Change Pharos Sirius Difficulty or Remove it from Duty Roulette please......

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Originally Posted by Versiroth

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so basically because people cant be bothered to actually play their classes like they are supposed to you suggest we just nerf the mechanics so they dont have to deal with it?? i call BS, if people cant learn to play then gtfo. PS is stupid easy, the only part that makes it difficult is dps cant derp their way thru it and healers have to actually pay attention to people health and keep them topped off instead of watching archer re-runs

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Originally Posted by Lumiin

Elistist call people "terribads" not because they can't complete content but because they refuse to learn their class, etc. Elitist care more about gear and experience. You can't play with them unless your gear is top notch, beyond top notch, you've beat the hardest boss out like 50 times, etc etc. The only people that want old hard content to stay hard after patches are morons ._. But all of that is neither here nor there.

Please don't nerf this dungeon ;<

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The fact is, people struggle in this dungeon. As a tank, I can get most parties through it just fine. Mainly because I control a lot of what makes this place hard on healers. But as a healer, I have to rely on others too much and Siren is near impossible when the tank won't interrupt or pick up adds and the DD won't switch to adds until you've been stun locked a good 5 or 6 seconds. If you're a healer and haven't had much issues with this place, then you've lucked into some groups that knew what to do. But, spending an hour in this place as a healer and not getting compensated (or getting called a terribad because you can't heal stupid) because the party can't complete it (even after multiple explanations) is a frustration that I no longer want.

As is, I only do the HL Roulette as my Warrior or Paladin. And this place is the sole reason why.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

so basically because people cant be bothered to actually play their classes like they are supposed to you suggest we just nerf the mechanics so they dont have to deal with it?? i call BS, if people cant learn to play then gtfo. PS is stupid easy, the only part that makes it difficult is dps cant derp their way thru it and healers have to actually pay attention to people health and keep them topped off instead of watching archer re-runs

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You call BS? How is "if people cant learn to play then gtfo" a solution? So, when I have a tank that can't interrupt Lunatic Voice in time, I should just kick him? What about when I have a tank that can't stun Lunatic fast enough and a DPS that won't switch to crawlers fast enough? I can't kick them both. Should I just abandon at that point and waste my time?

Or, have you figured out a way to magic people into doing what they're supposed to do?

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Originally Posted by Versiroth

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Have you tried explaining? I play heals too and since majority of this game has no clue how to play any job they pick I end up explaining a lot. Even after I explain a lot of times it still doesn't go well but dumbing the game down even more is not helping! I've never played a game with this many terrible players and this game is the easiest mmo I've played and I've played damn near all of em.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

healers have to actually pay attention to people health and keep them topped off instead of watching archer re-runs

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Lmfao the sad part is...I'm usually alt tabbed while healing because this game is just too easy ._.

Medica II, Regen ....Oh wait that aoe is coming up better move..... alt tab again.

The dungeon itself isn't hard, but it's "hard" for the average FFXIV player. This is what happens when you create a game where everyone can get geared and reach level 50.

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Originally Posted by Lumiin

Have you tried explaining?

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Originally Posted by Versiroth

But, spending an hour in this place as a healer and not getting compensated (or getting called a terribad because you can't heal stupid) because the party can't complete it (even after multiple explanations) is a frustration that I no longer want.

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I do, but much like yourself, they don't tend to read what I've written, apparently. :)

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Originally Posted by Versiroth

I do, but much like yourself, they don't tend to read what I've written, apparently. :)

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It's called "over looking" because if I didn't read it all, I wouldn't have replied. Buuuttt according to your logic, SE please nerf the forums. :D

I don't think the dungeon is near as hard as it's made out to be. My biggest challenge so far has been getting ppl to not give up and actually stay in the run. I have several wins under my belt but a team of solo artists or afk kiddies can really kill the run. Luckily the few times I do get a group to stay we do quite well and everyone is on focus. This dungeon is like anything else in the game. Just know your job and you will do fine. No need to nerf it but sounds like they gonna do it anyways.

It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a retweaking. I feel if there was enough time to dps adds on siren before worrying about what siren is doing would be fine..the rest is easy.

