2.25 in 9 days or less. Animus weapon owners, are you excited?

Would be interesting if Sphere scrolls could be obtained from those "crud" chest in dungeons. Maybe what they can go for is something like you need the following orbs. Which could be found in one of three manners Dungeons, Open world, Leves

Beast orb: Dungeons:Defeating random target in following locations: Copperbell mines, Stone Vigil, Cutter's Cry
Open World:Potential drop from Toadskin map
Leves:Potential reward from any leve completed in North Shroud


Glowing orb:Dungeons: Obtained from random chest in following dungeons: Halatali, Satasha, Haukke Manor
Open World: Chance to obtain from completing fetch quest FATEs
Leves:Potential reward from any Gridania GC leve

Dynamic Orb:Dungeons: Obtained from random boss in following dungeons: Aurum Vale, Darkhold, Brayflox Longstop
Open World: Chance to obtain from completing Beastmen daily quest
Leves: Potential Reward from completing Uld'ah grand company leves

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If this is a concept they have in mind that would be neat, to offer a variety of ways to reach the same destination. With the above in terms of dungeons, it would encourage groups to kill all the mobs in hopes of getting the drop they want, or going through all the chest in hopes it is in one of them. If dungeons get dull then burn through leve charges and try your luck that way, and then of course if that fails give the open world a try.

While I was excited about the next stage, now known as Novus, I'm actually glad they postponed it.
Glad because it allows me to concentrate on other things for some time.

Just finished my Animus weapon last night, and was pretty excited to work on the next phase. This is quite a disappointment to me.

It's fine with me either way.

At my current rate I do 1 maybe 2 books per week, as I am just about done with my 4th book it'll be another 3 to 4 weeks before I see myself carrying an Animus.
I'm not in a hurry, especially since most of the content I still do does not require super duper high end weaponry or gear yet.
I must say that it actually pleases me to read that they are making different tasks for the upgrades instead of constantly having us do the same at each stage.

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Originally Posted by AlrinKharr

Just finished my Animus weapon last night, and was pretty excited to work on the next phase. This is quite a disappointment to me.

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This. I'm 1 book away and wouldn't say I rushed it. just help the FC on dungeons and stuff. But now we need to wait another 4 weeks to even start the next quest. Let's just hope items to upgrade work individually and don't require winning loots against others. Also fu RNG drops...

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Okay, we got cheated

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I lol'd at the sound of that massive 180.

A certain group of players complain that everyone has a relic and it is easy to obtain. They plead so it will be harder.
Square-Enix agrees.
Going from Zenith to Animus takes much more effort that people would rather invest that time on getting a Tidal Wave or Weathered weapon.

2.25 comes around. "Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon."..."We ask that you wait just a little longer".

I did my part, many of us did. I got my Animus, many of us did. So our reward is that we have to wait for others now? That's a slap to the face.

I don't mind that it ended up getting delayed nor do I mind that I have to wait. Yet when the excuse for a delay like this is because others didn't wish to partake on the same equivalent grind and we have to potential wait for them to catch up then that is unfair, unjust, and unreasonable. Since the "Novus" upgrade could have been released and the Atma/Animus grind could have just been balanced by 2.28 instead which would have been much more fair approach to the situation.

Though the overall outcome it is still pretty laughable to me.

Boo!
"Not many people will complete animus before the next part in 2.25!"
"We're postponing it because not many people have completed animus."

Just be honest and say you aren't done with the quest instead of giving silly reasons. I'm sure most people will understand... Only about a month into 2.2.

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Originally Posted by Gwaeron

Boo!
"Not many people will complete animus before the next part in 2.25!"
"We're postponing it because not many people have completed animus."

Just be honest and say you aren't done with the quest instead of giving silly reasons. I'm sure most people will understand... Only about a month into 2.2.

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I understood it as "fewer than expected have progressed far enough" combined with the general complaints about the first stage.
Releasing the Novus stage without implementing feedback on current quests and taking into account that feedback for the next stage would have resulted in negativity that they don't want.

