to Gae Bolg Animus for dragoons. And the upgraded one is only slightly better due to weapon damage. I have the time to put into the grind. And I have been. Most of the people arguing for the RNG gated atmas are people that already have atma. And I guarantee none of you have put near as much time as I have into it only to receive 2 atmas. They should not gate the best weapon for a class behind RNG. They should gate it behind content. They should have had a Gerolts Masterwork questline that involved RNG and made the relics take the item that drops from t8 instead. It would be gated behind HARD content that almost NO ONE has completed yet. Why should any player in my position have to suffer taking ludicrous amounts of time away from our raiding just to get a weapon to make sure dps is up to par? I was fine with the atma grind until about hour 40 with only 2 atmas. If they do not change the atma drop rate (The book part is fine where its at) I will be sorely disappointed. Anyone that tells me that I'm wrong here that has atma and didn't spend at least as much time getting it as I have to only be 1/6th the way there is honestly just being a dick.

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It's all RNG. Coil drops are RNG.

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

Do you people understand that for players like me that can only get the time to grind atma 5 hours a week, i will obtain my atma in like a month. THEN I have to geth 13500 myth. The rate I accumulate them now is something like 700-800 per week. This mean i'm gonna get Animus in like 6 month ++. This mean patch 2.3 and surely patch 2.4. This mean more quests about relic.

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You can get at a minimum 425 Myth per day doing DF roulettes and beastmen dailies. Assuming you can only manage to get that done, that's 4 days to get a book (with tomes left over.) You can easily bang out a book a week if you put a small amount of effort in.

Yea, Animus is an investment in time. Sorry it cannot simply be handed to you for doing a short questline, which sounds like that is what you want. There is Titan and Coil for you then to upgrade your weapon.

Yoshi spelled this out very carefuly before people, he said the options were either weekly lockouts, or an absurdly low drop rate, and people still whined about weekly lockouts.

So guess what Yoshi had the devs do?

I saw this coming miles away, good thing I made enough popcorn.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

2-3 hours every day to not play with my friends, no thanks.

btw, people who spend 3 hours a day everyday on the game is not casual. that's 1/3rd of a full time job.

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You can not do roulette, run Brayflox HM w/ friends and get 300 tomes in 2 hours without even speedrunning or speedrun and do it in 1 hour. Whether X amount of time makes one casual or not casual is irrelevant. If you're casual, you don't need an Animus weapon in a day. Of course, you seem to define casual purely by time spent which might be one way to look at it. I play more than 3 hours a day and still consider myself casual because of all the non-progression content I do (crafting/gathering/treasure hunting, etc. etc.) SE needs to find a balance. A lot of people are complaining so maybe it IS too much. On the other hand, before 2.2 people were complaining there was nothing to do. I'd rather have too much to do than not enough but I guess that's just me...

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

It's all RNG. Coil drops are RNG.

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But at least coil will drop something useful to someone in your group. Well, possibly. Grinding T4 and T2 for tank/caster drops got quite a few pieces for my other jobs. Grinding FATEs bring nothing but sadness and desperation to many grinding ATMA for the 10th hour and beyond.

Your sig is VERY ironic right now.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

Your sig is VERY ironic right now.

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Mine? How so?

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Originally Posted by C-croft

Mine? How so?

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"your tears feed me" while agreeing with an atma QQ thread.

I never agreed with it. But when you talk about coil vs FATE RNG, I felt the need to remind that despite that both have RNG determining drops, there is a difference between a guarantee drop system vs all or nothing.

As 2.25 drops during the week that coil echo was stated to increase. I wouldnt be surprised if 2.28 drops when the next level of echo for coil is scheduled XD. 3 weeks?

What I don't understand is the people who are still doing it slow..are going to still do it slow regardless of when Novus comes out. So the only people getting held back are people who completed Animus. I really don't care what anyone says. I go to class 20 hours a week, clinical 20 hours a week, and study for 10 - 20 hours. Was the grind fun... not really. But completing felt great. You either want to devote the time or you don't. But as usual if enough entitled people complain about how hard it is, how un-fun it is, they will make if more fun, which is also known as easy. The nicest things in mmo's across the board came at the cost of sweat and pain and quite a bit of RNG.

yep I read that bit as "Novus upgrades delayed due to low Anima drop rates."

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Originally Posted by DkFusion

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So fun = easy now?
The grind wasn't fun, even you admit it and now you're saying people are entitled because they're calling out things that aren't fun? Or are you saying you like doing things that aren't fun (but wouldn't that make it fun if you like doing it, wut?)

Are you confusing a timing consuming, mind numbing activity as hard?

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Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno

So fun = easy now?
The grind wasn't fun, even you admit it and now you're saying people are entitled because they're calling out things that aren't fun? Or are you saying you like doing things that aren't fun (but wouldn't that make it fun if you like doing it, wut?)

Are you confusing a timing consuming, mind numbing activity as hard?

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Time consuming and Hard are the same thing. People have constantly as of late been trying to seperate the two. Regardless if it takes 60 hours to down Turn 9 for loot or farm myth for 60 hours for Animus, they both require 60 hards and are more difficult then something that takes 30 minutes minute to complete. The grind is already inherently more easy as it doesn't require to rely on the competency of 7 other players, just your persistence in completing it.

