Disappointments and regrets of FFXIV

I honestly wish i had come back to see that Cegiana. That would have been something I wanted to see, but I was soured to 1.0 after shelling out for a CE and then getting that game and just not having fun.

The most mind numbing content in 1.23 (Hamlet) is decades ahead of anything current 2.1 has to offer (including lolcoil)

EDIT: I also do not understand why they changed BLM, WAR, BRD and PLD so much. MNK and WHM were the only two jobs that needed any fixing.

Before people say "WAR Rampage Steel Cyclone" was broken, in 1.23 a WAR could easily die to 3-4 Lv.45+ enemies. I don't see that happening in 2.1 lol. I can solo any of the beastmen strongholds on any of my jobs. So point about WAR being overpowered is moot.

Idk, for me considering the sub price is only 12 bucks, I can't really complain.

I mean what do you want for 12 bucks a month really?

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Originally Posted by kingatlas

Idk, for me considering the sub price is only 12 bucks, I can't really complain.

I mean what do you want for 12 bucks a month really?

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Well, 2 points here:

1) You're also spending time, not just money.

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2) It depends on what else you can get for $12.

If you don't have anything better to do with your time and/or money then I agree that $12 for FFXIV is a really good deal. I think you'll find though that there's stiff competition in the game business for your $12, which means getting something better than what FFXIV has to offer currently isn't an unrealistic expectation.

What competition?? All the MMO's out now suck.... I've tried them.
Only thing moderately decent is Tera.

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Originally Posted by kingatlas

Idk, for me considering the sub price is only 12 bucks, I can't really complain.

I mean what do you want for 12 bucks a month really?

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Well its a game that you are sharing. While your 144$ doesn't seem like a lot for this game, 1/4 of a billion dollars(how much SE stands to make in revenue from subscriptions alone) a year most certainly is.

There are other types of games than MMOs and there are also new MMOs coming out all the time that would be happy to take SE's customers. ESO for one.

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Originally Posted by kingatlas

What competition?? All the MMO's out now suck.... I've tried them.
Only thing moderately decent is Tera.

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and Tera is F2P too. So yeah, 12$ a month suddenly does seem a bit much.

King that is your opinion. There are still people playing most other MMo's. There are a number of f2p games. There are also a number of MMo's on the horizen one of which is Camelot Unchained which I'm hoping is an evolved form of the original DAoC before they bugged and rebalanced the game into what it is now(Also the lack of advertisments). Different strokes and all. Some people still pop back to EQ on silver or even gold their accounts because it's so damned big with so much to do. Same with FFXI and AO. Neverwinter is a meh game and D&D online isn't a bad game. There are lots of choices out there many of which are free to play or just have more content or more things to see. Even to this day I personally still think AO probably is the best sci-fi MMo because it captured the essence of sci-fi in how it not only did things but explained them. Also Elin lancer = OP unless they fixed the hitboxes because I remember tanking MC HM and the 1-shot attacks would go right over my tiny head. And if Tera didn't suffer from the SK attitude that they need to put out a good game that will grab people then move on to the next project it would have been FAR more successful. They didn't have much content released for it after it was put out. They also didn't have much more in SK. We got msot the updates at the same time and they made the RNG your final enemy with the way it rolled stats and you needed the MW scrolls to try and MW stuff. Which was just dumb.

yeah except, good luck if your gonna try to play F2P Tera, and never spend any money on it haha, trust me been there don't that, 12 bucks is cheap

I actually quit Tera because it went P2W. But as was said there are many alternatives to many different people's tastes. Many people enjoy a sense of community that an MMo can foster. This game doesn't do that. as I believe was brought up with the whole FC's that HAVE to form cliques if they want to do content or even CT because you can't even make an alliance for your own people. Daily roulette is pretty much done by everyone who wants stones or to get exp because of how much of a bonus you get from it. This game right now has stale or underwhelming content. I'm going to probably take some flak for this, but other games have the right of it (just like FFXI did sorta) that leveling jobs should be harder or at least take longer. A larger world slower leveling and other things would have kept the problems many see from being that.

