Are we getting houses?

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

We asked Yoshida whether housing would be implemented and this is what he said:



What ideas would you like to see implemented with housing? I personally would like a handsome Elezen butler… :o

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Please refer him to this thread that I wrote here about suggestions:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-own-houses%21

With that said I'd like a permanent guest bedroom added (Rukkirii you are welcome anytime) and a guest Murgleis for duels with me, the house master. Also ice cream.

I think this is important: one must first decide on whether housing should be instanced or persistant before anything else.

There is an entire avenue of gameplay mechanics which you can take advantage of with persistant housing (player made villages and sieges etc), stuff that cannot be implemented meaningfully if there is only instanced housing.

But with instanced housing, you get alot of benefits too, like no urban sprawl, and it's also much easier to implement.

Also, I think it should be a PRIORITY to have this discussion with the dev tema NOW before the zone-revamp is finished because if persistant housing is chosen, then it ties in with zone-structure and layout.

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Originally Posted by giftforce

Also, I think it should be a PRIORITY to have this discussion with the dev tema NOW before the zone-revamp is finished because if persistant housing is chosen, then it ties in with zone-structure and layout.

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I really, really hope the whole dev team have their note pads out and are taking this down, I'm sure it's an entirely new avenue of potential they haven't even considered, despite their vast experience in the area.

Whilst we do have a lot of wasted space right now, I hope in the future we won't have so much that player housing seems like a good idea out in the world. That said it could be an interesting feature.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

I really, really hope the whole dev team have their note pads out and are taking this down, I'm sure it's an entirely new avenue of potential they haven't even considered, despite their vast experience in the area.

Whilst we do have a lot of wasted space right now, I hope in the future we won't have so much that player housing seems like a good idea out in the world. That said it could be an interesting feature.

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Well, as mentioned, they are not seriously thinking about housing just yet, but are in fact already working on a zone revamp. But it pays to keep in mind both zone reworking and persistant housing if it is to be used. So obviously one cannot be considered without the other.

My main concern is that they are only considering the zone-revamp in light of complaints about copy-paste and this "conductor" approach, when really player-housing should also be factored into the equation if indeed they choose to go that route.

I would like to see a Linkshell be able to have a large house/castle type place to build and furnish themselves, and then also be able to invite non-linkshell players inside.

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

I would like to see a Linkshell be able to have a large house/castle type place to build and furnish themselves, and then also be able to invite non-linkshell players inside.

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Here is my problem: this really doesn't add much unless it is non-instanced.

I think there should be Company housing personal housing wouldn't be necessary with a company house and mog houses in xi were never as popular as after the day they let us go into our friends rooms. I also think that we should have to craft furniture like in xi but furthermore we should have to craft rooms if we want them for additions to the room or buy a service like an in house chocobo rental service or even and air dock o.o or an Aetherial gate/crystal room. It would be fun if these things were things we had to work toward.

Personally I think Persistent housing sounds impractical. Wouldn't there be space constraints? what if I want to grow my house but there's another house next door? Pillage? Seems like it's asking to shift around too many mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Ichi

I think there should be Company housing personal housing wouldn't be necessary with a company house and mog houses in xi were never as popular as after the day they let us go into our friends rooms. I also think that we should have to craft furniture like in xi but furthermore we should have to craft rooms if we want them for additions to the room or buy a service like an in house chocobo rental service or even and air dock o.o or an Aetherial gate/crystal room. It would be fun if these things were things we had to work toward.

Personally I think Persistent housing sounds impractical. Wouldn't there be space constraints? what if I want to grow my house but there's another house next door? Pillage? Seems like it's asking to shift around too many mechanics.

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Some games with persistant housing use a tax or rent system (unless they have siege systems), similar to the way market stands are used in the wards. If you don't renew your rent, your house disappears.

Also, the copy-paste method that SE are so fond of means they can create lots of space as needed (lol).

I loved having a moghouse in XI. Certainly would be nice to have something to show off to my friends eventually in XIV.