The dps priority should be made more obvious on adds and theoretically the encounter then becomes easier.

i learned my lesson on copperbell HM and how it ruined my roulettes , havent and wont unlock the sirius map

Nerfing good content makes me a sad panda.

...people think copperbell HM is too difficult?

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...people think copperbell HM is too difficult?

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Yes. I've had more runs of that on the DR fail than I have with Pharos.

The problem with nerfing content that is only difficult with people that don't know what to do is that it encourages mediocrity and not playing your job/class to its fullest extent. Maybe SE could slightly increase the tome reward for Pharos, but I really hope it's not nerfed. Also, don't pick Pharos if you want to faceroll a dungeon.

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Also, don't pick Pharos if you want to faceroll a dungeon.

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You think people are ending up in Pharos because they want to do it?

Sure, you could say "don't do the quest to unlock Pharos if you don't want to possibly get it in the roulette" but you kinda have to do that first in order to really see what the dungeon is like, by which point it's too late.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

You think people are ending up in Pharos because they want to do it?

Sure, you could say "don't do the quest to unlock Pharos if you don't want to possibly get it in the roulette" but you kinda have to do that first in order to really see what the dungeon is like, by which point it's too late.

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Sorry, that was a mistake of mine because sometimes I pick Pharos for fun. "Too late" for what exactly, to realize that it's a dungeon where people actually have to play their class right and not slack-jaw through bosses while actually having to communicate before the fights? Wow, that's really not fun at all, who'd want to do that?

Too late meaning, once you've done the quest you have access for good, meaning you can always potentially get it as a roulette option.

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to realize that it's a dungeon where people actually have to play their class right and not slack-jaw through bosses while actually having to communicate before the fights? Wow, that's really not fun at all, who'd want to do that?

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Unfortunately, that expectation is sometimes too much for DF groups.

This dungeon is not even difficult.

Cant you just undergear yourself and then queue up for duty roulette, then change into your higher level gear afterwards? Or does it not work like that (I dunno I have never queued for high level roulette lol)
I guess that would cancel out chances for a primal fight though if it does work like that.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

You think people are ending up in Pharos because they want to do it?

Sure, you could say "don't do the quest to unlock Pharos if you don't want to possibly get it in the roulette" but you kinda have to do that first in order to really see what the dungeon is like, by which point it's too late.

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Not sure if they were sirius (see what I did there?) but I've had several people in several LSs say that they've got HM dungeons or PS in high level DR even without unlocking them on alts.

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Originally Posted by Zaels

...people think copperbell HM is too difficult?

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This is FFXIV, yo. People are used to FATE leveling, getting carried, solo levelling to 50, etc that when they reach some content that *actually* requires you to put some thoughts into it, they get caught with their pants down.

Yoshi-P wanted the *real* game to start to 50, and this is the result. Basically, this is the destiny of every FFXIV content that requires some challenge.

I do think that Pharos Sirius is a bit of a challenge due to its non-conformity to other dungeons of its kind. I think it's fun and actually somewhat easy to beat, but only so long as my teammates aren't intent on speed-running it.

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Cant you just undergear yourself and then queue up for duty roulette, then change into your higher level gear afterwards? Or does it not work like that (I dunno I have never queued for high level roulette lol)

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Nope. The HMs and Pharos have an ilvl requirement of 48, and so does that particular roulette itself. It will not even let you flag that DR if you try to undergear yourself, regardless of whether you even have those dungeons unlocked.

Raising the ilvl required a bit seems fair.

You guys do realize that this is already set to be nerfed why are you even discussing it silly guys lol

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Yoshi-P wanted the *real* game to start to 50, and this is the result. Basically, this is the destiny of every FFXIV content that requires some challenge.

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I don't understand why we even still have leveling at all in MMOs if they're going to make it so easy up until less-skilled players slam into a wall at max level content. Why don't newly-created characters have all their skills already and start the "real game" at the beginning, and (heaven forfend) have lots more "real" content with a gentler difficulty slope? This game in particular has it a little backwards, since most jobs have skills whose proper use are crucial to their rotation not being learned until level 50 (I'm looking at you, Lustrate, Shadow Flare, Enkindle, Medica II, Flare, Dragon Kick, and... probably every 50 skill really). So not only does the content become more difficult, in most cases your rotation fundamentally changes at 50, which lots of players apparently do not seem to understand.