I like the game, I really do. There are things I dislike, things I hope they change and things that I have just come to accept are not going anywhere. At my age (31) this will be the last hurrah of MMO's for me, after spending 8 years in final fantasy 11 I'm hoping this game can give me half the entertainment and giddy feelings that got me hooked on 11. I'd give anything to have some of that old 2004 FFXI rousing content that kept me logging in day after day. I am not going anywhere, I have goals in game and I enjoy it enough to justify spending 9.99 a month, I'll continue to put my trust in Yoshi and hope he will take this game to new heights.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

FFXI was released in NA in 2002, giving it 6 years to reach this stage of content you mention. ARR was released in Aug 2013.

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FFXIV came out in 2010 they had to redo it, yet still broken in 2014. FFXI even in 2003 when the usa launch it had better balance of game there.

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

Well, 2 points here:

1) You're also spending time, not just money.

And

2) It depends on what else you can get for $12.

If you don't have anything better to do with your time and/or money then I agree that $12 for FFXIV is a really good deal. I think you'll find though that there's stiff competition in the game business for your $12, which means getting something better than what FFXIV has to offer currently isn't an unrealistic expectation.

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As a consumer, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. A lot of people are here because of the FF name. It holds a certain appeal to it that most other franchises don't have. A lot of people will value the FF name alone in giving their own views. Is it right of them to do so? Most definitely. Again, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. It doesn't matter if someone "deludes" themselves into liking something others may not. A huge number of people hate FFXI, while many of us loved it for the reasons people hated it.

Bottom line is if you want to play something, play it. If you value something that others don't, value it. Who gives a damn if you're spending time on something that you enjoy. If you're enjoying the experience, it's worth the time and money. Playing these games should never be viewed as a contract or job. They might require commitments of time similar to that of a job, but if it's bringing about something you want to enjoy or experience, it's probably worth it.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

As a consumer, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. A lot of people are here because of the FF name. It holds a certain appeal to it that most other franchises don't have. A lot of people will value the FF name alone in giving their own views. Is it right of them to do so? Most definitely. Again, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. It doesn't matter if someone "deludes" themselves into liking something others may not. A huge number of people hate FFXI, while many of us loved it for the reasons people hated it.

Bottom line is if you want to play something, play it. If you value something that others don't, value it. Who gives a damn if you're spending time on something that you enjoy. If you're enjoying the experience, it's worth the time and money. Playing these games should never be viewed as a contract or job. They might require commitments of time similar to that of a job, but if it's bringing about something you want to enjoy or experience, it's probably worth it.

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I think you misunderstood me because we're not in disagreement. I was comparing spending x amount of time and money on one game vs. x amount of time and money on another game. Enjoyment is what's important and if you're getting that for the time you spend and the money you pay, then it's probably worth it. Provided another game doesn't exist or come along that provides even more enjoyment for the time and money spent. I'm not going to argue whether such a game exists because that's entirely dependent on personal tastes. In fact, right now I am subbing to FFXIV even though I'm barely playing, just because $12 is still a great deal for the amount I do play. My main point I guess is that FFXIV sets a really low bar and if I can sub to a game I'll end up playing and enjoying more, it only makes sense to do so.

What gets me is when some posters (not referring to you but others I've seen who have done so) call the player base "entitled" on this point (expecting max value per $ spent) when it's actually the game companies who are acting "entitled" (expecting players to pay for a product inferior to that of their competitors). And it's also my opinion that slapping the "Final Fantasy" name onto a game is what is allowing them to do this because of what you already mentioned: Players will pay because it is Final Fantasy. Except I'm not sure that means something anymore.

The thing that bothers me most about the game is that it has so many self-defeating features.

Jobs/Classes - A big feature of the game was being able to customize your character by taking abilities from other classes, but jobs are so much better that they obsolete classes. Jobs provide a significant stat boost and some very important role specific abilities. On the other side of the coin, abilities that are able to be used cross-class are generally defensive cooldowns or a few utility abilities. There is no real customization or versatility gained by a class because each class is so tied to core rotation, and the abilities available for cross class are generally quite sub-par.On top of that, jobs limit the skills you can take down to two other classes so with 5 cross class selectable skills you have more than enough to grab the 1 or 2 that are worthwhile than the extras just pad out your hotbar with skills that you will never use.