Now I don't know much about the developing aspect, but it would be neat (like some have mentioned) to buy land and keep building on it (like... White Knight Chronicles, though that's more detailed). If they do something like this... it definitely needs to take time to build.

Either way, any type of housing would be neat, as long as it supports allowing friends to be invited and decorating it ourselves. Even if it's just a room.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

Here are a few things I posted in regard to housing through the Company system HERE

Company Housing

For Private Companies I would also like Company Housing. This would be our HQ I guess, a communal house where we would have access to various features. As our Company credits grow in our Private Company account we could use the funds to buy upgrades to our housing. So maybe we start off in a run down building and as we grow we can buy either upgrades to the existing building or a whole new bigger and better building. Then we could add extensions to it like the Chocobo Stable's, Airship landing pad and so on. A few things I would like in this house would be the following:

• A main communal room which we can decorate and also mount trophies from our NM's kills and completed missions/accomplishments.
  
• A Communal Storage area where I can drop off mats and items which I may not find useful but a crafter in our Company might.
  
• A Chocobo stables for raising our Chocobo's and looking after them.
  
• An Airship landing pad for our Airship. Our Airship would be fully upgradable so we can kit it out with new features and perks as we grow as a Company.
  
• A dock for our boat. Same as the Airship we can fully upgrade it.
  
• Private quarters that we can decorate and also storage for our gear that we wouldn't put in the communal storage.
  
• A crafter area that you could kit out with support benches.
  
• A garden would also be nice too that we could grow things in. It would be great if you could grow things for Botanists to harvest, and maybe even some types of rock plants for Miners to harvest too. Also a pond for the Fishermen/women within the Company.

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Well since you're asking.......

1. Choice of location. Give us a choice of different interesting and beautiful locations within each city/zone. By the beach, on the cliffs or even on an island in La Noscea! Canyon cliffside or by an oasis in Thanalan! Atop the trees or by a lake in the Black Shroud! The ideas are endless guys.

2. Interior and Exterior decoration. Obviously with a house comes customization. Please allow use to decorate the inside with various furniture, wallpapers and carpets as well as the outside with statues, fountains and exterior house customization.

3. Housing Expansion. Allow us to not only customize but expand our dwelling. Give us long quests and crazy requirements to get bigger and better houses over time. This makes not only getting the house an accomplishment but expanding it as well.

4. Allow other players to visit. What's the point of having a cool place of your own if no one else can see it? Allow us to bring anyone in our party with us to our houses. That would be the most simple way to do it while keeping restrictions in my opinion.

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This is what I would like to see done with player housing.

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Originally Posted by Firon

If they do player housing they should do it Phantasy Star universe the only thing they did right in that game to me. The housing options was overwhelming.

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Well it was decent but not the best. Housing expansion would have been nice as the room you're given is a nice size but I'd love to have had more space.

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Originally Posted by giftforce

Here is my problem: this really doesn't add much unless it is non-instanced.

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Except it does because those within the linkshell can see it, use it and feel a sense of accomplishment especially if they helped the linkshell get it. Being able to invite non-linkshell players would allow others to see it. Having things non-instanced again sounds good on paper but there's the issue of space, inactive players and returning players to say the least. Maybe having a large instanced area with multiple personal/linkshell homes would strike a nice medium.

Rukkirii I just wanted you to know I would be your Roegadyn slave any day :) lol

Call me odd but I don't want company housing unless it provides a space for my own character's house as well.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Call me odd but I don't want company housing unless it provides a space for my own character's house as well.

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I think most of us are asking for both, one for your self and one for your company, LS, group or w/e

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

I think most of us are asking for both, one for your self and one for your company, LS, group or w/e

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yes to both.