This is just sad about it being postponed. I mean really those reasons are so weak and hardly stand up, I mean didn't they expect not many people to have animus by then? So having that as one of the reasons for delaying is just stupid.

it more like they suppose to release 2.25 patch around May
but the negative feedback from atma quest and other detail in patch force them to make some quick "hotfix" and name it 2.25 instead

the timing of the fix seem legit, 3 - 4 days before they reach 1 month after patch (player who sub exactly when 2.2 hit will have time to see the change)
since the complain from atma is loudest, this one likely to be hit for sure

not sure about gating mechanic they place for leviatan EX and mirror drop rate

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

I did my part, many of us did. I got my Animus, many of us did. So our reward is that we have to wait for others now? That's a slap to the face.

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Same. I'm having a hard time understanding what they want the relic to be... Is this an item all players get? If so, why make it such a grind? If not, why are they punishing the player base that has already put the work in to get it? I get the impression that they aren't too sure which it is either.

Delicious Tears.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

I understood it as "fewer than expected have progressed far enough" combined with the general complaints about the first stage.
Releasing the Novus stage without implementing feedback on current quests and taking into account that feedback for the next stage would have resulted in negativity that they don't want.

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Even so, if the quest is finished, what reason do they have not to add it? They suggested in their list of excuses that they want to implement more ways to get the spheres, indicating that they already have some ways of getting them. Fine, give us the additional sources in 2.28 but why not give us the initial quest and sources, if they are already finished as they are suggesting, in 2.25? It should be up to us if we find it too time-consuming and want to wait another patch or not.

They just don't want to say that they didn't have time to finish the quest.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

That's like saying they should release T10 or the next primal fight now because people already beaten them.

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No, it's like saying they should not have released the Second Coil at all, even if they finished making it, because most people did not kill Twintania yet.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

I did my part, many of us did. I got my Animus, many of us did. So our reward is that we have to wait for others now? That's a slap to the face.

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That's like saying they should release T10 or the next primal fight now because people already beaten them.

The content is not ready, that's why they are no releasing it.

i have a feeling that the grinding spheres so far was gonna end up alot like grinding atmas as far as time-consumption an general boring grind goes, and they didnt want to have to hear all the crying like they have had to hear the past month an a half lol i also though, am wondering why the lame excuse for postponing, when the original announcment of the quest was stated that not many people would have completed it by 2.25 & 2.3 anyways, seems to me that, that was the plan all along for it to take a longtime for most people.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

i have a feeling that the grinding spheres so far was gonna end up alot like grinding atmas as far as time-consumption an general boring grind goes, and they didnt want to have to hear all the crying like they have had to hear the past month an a half lol i also though, am wondering why the lame excuse for postponing, when the original announcment of the quest was stated that not many people would have completed it by 2.25 & 2.3 anyways, seems to me that, that was the plan all along for it to take a longtime for most people.

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Pretty much this, i can understand the other reasons but having a reason for not many having animus is just idk because they knew that not many people would have animus by then so listing that as a reason is just not right. Its like they needed to think of a third reason to add to the list and they came on top. The only way i can see it is as that the next part would incorporate having to some sort of content requiring a party to do and they think the amount of people who have animus wont be enough for that part of the content so they postponed it but that's just me wishful thinking.

Come on, you guys only have to wait like another month or so to do more grinding after potentially doing hundreds of FATEs for the current 3rd, sometimes 4th best weapon for your class. It'll be okay. I'm not laughing at all.

What I've gathered from this page so far: "Now we'll have to wait to not sleep again for 3 days so we can hopefully be the first to post a Novus .gif in here and Reddit! Not fair!"

I don't have all my Atma much less my Animus weapon and I am very surprised by this. They said first that it would take some time and now they sound surprised we don't all have the Animus within a month? O.o (Mind you, I was also very surprised that folks expected the next stage of the weapon quest already. I haven't even SEEN an Animus weapon on my server.) It's this flip flopping that is no good.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

That's like saying they should release T10 or the next primal fight now because people already beaten them.

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Not even close.

The proper set of events would be.

Second Coil of Bahamut is delayed until patch 2.25 because not enough Free Companies have completed Turn-5.
Feedback on the difficulty will be taken into consideration and ways to make Second Coil of Bahamut accessible will be looked into.
We ask that you wait just a little longer until everything is properly balanced.

