RNG is ruining this game (ATMA QQ post)

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Originally Posted by Keoeson

All defenders keep ignoring the special property of the SE RNG we've seen so far.
The RNG as seen for gathering and crafting shows rather unusual distribution patterns.

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Originally Posted by Keoeson

We don't know how SE rng works precisly, but we see it at work for crafters/gatherers and there it shows highly unusual distribution patterns. Assuming it's the same, it's safe to say it's highly unfair in this situation.

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This activity is neither gathering, nor crafting, and there is no evidence either way whether it uses a similar RNG or not.

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Originally Posted by IIONNICC

Woke up at 5:30 AM, farmed for 8 hours. (Lower La Noscea)

Woke up again at 6:30 PM, farmed for 4 hours. (Central Thanalan)

70 hours total farming and sitting on 10/12 atma.

I'm seriously considering quitting FFXIV.

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Perhaps you should, these are signs of serious MMO addiction, I would know, I had the same problem back in 2007 with FFXI, College 6 hours a day, FFXI 16 hours a day, sleep 2 hours, perhaps seek help?

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Originally Posted by fergalicious

Its a lame and unfair quest in a video game that should be changed for more people to enjoy, get over it.

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If I buy 4 $1 scratch tickets and win nothing, and someone else buys one, and wins $1000, is it unfair because I put in more effort?

No, each ticket (fate) has the same probability of being a winner, the difference is I was unlucky, and the other person was.

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Originally Posted by Keoeson

everyone should have the same chances and it should be skill not an unfair RNG that decides progress.

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Everyone has the same chance, this is not a 0-sum situation, you were not denied the drop because someone else got theirs, everyone has that same % chance to get an atma.

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Originally Posted by Sanris

But the definition you gave, "free from prejudice or favoritism," directly contradicts what you said. "Just because a random number is generated faster for one person than another"... Well, that's just it. That's basically the definition of unfair (in English). One person receives something differently than another person regardless of their input.

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Everyone is playing the same lottery, everyone has the same chance to win. There are people in life who have won the lottery more than once, and there are many more who have never won.

The 'Odds of winning' are the same for every player.


For the record, I am 3/12 and maybe a total of 6 hours of farming since the update. I only farm atma if i happen to be in an atma zone anyway, and i do it while im in DF or a coil farm party (between runs during the constant pee breaks).

Skill - Levi/Coil
Luck/patience - Relic

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Originally Posted by Phe

the problem is they missed completely the point of what gaming actually is.
gaming is supposed to be fun, to entertain.

farming atmas is repetitive, mindless, monotonous work.
a job normal people would only apply for when the amount of salary justifies it.
c'mon SE, pay me 10$/hour and i'll do it.

but the thought that there are people who do this voluntarily?
AND paying subscription fees?

sorry but that is just completely beyond the scope of my imagination.

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Yeah, letting my sub lapse today. I'm not prepared to continue to fund their bad decisions and slaps across the players' faces.

Other than the bullshit droprates on atmas I loathe the fact we level a character to 50, gear it up as well as we can, and then are shoehorned into these level-capped fates that completely invalidate our character's achievements. It's lazy and it's piss poor design.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

Yes, but at the very least at that point I'll have a means of tracking progress, which makes a world of difference in how tolerable the grind is. As it stands, grinding for Atmas makes me feel like I'm just uselessly spinning my wheels.

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You can track progress.... You got 3 Atmas? Progress... Oh look, now you have 7 Atmas... Your on your way buddy!! Progression... I'm starting to believe the people that make these threads aren't even use to real super hard MMO grinds.

People talking about the drops aren't fair.... Life isn't fair... That's like yelling at a bunch of lottery winners because life is F'd up... Why do they get to buy a ticket and win millions?! Fix the drop rate God!!! I want to win too, derpy derp!! People don't understand that the drop rate isn't broken, or messed up... It's meant to tease you, test you, and make you give up and walk away.

The people that don't give up, and don't walk away, and don't spend 3 hours searching threads to see if they changed it, or make a thread that 30 other people already made complaining about the drops, or watch the thread constantly to see what these 89 people have to say about it.. are out there getting their drops while you are on here typing and complaining. I drop by every now and then, but I play the game, and i'm willing to bet, if some people played the game more than they come on here to complain, they might have their drops too.