I'm all for boats and airships that could be used as LS transport, but i just don't see the point in having a house. I don't know how many of you own your own home but decorating and moving furniture around really does suck. Myabe if they implement an NPC called Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and he does it all for you, then yeh maybe. :S

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

I'm all for boats and airships that could be used as LS transport, but i just don't see the point in having a house. I don't know how many of you own your own home but decorating and moving furniture around really does suck. Myabe if they implement an NPC called Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and he does it all for you, then yeh maybe. :S

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Not when you leave out the physically moving part. :)

No I love decorating my house, by hand. :)

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

We asked Yoshida whether housing would be implemented and this is what he said:



What ideas would you like to see implemented with housing? I personally would like a handsome Elezen butler… :o

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I would like the ability to be able to call a retainer in the house to collect my wages from the market ward or to exchange items.
The ability to collect item sent via other players (If it ever gets implemented)

Adding furnishing and spoils from the battle field to furnish the house.
Been able to lay down on the bed and sit down on the chairs in the house would be nice too.
Also inviting friends over.

And what about gardening?

I'm glad to hear housing is in the planning stages. Let us set up our retainers in them so we can show off our pads while we sell stuff.

I know a lot of people want moogles involved in housing but I'm of the opposite opinion. They already have an important role as the servants of the elementals in the Black Shroud. Let's preserve their lore and role in the Eorzean story.

Cant wait for actual housing so i can put my carpentry grinding to use; whole reason i focused CRP was to make furniture for either my house or LS house.

As for the moggle vs retainer for house organizational purposes, i am all for indentured servitude from a hyur ;).

I would like player housing where we can see our retainers. But break it up into 3-4 rooms. Instead of just 1 (if possible) Pretty much have a large room where we can have players come in and enjoy. And have a room for our retainers (but they move around and appear to talk to each other) And the other room or two rooms would be storage similar to mog hou storage and locker storage. But have the room(s) have boxes/chests. This way we can freely decorate with our sacrificing hoursing storage. I would also like it to be similar to mabinogi where we physically see our houses in a resident area. So we can decorate the outside also.

Our retainers would take place of the mogs since moogles are in gridania and not like how they are in ffxi.

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

I'm all for boats and airships that could be used as LS transport, but i just don't see the point in having a house. I don't know how many of you own your own home but decorating and moving furniture around really does suck. Myabe if they implement an NPC called Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and he does it all for you, then yeh maybe. :S

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if you never played ffxi you wouldn't get it >.>

Also on sunject of having a physical house. I know a few mmo with such stuff

Age of conan has player towns
mabinogi has a player housing zone where you see player houses, they are also used as a shop
Aion was gonna have housing (if they added it or not idk) and you can pick what you want it to look like.

If anyone played "The Sims" you would get it. All you have to do is select the furniture then place it on the grid. It is not all that hard to do.

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

I'm all for boats and airships that could be used as LS transport, but i just don't see the point in having a house. I don't know how many of you own your own home but decorating and moving furniture around really does suck. Myabe if they implement an NPC called Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and he does it all for you, then yeh maybe. :S

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Well in the virtual world moving furniture around isn't nearly as strenuous. >.> The point of owning your own place would be to have a place of your own to hang out that you could customize to your liking. Having such things gives the player more to do, more to collect, more to customize. If you don't like the house or see the point then you don't have to mess with it, those of us that do enjoy such things however would love to see this implemented.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Well since you're asking.......

1. Choice of location. Give us a choice of different interesting and beautiful locations within each city/zone. By the beach, on the cliffs or even on an island in La Noscea! Canyon cliffside or by an oasis in Thanalan! Atop the trees or by a lake in the Black Shroud! The ideas are endless guys.

2. Interior and Exterior decoration. Obviously with a house comes customization. Please allow use to decorate the inside with various furniture, wallpapers and carpets as well as the outside with statues, fountains and exterior house customization.

3. Housing Expansion. Allow us to not only customize but expand our dwelling. Give us long quests and crazy requirements to get bigger and better houses over time. This makes not only getting the house an accomplishment but expanding it as well.

4. Allow other players to visit. What's the point of having a cool place of your own if no one else can see it? Allow us to bring anyone in our party with us to our houses. That would be the most simple way to do it while keeping restrictions in my opinion.

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Nailed it! I want my house to be instanced like mog houses in xi but expandable and fully decorative like in a few small no name games I have played.

Somehow work it into the storyline so that moogles are less rare and have one tend to my house, manage my mail and retainers.