Instead of what they did.

Second Coil of Bahamut is released in 2.2.
Echo buff released.
Myth and Soldiery gear now help balance out Turn 5 as well having access to better weapons through Animus and Leviathan.

If you're gonna do comparisons at least bother to do them properly.

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Originally Posted by Remus

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they tried it one way and found people don't like being left behind. alot of people were saying if it was added in 2.25 where they don't even have atma they would feel to far behind.

and from their statement the people who feel this way are right most people don't have animus, so they postponed it for good reason. we tried it the hard way (less people with animus because it takes longer and is harder) but as this shows this isn't what the player base wants.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

they tried it one way and found people don't like being left behind. alot of people were saying if it was added in 2.25 where they don't even have atma they would feel to far behind.

and from their statement the people who feel this way are right most people don't have animus, so they postponed it for good reason. we tried it the hard way (less people with animus because it takes longer and is harder) but as this shows this isn't what the player base wants.

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It's true but what can i do time to wait till may and continue getting soldiery tomes XD

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Originally Posted by Remus

It's true but what can i do time to wait till may and continue getting soldiery tomes XD

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we hope its early may! i don't quite have my animus yet but i can't wait to start the next part :)

I feel like there is a lot of complaining on this thread now. People complained for weeks that there was a problem so they decided to work on it. People then complain anyway. They have statistics that show a significant portion of the player base doesn't have this yet so they are planning on tweaking it to improve that. Players complain anyway. They say they need to do more work on the next quest so that the gathered items are available in multiple ways so that we avoid a similar farm to the atma situation. Players complain anyway. Some people think they should be special snowflakes because they worked real hard to get their Animus and are now hurt that it might be easier to get soon. Seriously guys? Every content that gets outdated in this game becomes easier to do. It's the design strategy that overwhelmingly controls this game. You had your weapon for a few weeks when other people didn't. That was your grace period of awesomeness. It has now passed. Get over it. It's not a slap in the face. Everybody saw it coming.

It seems like they are gonna take into account our feelings with atma/animus, and maybe revise the next instalment of the quest in light of said feedback. Either way, I don't care, still on 1st book xD

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I feel like there is a lot of complaining on this thread now.

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That has to do with how it was worded. There's a lot of contradictions and loopholes especially when it points fingers to those that haven't bothered investing the time of day to care about grinding for their atma.


Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon.: Aside from the "and what of it", it doesn't justify the delay in anyway.
We would like to incorporate feedback regarding the difficulty of the Zodiac Weapon quests.: There's been "feedback" since the launch of 2.2 so why is this a thing now?
We are working to increase the number of locations where materials for the next upgrade can be obtained.: Why can't they just release the "fix" in 2.28 instead of delaying it overall?
I apologize for the delay, but those of you looking to obtain the power of "Novus" will be able to do so in patch 2.28, scheduled to release in May.: Wouldn't of had to apologize if "Novus" was released in 2.25 and the fix in 2.28.

That is my issue with how it was approached.

I don't mind delays as long as they are honest and don't give runarounds and blame players in the process.

Oh dear ! ....

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I know some of our players have been looking forward to the continuation of the Zodiac Weapons quests that I mentioned in the recent letter LIVE, but the release of these new quests has been postponed. Our reasoning for this decision is, in brief:

Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon.
We would like to incorporate feedback regarding the difficulty of the Zodiac Weapon quests.
We are working to increase the number of locations where materials for the next upgrade can be obtained.

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It's pretty sad that people have no patience or understanding of how game development works, Dealwithit.gif

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Originally Posted by Esmian

Come on, you guys only have to wait like another month or so to do more grinding after potentially doing hundreds of FATEs for the current 3rd, sometimes 4th best weapon for your class. It'll be okay. I'm not laughing at all.

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It's funny that you find it funny that this 3rd or 4th best weapon has so many people on the fence considering this is for many people one of the few, if not only option of getting a decent endgame weapon.
Aside from the gathering methonds for the materials relic weapons are the only weapons which are accessible to everyone.