Take Monk/Pugalist as an example. As a monk I am specailized do dps. I gain the abilities Fists of Fire for a 5% damage boost as well as dragon kick to reduce the enemy's defense and a stat boost. If I forgo all that, I sacrifice a huge portion of my dps but I am unable to build into either a tank or healer role because I will not have the health/defense or aggro generation to offtank anything, nor will I have the mana to heal or do any ranged dps, leaving pugalist obsolete.

Chocobo Companions - Can't queue for a dungeon and they soak up a large portion of the xp you gain, so the only reason to level them would be for bragging rights. The overworld is the only place they are useable, but the overworld is quite safe, so no real point to them.

Dye System - Whats the point of having a dye system if all the gear people use can't be dyed?

Materia System - The only piece of materia I ever had melded was for my relic quest. I forgot materia even existed until I started going over this list.

Housing and furniture - I get that housing was supposed to remove gil from the economy, but the way it was implemented did a lot more harm than good. Houses are insanely expensive, causing players to horde gil as well as putting more materials on the board in an effort to make something, causing prices on everything to crash. Furniture will not have any market around it for the foreseeable future because nobody has houses to put the furniture in, and even the rare furniture pieces are becoming overly abundant.

Titan hm and extreme. Also the smn job and it's summons

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Originally Posted by Chayala

Also Random roulette groups. Can't group up with others and que for those.

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Only for 2.1

Guys, time will tell if FF will succeed or not. Till then, forums is not the be all and end all of the FF gaming community and thus it is a really bad means to judge if a game is liked or not.

Only time will tell. There are always many sides and many preferences. Stated your preference in "Doom and Gloom" does nothing much except spawn threads and arguments like this.

So for all that are unhappy, please state why and seek other meaning forms of entertainment or stay and enjoy the good, those that are happy just state why and please do not feed the threads.

I have played so many MMOs and games across 35 years. In forums it is always the same thing. The game might change. The agreements might change. But the same "Doom and Gloom" warfare between factions stay the same. And after many many MMOs, you know what. All the effort and time spend of fighting here... Barely makes a dent in Real Life and to game development.

Only thing that make big changes are numbers. So guys, please act with your feet and money. Words especially in forums where the vocal minority battle it out, is and has never been a good place for developers to actually make decisions by.

And if you guys think developers will read and learn from threads where forumers do war in. You need to think again.

Lets remove the combative threads and be adults here.

That way, there is a way higher chance that what we discuss and the outcome of said discussions will be taken note of by the developers.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

Nice to see you supporting so many games. I'm willing to bet you pay for them because you play and and enjoy them still, and find the content worth paying for right? You more than likely play at a very slow pace and enjoy the game because you feel there is a wealth of content ahead of you. Checking your lodestone profile you have one DOW class, it's level 11. Your blacksmith is level 20. To put that into perspective I leveled my botanist more in one day than you have combined levels. .

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yes i support all those games because i liked them and want to see those games continue.i dont like alot of things what swtor does and will do (nor the direction of sdgo is going either), but i support those games because i am fan of those series.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

Checking your lodestone profile you have one DOW class, it's level 11. Your blacksmith is level 20. To put that into perspective I leveled my botanist more in one day than you have combined levels. .

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really? did you really did the "imma gonna check your lodestone"? because this isnt my main account.this is my main account
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1515164
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2175723/

and LOL if you check my character name again, i sporting out a new toon. SE ban my first account from the forums because i said dickish things. this account is made so i can post on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

Of course you're going to say this game is great if and will continue to play it because you have little to no time invested in it and enjoy it casually..

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so? yes i enjoy ARR alot. is that a crime ?

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

I bet you'll pick up wildstar and try that out and eve TESO too, which isn't a crime but I feel like you're missing the point that is being made. That being said I don't fault anyone who currently "likes" or is "happy" with the game so far, but they are usually the ones who haven't put a ton of time into it.