Everyone says they don't want it to be a grind, but they want it to be difficult. Attach it to a primal? So it can be bought...attach it to a coil turn? Coil already as weapons of similar level and ability. The myth grind is fine, the atma grind is fine. I didn't say it was fun but I sure as heck felt a lot of accomplishment when it was done. SE set a bad precedent with the original relic quest line and ease of completion. Without a grind to always create a generic time table people will over gear content (Titan HM) and people will have them for every job, which in my opinion you shouldn't be able to 9/9 in a month.

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Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing. People have constantly as of late been trying to seperate the two. Regardless if it takes 60 hours to down Turn 9 for loot or farm myth for 60 hours for Animus, they both require 60 hards and are more difficult then something that takes 30 minutes minute to complete. The grind is already inherently more easy as it doesn't require to rely on the competency of 7 other players, just your persistence in completing it.

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I don't even know what to say.

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Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing.

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I'll spell this out as plainly as I can. Things that are hard are often time consuming. However, time consuming things are not always hard.

Now, guess which category the atma/animus grind falls into.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

I'll spell this out as plainly as I can. Things that are hard are often time consuming. However, time consuming things are not always hard.

Now, guess which category the atma/animus grind falls into.

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People who cannot dedicate the time, have a hard time doing so. It's hard for many people, just for a different reason.

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Originally Posted by ispano

People who cannot dedicate the time, have a hard time doing so. It's hard for many people, just for a different reason.

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Time management is hard.

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Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing. People have constantly as of late been trying to seperate the two. Regardless if it takes 60 hours to down Turn 9 for loot or farm myth for 60 hours for Animus, they both require 60 hards and are more difficult then something that takes 30 minutes minute to complete. The grind is already inherently more easy as it doesn't require to rely on the competency of 7 other players, just your persistence in completing it.

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Consumption of time does not equate to something being hard or easy.... If I do Bray for 60 hours, it is still the same as doing it during the first hour or the last hour.

My problem with this quest is a lot of work for item 100 that is not even best in slot. I have the weapon i was looking foward to the quest to expand today with this patch. The quest is difficult a true grind and i was looking foward for more so it can at least match 110 weapons with it. I wish i did not have to wait much more to work on it.

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Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno

Time management is hard.

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More like some don't have the time, so it's harder to find the time to do so.

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Originally Posted by DkFusion

Time consuming and Hard are the same thing.

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This is not true at all. Just because something is time consuming doesn't make it difficult.

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Originally Posted by ispano

More like some don't have the time, so it's harder to find the time to do so.

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Ugh....

I can see you don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Saerk

I know. The weights are higher on the physical damage. But secondary stats are important too. And t9 is a long way off for everyone unless you're in OotBG. And that's 8 people out of the 2mil subscribers. Gae Bolg has the best secondary stats out of any of them. And when it gets its upgrade in 2.28 I'd wager to say it will STILL have the best secondary stats and have the same weapon damage as liberator. That's why its better all around.

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Weapon damage is king and everything else is incredibly secondary. ilevel is not always bigger = better, when it comes to crafted gear. Weapons however it certainly is the case, putting stock in secondary stats is important but not that important.

I'm going to continue doing this until I sound like a broken record but people are never going to stop over-inflating their expectations for relic weapon upgrades huh? Pre-2.2 people were like "it's going to be on par with high allagan" and they were let down, before today people were going "it's going to be i110 at 2.25" and were once again let down. But here people are again, saying without any evidence it's going to be a 10 ilevel upgrade in 2.28. It feels like wishful thinking not a thoughtful prediction.

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Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno

Ugh....

I can see you don't get it.

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I get it just fine. Even people who find time management might have a hard time having enough time. Similar but not the same.

SE should just mail us the materials for upgrading to Novus for free if we have been subscribing to the game for at least 3 months. We pay the same monthly fee to access the game, why should others who simply make more effort get a better item than me? = @

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Originally Posted by Zephyranthes

SE should just mail us the materials for upgrading to Novus for free if we have been subscribing to the game for at least 3 months. We pay the same monthly fee to access the game, why should others who simply make more effort get a better item than me? = @

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the funny thing is the people putting more effort are the people who are unlucky and still trying to get atma.

just a point, tomorrow, with the patch, the speedrun of Brayflox is gone. they have said it that they will work a way for avoid this. like they have done it with AK at that time, remember?.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

just a point, tomorrow, with the patch, the speedrun of Brayflox is gone. they have said it that they will work a way for avoid this. like they have done it with AK at that time, remember?.

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Source required.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

just a point, tomorrow, with the patch, the speedrun of Brayflox is gone. they have said it that they will work a way for avoid this. like they have done it with AK at that time, remember?.

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Well, back then in ak speed run, we were actually sacing, now we actually kill most of the mob

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

just a point, tomorrow, with the patch, the speedrun of Brayflox is gone. they have said it that they will work a way for avoid this. like they have done it with AK at that time, remember?.

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Gonna need a source on that.

Of course many of the expected replys, let me help you out-