And I agree with what someone else said in this thread about not being able to duck the RNG. After I got my Animus someone tried to downplay it, like I worked hard for nothing... And I corrected them... I grinded hard for my Animus, no different from the man who fought Leviathan 30 times and didn't see his weapon drop. So your gonna continue to go for the Leviathan weapon which will be replaced by the Ra'muh weapon, while instead of fighting Ra'muh i'll be upgrading my Animus.... Hmmm, doesn't really matter what you spend time on, I just rather spend mines on something I can endlessly upgrade instead of skipping through cutscenes, not enjoying the story you paid for, because you want to rush to fight Leviathan 30 times, and then another 30 times to try to out lot 7 people who need a mirror. Haha.. hahaha

I'm sorry I couldn't add anything really intelligent here, but I'm tired, and sleepy, but I just couldn't resist coming in another I hate Atma's thread... Remember the guy who tried to start an Atma petition? Damn, he rather spend time trying to get digital signatures, than actually trying to get his Atma... He wild.

As much as I hated the atma grind, southern thanalan I'm looking at you here...
I think its great to see so many people in the zones again rather than hanging out in mor dhona
If anything I think it's a shame they missed some zones out that are now suffering because of it
Costa/wine port fates no one there to do them, especially the crab boss fate.
Coerthas is a ghost town leaving all the big fates up constant
Northern thanalan is the same as is mor dhona, they are literally ghost towns fate wise
I hope in the next patch they add a four atma grind just to include them zones so everywhere has a purpose

i agree with the OP, not in terms of what he is complaining about though, more on the crafting side

three consecutive crafts at 98%, and NQ all of them

41% success rate with affixing materia, 1/14 attempts on affixing that one materia

the RNG is complete garbage and SE needs to do something about it, i know its server side and it kinda explains why some people can be "more lucky" than others, but when you're totally screwing over the same people because of a shitty rng, it needs to be fixed

btw, i also dub it the RFG (random f**kyou generator), because its what SE is good at

try harder im 2 atma weapons now as i changed main jobs, if its taking a long time take a little break its really not that bad

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

The only bad thing about atmas is that you can`t trade-sell em, that would be even better.

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Better for who, RMT ?

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Originally Posted by Phe

read a book?

are there actually no other spare-time activies RL or ingame that you consider more fun than low LV Fates for ridiculous amounts of time with no indication of how long that's going to take?

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People play games to have fun, they don't play them to sit around waiting or make up excuses to read books.

RNG sucks balls in this game. So does RNG rolls in same said game. 46 runs of coil 1 for tank body with two seen drops and rolls of 2 and.. 3. Atmas are just as bad.. up to 16 hours now in Outer La Noscea with no drops yet. I have one atma completed so I figured I'd get the one that took 3 hours the last time out of the way.

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Originally Posted by fergalicious

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I think the best counterargument to this whole thing is the obvious. If you know that there are better stuff out there, and you know that this is purely for preparation of the next patch, you should also realize that you have a lot of time to do it before that. Most complaints are coming from people who are spending many hours a day on it. Of course you're gonna get irritated and burn yourself out doing it. You don't have to do things immediately just because it's there. Self control.

On the point of RNG being "unfair" though... what!? I hope that was merely a passing thought referring to state-of-mind rather than an actual statement about the system.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

People play games to have fun, they don't play them to sit around waiting or make up excuses to read books.

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You're playing an MMORPG. An Asian one at that. Long, and typically boring, grind sessions are the name of the game.

RNG is RNG, you win some you lose some. I laugh at people saying how "rng sucks in this game" as if randomization is different in other games. It's all wishful thinking to think otherwise. Ok, it can be slightly different due to computers never being "truly" random, but you'd have to go through such a large pool to see a pattern.

Personally I don't mind it, and heck it's awesome when the RNG gods smile upon you and you get a HQ from a 5% item.

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Originally Posted by Kazamoto

Everyone is playing the same lottery, everyone has the same chance to win. There are people in life who have won the lottery more than once, and there are many more who have never won.

The 'Odds of winning' are the same for every player.

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That's exactly what my point was. Glad someone has some sense around here. If it were based upon differing levels of input, it would no longer be "fair". If the criteria was set to give a higher chance of attaining an Atma by getting a higher Fate rating, that would be a different story as it would give an advantage to some players. Being that it's random, it's the very definition of fair. Unfair would be if it gave an advantage to a player, which it does not do. Everyone has the same set of dice. It's just dependent on the roll.

Currently, I have seven Atmas and am grinding in Upper La Noscea. There is about one fate spawning every 3-5 minutes and maybe five people doing them right now. I'm just perusing the forums in between. I haven't pushed the grind and have only done it when I feel like it, and it's not bothering me one bit.