Add to this that the "leveling game" doesn't really prepare you for things to change so much at 50 since the skill cap for the whole thing is so low and it goes so fast, and you've got a recipe for people constantly begging you to nerf everything because they can't do it, because it requires them to actually formulate and execute a strategy.

This in turn causes players who are skilled and understand how the game works to seek each other out and avoid mixing with the community as much as they possibly can, keeping especially the most skilled tanks and healers out of the DF queue, and even out of Party Finder for the most part, because they are able to clear things easily with their static group and aren't interested in helping people they don't know. I suppose what I'm getting at is that I really wish games would stop trying to appeal to everyone, and would pick a niche and stick to it. This game has two opposing factions, one pushing for harder content and one pushing for easier content, and I really doubt SE can manage to keep them both happy.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

I don't understand why we even still have leveling at all in MMOs if they're going to make it so easy up until less-skilled players slam into a wall at max level content. Why don't newly-created characters have all their skills already and start the "real game" at the beginning, and (heaven forfend) have lots more "real" content with a gentler difficulty slope?....

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It's intended for your to learn your class as you level, which I realize is difficult when people FATE grind to 50. I still think this system is better than just starting classes at max level and getting 20 skills you've never used before. One of the advantages to this system is if you want to tank end game you have to level as a tank class from 1-50. If you want to heal you have to level as a healer from 1-50. You gradually get new skills and for the most part some of the quests attempt to teach you to learn your class by explaining the new skills you get, at least in the early levels.

The game makes a very good effort to teach basic mechanics through guild hests, quests and dialog, but that requires reading. Some people just can't be bothered to learn to play or improve and the game shouldn't be balanced around them. Perhaps the solution would be to make getting to 50 difficult enough that you can't get through earlier content without learning to play your class properly because I still see level 50 tanks that don't know how to save their CDs for predictable spike damage, like Mountain Buster, and healers that don't use Esuna, like on Titan.

FATEs like Go, go Gorgimera and The Eyes Have It are examples where people should be learning to avoid AoEs, heal a tank, follow emotes, and burn adds, yet the majority of the time you'll see DPS eating dirt because they stood in red, healers tanking adds while the DPS burn the boss, and a Bard kiting the boss around because the healers were DPSing instead of healing the tank. As such, these FATEs usually get skipped for tank n spanks like Roc of Ages.

IDK I've almost always had competent groups on Pharos via duty roulette. I actually wish they weren't making it easier cause I love challenging 4-man dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Lumiin

Have you tried explaining?.

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Hard to explain how the dungeon works, When almost every time I get this place someone has left before I even finish skipping the CS. Hence the whole reason I started the thread. I think is bullshit that people leave because they don't want to do the dungeon. I don't know if people leave because they think its difficult, The rewards are crap and aren't worth the time, Or because they don't want to deal with dumb people. I wasn't asking them to Nerf the shit out of it. They could adjust some of the Boss Mechanics, or they could just remove it from the Roulette. Because my queue times as a DPS are still pretty long. I don't think its fair that I have to wait 30mins+ for DR just to get Pharos Sirius and someone leave, Then I have to wait another 30mins+. I've had plenty of runs where people don't leave and things go fine, But lately (When started this) people left and didn't even give it a chance.

I like all the Hard Mode Dungeons and can't wait until the next ones.

This is what I think SE needs to do... They should add a Medium Level Roulette and put the easier dungeons together AK/WP and then High level Roulette can just be all the hard modes.

The only thing that I really really hate about the dungeon is that all the trash are such damage sponges, making the place feel like it takes longer than it actually does. The fights are actually quite fun, and most groups are able to get through it with a bit of explanation.

I like Pharos, for the very same reasons others seem to hate it. On the other hand the high level duty roulette is kinda screwed up because Haukke HM and Pharos Sirius are on a completely different level compared to Wanderer's and Amdapor Keep.

I've seen ilvl 50 bard with ilvl 47 white nq bow in Haukke HM. In WP or AK that wouldn't have been a problem, but resulted in a abandon vote at the first boss.