Why is Myth gear as good as Allagan gear, or even better?

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Originally Posted by Raithen

Do people like you even think? At all? The idea here is that while doing your gear-less Coil runs you would be earning the highest level token, in this case Allagan Tomestones of Mythology. Incorporating the lockout into the mix would just involve making all 5 Turns of the Coil add up to the maximum number of Mythology allowed per week. Your gear-free runs would then add up to the Mythology gear you currently wear on your continued attempts.

This isn't freaking theoretical astrophysics, people.

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How is this any different? Coils 1-3 (3 being a lol) is NOT hard. So why do you care if we get tokens from there or farming WP?

Do you even think? At all?

Thus the point people are making that item level 90 gear tokens should come from level 90 content. Way to miss the entire point of the thread.

I for one applaud square for annihilating epeen wagging to the extent that they have. Mostly because I like to watch people who are prone to getting mad at video games get mad at video games.

Do your stuff the way you want and let the others do theirs the way they want, its easy as that, complaining about that is useless.

IMHO if you had Coil loot lockouts like in CT, you'd have a point.

At this current time though, it's mind-numbingly slow and boring to grind out all the mythstones necessary to fully deck yourself out in a Zenith relic and full myth gear. And people who get lucky with getting a good Coil static and regular stream of Coil loot are already ridiculously overgeared while the less fortunate are endangered of getting fed up with the slow and tedious grind, no matter which way you go about it.

In a nutshell: if you can get into a static that farms Coil regularly it's easier AND faster to deck yourself out with Coil gear than it is to grind out the myth gear. Even now with the devs having raised the myth stone cap.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

i can taste the tears already.

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I can too, and yours are absolutely delicious.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

i can taste the tears already.

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your so called elitist-hardcore-Epeen tears taste pretty good :D

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Originally Posted by Velthice

I for one applaud square for annihilating epeen wagging to the extent that they have. Mostly because I like to watch people who are prone to getting mad at video games get mad at video games.

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Nothing has changed really. You have more players that try to wag it now because gear is so easy to get that everyone that has a relic or myth think they are good.

I'm not sure what the problem is. I know many players who cap myth every week, get the gear when they can, and also run coil and get that gear. Nobody I know seems to think anything of it.

the first 3 weeks i did coil i got an item a week, the next 11 weeks of coil i havent gotten a thing. thank god for myth items or i would still only have 3 allagan items. i would much rather get my loot from raiding something hard but at least its given me some way to get gear when drops are dry

the point is simple .. its all about difficulty .. the hardest difficulty should reward the best rewards. If you cant understand that then you simply lack common sense.

Doing solo daily quests or any number of dungeons that can be completed in level 49 gear to obtain level 90 gear which in alot of instances is the best in slot just simply makes no sense in an MMORPG

RPG's SINCE THE START with paper and dice meant getting ur character stronger to defeat stronger mobs to MAKE YOUR CHARACTER STRONGER
In a MMORPG you should have to try and achieve something gaining top level gear by doing things your character could do at ilvl 49 isnt achieving its holding out your hand and having the game place top gear in your hand for free because you dont want to have to work for it plain and simple

Anyone that says well i shouldnt HAVE to raid just so i can get best gear i should be able to play the game any way i want and get the same stuff anyone else gets ...... no that doesnt make any sense get the silver spoon out of your mouth.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

Because we're playing Casual Fantasy XIV.

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Says the guy who is obviously complaining about housing prices in his sig :P Talk about casual .... lol

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Originally Posted by rowdey1

the point is simple .. its all about difficulty .. the hardest difficulty should reward the best rewards. If you cant understand that then you simply lack common sense.

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Applying this logic, these tokens/myth tomes/whatevers, would only drop from T5? T1-4 are a joke, even compared to primals.

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Originally Posted by Atrious

Says the guy who is obviously complaining about housing prices in his sig :P Talk about casual .... lol

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Housing is hardcore know wow what (i)lvl gear needed to complete that content oh wait >.>/$/

TIL you can clear AK/WP at level 25...

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Originally Posted by Sinth

You sure that is irony? You sure you know the definition of the word? Did you mean that SE's housing prices were ironic in light of SE's stated mission to provide a casual gaming experience in FFXIV? Because being astonished that SE delivers 'hardcore' housing prices in an otherwise casual built game is indeed the exact opposite of irony. Seems ironic to me that people use the term 'ironic' incorrectly while trying to express some kind of perceived intellectual superiority over others...

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No, the poster was right and probably just being playful.

No need to get so defensive.