If the housing will be istanced, i would love if every house will have a balcony: if you are in limsa you'll have it with an ocean view (you can also see some ships passing on the horizon and seagulls in the sky), in gridania over the forest (with birds flying around and sunlight that filters throught the tree fronds) and in uldah with a desert view (with the typical warm-effect during the day.. with some random mirages onthe horizons lol). On this balcony you could put some gardening stuff as well.


Btw, here is another interesting topic about it: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hlight=Housing

Balconies would be lovely. :)

As many people before me have mentioned, I would also love to see the ability to buy or quest extra additions to your house. Perhaps themed rooms (like a mount stable or crafting room).
My dream would be an instanced house wherein you may invite friends into. How big or many rooms is an extension of your player status. With playstion Home style furnishings made obtainable by participating in events and quests in game.
Some other furnishing crafted too.

I don't know if its techincally feasible or not, but would be nice if you could purchase new skins for walls/flooring so you can theme a barren room to your specific tastes. Such as placing a tatami mat floor if you're feeling traditional, or dungeon walls if you're in a dark mood.

I just really don't want to be crammed into a studio basement apartment as I was in Bastok back in the day.
After saving the world a few times over the course of the game, my character should at least have earned something resembling a house. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Eugenics

I'm all for boats and airships that could be used as LS transport, but i just don't see the point in having a house. I don't know how many of you own your own home but decorating and moving furniture around really does suck. Myabe if they implement an NPC called Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and he does it all for you, then yeh maybe. :S

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Actually I usually move stuff around in my house once every couple of months for a change of scenery (just finished moving stuff last week actually lol)

I would like to see permanent housing ONLY if they redid the zones (I have a feeling it would be waaay too crowded with housing on some of the terrains out there) Something interesting would be to increase the size of some of those 'Hamlets' and let us put our housing there, if we should choose, but don't limit it to the hamlets if you want to live in the city you could live in the house district (similar area as the Hamlets, maybe a little bigger where you can have permanent housing as well). Give bonuses for living in the wild vs living in the safety and convenience of a town (since you wouldn't have access to city stuff)

Some things for living in the Hamlet could be: Allow us to have a access to a personal Chocobo (since it would have more room to live in the Hamlets, and it's unsanitary to have a giant bird living inside a city!), Wilderness bonus, increase the yield for gathering, the list could go on, depending on where your house is in the world of Eorzea. But you can also be attacked! (Hamlet Defense, assuming they didn't scrap this).

Some things for living in the city: Protection from attack, ease of access (Leves, quests, Market Wards, etc all near you), more stuff could be added so long as there is a balance between the two styles of living.

Also, I would love Balconies and all kinds of accessories and additions, maybe have different style (exterior and interior differences depending on the location of your home)

Anyways, my two additional cents.

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Originally Posted by Kio

Balconies would be lovely. :)

As many people before me have mentioned, I would also love to see the ability to buy or quest extra additions to your house. Perhaps themed rooms (like a mount stable or crafting room).
My dream would be an instanced house wherein you may invite friends into. How big or many rooms is an extension of your player status. With playstion Home style furnishings made obtainable by participating in events and quests in game.
Some other furnishing crafted too.

I don't know if its techincally feasible or not, but would be nice if you could purchase new skins for walls/flooring so you can theme a barren room to your specific tastes. Such as placing a tatami mat floor if you're feeling traditional, or dungeon walls if you're in a dark mood.

I just really don't want to be crammed into a studio basement apartment as I was in Bastok back in the day.
After saving the world a few times over the course of the game, my character should at least have earned something resembling a house. ^^;

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Hahaha, well technology has come a long way. There is a lot you can do with an instance these days. You can even alter the appearence of the Market Wards in FFXIV (by choosing different skins and colours for the market stands), so it's perfectly within the realm of possibility for SE to make it happen with instanced-housing. It all just depends on if they feel like it or not.

Star Wars Galaxies (I never played it) allegedly had one of the most progressive housing systems. You could build housings and buildings anywhere, and anyone could enter houses. The houses were miniature instances, and when you entered a house, you loaded in all the belongings within that house.