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nope, i dont care about eso, wildstar or EQnext or whatever. when i chose a game, i stay with it until the end of that game life spam. dude, you dont know nothing me and vice versa. please dont assumed things based off from each other lodestone.

I disagree with and have counters for almost every point you made.

The only 2 things I can see eye to eye with on you are:

*The community is rubbish and whinny (paraphrasing)

*And the fact that you elude to these points as being your opinion/s.

you cant have these threads guys, SE keeps locking them and saying your off topic....fucken lol

As much as I enjoy FFXIV 2.0, I would really like to see Yoshi team stepping it up with the content for both casual and hardcore players alike.

With 2.1 we know that the team is capable of delivering a big bag of contents in one go (despite CT supposed to have been available since launch). However in all honesty these contents weren't exactly well tested before their release. For example, the PVP system, which despite the recent balance patch, have left me and many friends with a bad taste as well as doubt for the future PVP contents.

I know that the team had their hand tied since release from unprecedented number of logins and overloaded server, but now all of that is more or less smoothed out. Everything will come down to how well the future content patch will live up to the previous patch and so on to keep players like my FC and I motivated to log in and play. Also, I'm not the type to judge a patch based on the dev previews, but I hope Yoshi and the team moved on after 2.2 instead of relying on the new shiny primals as the patch highlight. After 2.2, I believe it's time for a couple new zones, a new base class and a job or two tied to it ontop of the latest CT and coil rollout.

As for my enjoyment of this game, yes, I think my money was worth the fun time meeting new friends and adventuring with them even if it does get a bit dry after the 2nd half of a patch cycle (some of us are beginning to log on less and playing sidegames). Is this a bad thing? Yes and no. I realize that my core group belong to that small demographic that tends to eat up new contents faster than the dev can churn out another platter. I don't blame the dev for that since it's an accepted fact for most MMOs, but at the same time, I am finding it hard to enjoy the side contents like beastman dailies and treasure hunting. They are great ideas to add replayability and log in motivation, but I find them to be a bit lacking in excitement and challenge. How about letting you earn token/seals to enter an instance fight (ala BCNM) from beastman dailies? Or giving treasure hunters the chance to find mini pieces of a big map and combine them for an epic open world raid that'd actually require 8 people?

Anyway those are just my observations and suggestions. I am still happy with the way this game is going despite the downsides, but I believe that Yoshi and the team can't afford to drop the ball for any future patch. It must be just as good if not better than 2.1 and peak out on the first expansion pack. Yes, I will hold out at least for the first expac this year but this time, the expectations of many people including mine will be high.

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Originally Posted by Chayala

1) Grouping

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Easy fix . Allow people to blacklist others , bit harsh tho so maybe allow people to "like" or "dislike" other players so that you are less likely to get paired with those players again .

This will never happen tho because SE know that people will quit game when they cant get groups because they are bad players .

Maybe content is just too hard in this game for some people.

The graphics ..... its like playing FF9, the details on clothes and armour are half assed, unrealistic and flat, this really bugs me ..... people blame it on PS3 limitations, funny how FF12-13 looked amazing and this looks meh !!

With this being FF14 I expected the game and graphical detail to go forward and not backwards.

(There is enough bridges on the details to cross the Atlantic ocean)

They did use the crystal tool engine from ffxiii for 1.0 though

Am I one of the few that plays the game for what it is and if I don't like it I'll unsubscribe?

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Originally Posted by Turbotailz86

Am I one of the few that plays the game for what it is and if I don't like it I'll unsubscribe?

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No. I had always thought that was the normal thing to do but certain sects of the FFXIV community have taught me that I should be stomping my feet and bawling like a spoiled 5 year old instead.

I don't dislike this game I don't see any reason to hate on it but I too will probably quit my sub. I've already started playing rift which has made a bigger impression on me then FF14 arr altho I probably won't play rift as it seems to be a dying game.

Anyhow . I played ff11 for maybe 3 years.. now I understand the company heading away from that direction that's totally understandable but yoshi and co have stripped everything and I mean everything that made 11 charming..