The other options require you to clear content that most of the playerbase hasn't.
Leviathan weapon: A lot of people haven't even cleared Titan let alone Ifrit Ex yet, which is one of the requirements to even access the fight.
Allagan: Even with the Echo implemented plenty of people are still struggling to clear even Turn 4. Apart from that once shaped into Animus most weapons will beat Allagan.
Metalworks: Needs a Turn 6 drop, I refer back to my coil comment.

The relic is for a lot of people the only option for getting a good weapon.

I don't understand the people complaining about being "behind." So what if you haven't gotten your animus yet. Releasing the next stage for people who have gotten their animus already in no way whatsoever means you can't finish your animus. If by allowing progress they had to stop your ability to get the weapon, fine I understand, but animus isn't a limited time only offer. You will get it when you get it, but it shouldn't hold others back in the meantime.

I hardly class Ifrit as Extreme sadly he is so easy its pretty much a faceroll D:

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Originally Posted by Remus

I hardly class Ifrit as Extreme sadly he is so easy its pretty much a faceroll D:

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I agree, but you still need to beat him after you beat Titan to get access to Leviathan Ex. ;)

Face it... They had to divert dev resources from the Novus part to make changes to Atma/Animus based on feedback and additional changes to Novus, also based on that feedback.
Saying they should release Novus now and add changes in 2.28 is simply meaningless as it's not ready to be released.

I'm confused

You don't come out and boast "Oh, we don't expect many to have completed their Animus by 2.25, if at all" and then turn around and say on the eve of 2.25, "Not a lot of people have their animus so not releasing next portion."

No changes whatsoever to Atma/Animus in 2.25
You are holding back Novus, in consideration of those who haven't gotten it done, yet make no changes to the current system, hoping that others will catch up.
Have you not read the forums? THEY WON'T DO IT AT ALL UNLESS SOMETHING IS CHANGED! So why hold back the progress of people who HAVE done the Animus for others who aren't even going to do it at all!
I mean it's not going anywhere! I don't understand...

Well.... way to poop on my parade, I was hoping to jump onto 2.25 and dive straight into getting my 'Novus' under way... guess not now :l

Yoshida want to give us time to get a second animus weapon ready.

Elitist prick thread.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

No changes whatsoever to Atma/Animus in 2.25 ... Have you not read the forums? THEY WON'T DO IT AT ALL UNLESS SOMETHING IS CHANGED!

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

We would like to incorporate feedback regarding the difficulty of the Zodiac Weapon quests.

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Maybe the reason you are so confused is that you are not reading the whole post? It is mentioned that they are aware of the feedback and are going to do something with the difficulty with the quests, they don't have to say everything they are changing straight away. They will probably let us know more with the patch notes.

Is simple, the next quest was going to be as bad (rng) as FATE grind, so they delayed it cuz of all the whining from fate.

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Originally Posted by RunaRugar

Maybe the reason you are so confused is that you are not reading the whole post? It is mentioned that they are aware of the feedback and are going to do something with the difficulty with the quests, they don't have to say everything they are changing straight away. They will probably let us know more with the patch notes.

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I'm aware, they're gonna make the changes in 2.28 not 2.25.

The point is, how does that affect me? I don't care if they're gonna make changes to the Atma, that doesn't concern me I'm done! Why do I have to wait for people who don't want to do it until it gets changed!
I don't mean to sound like an asshole but you don't say "Were gonna make time-consuming content so people don't burn through it so fast" and then go "It's too time-consuming. Gonna hold back"
What about the people who did it all? You know for some classes the weapons are sub-par and we were looking forward to the increase in power, now I have to wait til May?

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

I'm aware, they're gonna make the changes in 2.28 not 2.25.

The point is, how does that affect me? I don't care if they're gonna make changes to the Atma, that doesn't concern me I'm done! Why do I have to wait for people who don't want to do it until it gets changed!
Release the content and then make the changes in 2.28

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If you stop and think for a minute you may be able to realize that the Novus quest is not finished yet, due to feedback needing to be implemented.
And 2.28 will be when Novus is introduced. Changes to current are likely coming before 2.28 as the post didn't say the changes are only coming then.