This game was released like ten years ago or something, and it closed down just recently. So if SE are smart they should try and buy the source code!

Even if SE bought the source code I'm not sure if they can integrate it into their own <_<;

Still, it's most certainly possible. I'd imagine, like in the thread I made, you could have "sections" of walls and the like in the dats, and then the game would just have to remember where they are positioned, so building a house the way you want, wall by wall, your own floorplans, seems possible. Heck, Dark cloud 2 was like this as well, if a bit more limited to buildings and decorations outside, rather than interior decorating. That game is oooold and on PS2, but I remember how much fun I had, especially making my own city.

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Originally Posted by Psion

Even if SE bought the source code I'm not sure if they can integrate it into their own <_<;

Still, it's most certainly possible. I'd imagine, like in the thread I made, you could have "sections" of walls and the like in the dats, and then the game would just have to remember where they are positioned, so building a house the way you want, wall by wall, your own floorplans, seems possible. Heck, Dark cloud 2 was like this as well, if a bit more limited to buildings and decorations outside, rather than interior decorating. That game is oooold and on PS2, but I remember how much fun I had, especially making my own city.

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Ultima Online was the first MMO, it had the system you are speaking of where you built houses wall by wall. But of course it was not a truly 3D game, so transporting the system to a 3D game would be very difficult. The Sims games have a very large staff team dedicated to getting such things functional, and that's only for a single player game. I think it will be a long time before MMO players will be able to make a house wall-by-wall as per The Sims.

As for MMOs, ArcheAge is similar to Star Wars Galaxies in that it allows you to build prefabricated houses anywhere in the persistent game world. I'm not sure if it lets you decorate the interior as extensively as SWG though. But all in all, i think prefab housing is the most sensible option.

i'd like housing to kinda work like campaign marks, there were ranks, doing more campaign battles got you higher in ranks and if you stoped your rank would start lowering.

for housing something like this, some form of quests that help keep your home, can give it more reward.. maybe space, fansier looks inside, more inventory space, what have you. but it grows with a rank and if u don't keep it up it turns into a battered shack or something.

They should add linkshell housing and in each instanced area you can have your own room and such.. If not give us a housing separately and have the linkshell housing as it's own system.

I do not want just any system, we should have to pay for our linkshell housing.

An example : we need xxxx amount of gil to get the linkshell guild, say 30-100 million (can be less), so everyone in the ls should pitch in.

Linkshell house and it's upgrades should be more expensive than the separate housing.. they were saying no one spent gil, (yoshi P?), this is a way to do it.

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Originally Posted by Etienn

They should add linkshell housing and in each instanced area you can have your own room and such.. If not give us a housing separately and have the linkshell housing as it's own system.

I do not want just any system, we should have to pay for our linkshell housing.

An example : we need xxxx amount of gil to get the linkshell guild, say 30-100 million (can be less), so everyone in the ls should pitch in.

Linkshell house and it's upgrades should be more expensive than the separate housing.. they were saying no one spent gil, (yoshi P?), this is a way to do it.

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Instead of gil it should cost resources. We have lots of crafters and gatherers for a reason.

There should also be guild options, like who has permission to the bank etc, and so fourth.

But then what happens when your Linkshell is broken up? And the leader destroys the shell? you've wasted all that gil in a housing system (its like the real life housing problem now! :P)

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

But then what happens when your Linkshell is broken up? And the leader destroys the shell? you've wasted all that gil in a housing system (its like the real life housing problem now! :P)

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Take legal action?

i want housing but the thing is...i would like to have chairs.....THAT I CAN ACTUALLY SIT IN! was nice having my MH, each character had a different room. one character a bedroom the other a kitchen yet another with a den..and no chairs.....and no sitting. they DO have sitting areas in 14 ofcourse we've all sat on them. but yes for a crafter to actually be able to make the chairs and such and THEN be able to sit on the in your housing area....a small simple pleasure *dreams*

I only mentioned gil, because if you did not know, there are people whom are sitting on hundreds upon millions of gil already!. They can dump it into linkshell and separate housing system.