The 2 biggest things I dislike about this game are there are too many teleports.. I don't feel like I'm in any kind of immersive world.. I just teleport everywhere.. it just kills any kind of immersion into the world of eorzea. The zones are small and there isn't anything interesting to explore. The whole game feels like a lobby and mor dhona is an ugly lobby

Classes/ jobs have ZERO customisation. The ff11 main/ sub system had so much more to offer and so do has nearly every mmo I've ever played

There was no real customization in FFXI, either. You could use a bad subjob for your main job, but it was bad and useless and people would make fun of you for doing it.

You can use bad cross-class actions in FFXIV, so I don't really see how anything's changed.

My only appointments are the Housing and RECYCLE. We dont need more Ifrit, Titan, Garuda fights.... no even Ultima. Thats just recycling enemies. The game is just starting and I want NEW and Original content.

12 more days til my sub runs out. i cant wait !!!

This game is not good at all, and is boring.

You guys who like it, are still brand new players. wait til you hit ilv90, then see how fun this game is.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser_Rage

12 more days til my sub runs out. i cant wait !!!

This game is not good at all, and is boring.

You guys who like it, are still brand new players. wait til you hit ilv90, then see how fun this game is.

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That's why I'm pacing myself. I'm not an idiot who spends every waking moment on the game and burn up all of the available content in a few weeks.

I've got lots left to do. I'm sure I won't even finish all of it before 2.2 drops.

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Originally Posted by Royze

You chose who you invited to your parties, and chose who's invite you accepted.

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I know this Probably has already been stated, but you can choose who is invited in your parties and who's invite you accept. I'm sorry if I misread or interpreted your post wrong, but it seemed as if you only considered duty finder over actually putting an effort to form a party.

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

That's why I'm pacing myself. I'm not an idiot who spends every waking moment on the game and burn up all of the available content in a few weeks.

I've got lots left to do. I'm sure I won't even finish all of it before 2.2 drops.

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i do coil, and farm myth points. i had no choice but to hit ilv90. I been on this game for 4 months. I also took a 5 week trip to Europe. Go heck my other posts, when i applied for a FC.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser_Rage

12 more days til my sub runs out. i cant wait !!!

This game is not good at all, and is boring.

You guys who like it, are still brand new players. wait til you hit ilv90, then see how fun this game is.

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I don't see it any different than any other mmo games I've played a.k.a grindfest. Once you're bored with something you take a break from it or leave it for good. Pretty much what happen when I used to play on consoles. Heck even my Wii-u I won is not even out of it's box yet and it came in mail since of 12/16/2013.

Just give us back the huge maps of 1.23 Square Enix D:

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

My only appointments are the Housing and RECYCLE. We dont need more Ifrit, Titan, Garuda fights.... no even Ultima. Thats just recycling enemies. The game is just starting and I want NEW and Original content.

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Like Leviathan?

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Originally Posted by Kaiser_Rage

12 more days til my sub runs out. i cant wait !!!

This game is not good at all, and is boring.

You guys who like it, are still brand new players. wait til you hit ilv90, then see how fun this game is.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

That's... wow. Yeah, I think I've seen some of those.

I guess it's just tiring to see so much negativity here. Some posters have legitimate complains and I understand them not being happy or outright disliking the game. What I don't get is the whole "I let my sub ran out but I still have 2 weeks left SO I'M GOING TO COME HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND LET YOU ALL KNOW HOW MUCH I HATE THIS GAME". It just seems so unnecessary, like, what do you expect to achieve with that?

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See? ilvl 86 here btw.

Also been on the game for 4 months.

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

That's why I'm pacing myself. I'm not an idiot who spends every waking moment on the game and burn up all of the available content in a few weeks.

I've got lots left to do. I'm sure I won't even finish all of it before 2.2 drops.

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Spend 1 hour on monday in coil and 2 hours doing WP -> full 90s in less than a month/10-15'ish hours game time

Do you play 15minute a week or something? Are you the leader of the casuals? the casualest?