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1. Most difficult/highest level content should drop highest level items. I.E. getting best loot from low level dungeons doesn't make sense.
2. There isn't enough content and/or because of loot/dungeon lockouts we need myth tokens to fill the gaps due to bad rng in coil.
3. Everyone who participates in the game/pays a sub should have access to the best gear in game.

Am I missing anyone?

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Originally Posted by Marzapan

Camps:

1. Most difficult/highest level content should drop highest level items. I.E. getting best loot from low level dungeons doesn't make sense.
2. There isn't enough content and/or because of loot/dungeon lockouts we need myth tokens to fill the gaps due to bad rng in coil.
3. Everyone who participates in the game/pays a sub should have access to the best gear in game.

Am I missing anyone?

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You can toss me in the camp where, prior to 2.1, there was content considered between final dungeons (AK/WP) and Coil. I guess maybe the primals? But I personally found them quite easy (save titan, but even then).

I'm really confused as to where everyone is saying aK/WP are considered low level dungeons

For those interested:
Low Level Content to me: FATE/Levehest (and ifrit)
Mid Level Content: Dungeons/HM Primals (except ifrit. Cuz. Lol ifrit)
High Level Content: Coil

That's all there was. Now with 2.1 out, I'd still keep it the same except I'd put EM primals at high level content (though I bet it'll move down to mid level really), and throw CT as HLC.

All allagan items should be ilevel95. They should be better than mythology but mythology should remain as an alternative for those that can't do Coil (no static group) or have terrible luck with the rng drops.

Every time I read these forums, imo I just see how far the mmo genre in general have truely fallen over the years kinda sad really their slowly turing into basic console game.

I think what is meant by ak/wp being low level dungeons is the ilvl of the items they drop, and the reccomended ilvl to enter them.
When I first did ak/wp they had a bit of difficulty to them, now that i have i80, they are not dfficult at all.

That may be the case, but what I'm hearing is that people are whining that the best (although in some slots it is 2nd best) gear comes from a dungeon that is arguably the 2nd hardest content the game has.

now before that gets twisted...

I'm not jumping on the difficulty. I accept the dungeons become laughably easy, as well as most content becomes so with repetition (here's to you, titan). But to say it shouldn't drop from something at (half the ilvl, i'm assuming, and not half level) is absurd when it is the 2nd highest content in the game barring a one-and-done situation (A la primals).

more so, it's not just a matter of running the dungeon once and getting the gear. It's not even a matter of running the dungeons as many times as you can in a relatively quick frame of time and getting it all. It's spaced out to supplement gearing via other means.

In short - Myth coming from where it does not only makes sense, but is the appropriate place to obtain it. The fact that (some of) it can be BiS is a bi-product of the min/max community going gung-ho (which is good, kudos to them).

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Originally Posted by odintius

Housing is hardcore know wow what (i)lvl gear needed to complete that content oh wait >.>/$/

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Are you by chance typing on a cell phone? LoL I have no idea what you just said....

@ KHS

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.

There is too big a gap bewtween ak/wp and coil, in both ilvl and actual 'dificulty', for them to both drop bis itmes, imho.
I THINK I understand your position though, considering the current dungeon set up of the game.

This game's Loot system is not ideal and so Myth Gear is very important.
1. My FC is does not have a team quite ready for coils yet...almost there.
2. Even if we were farming Coils it is a once a week crap shoot on gear.
3. By the time you run coils that many times you might as well be running WP...it gets that easy. (I have done Turns 1 and 2 and not so bad)
4. I have one friend that has been running coils from the beginning and still is not FuLL Allagan...really nice system...NOT!!!!!!!
So please do not tell me Myth gear should not be the same level.

Housing should drop the best gear in the game. Once you buy a house, you go inside and look in the closet, wallahhhh BIS gear.

The second I need raid gear to do group content as a pre req by most groups is the day I stop logging into ff14

Yes certainly nothing wrong with getting awesome gear running easy dungeons every week but don't want people to just gather the materials and craft thier armor that's too easy.

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Originally Posted by Marzapan

I think what is meant by ak/wp being low level dungeons is the ilvl of the items they drop, and the reccomended ilvl to enter them.
When I first did ak/wp they had a bit of difficulty to them, now that i have i80, they are not dfficult at all.

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I'm pretty sure you could have your whole party rock AF armor and ilvl 50 weapons and wp or ak wouldn't be a problem at all.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

I'm pretty sure you could have your whole party rock AF armor and ilvl 50 weapons and wp or ak wouldn't be a problem at all.

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Rotations honestly mean more than gear. You could have all ilevel90 equipment and have terrible dps because your rotation is terrible.

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Originally Posted by Marzapan

If crafted gear isn't as good as 'loot' gear because the game wants you to earn your gear from farming monsters, not from farming gil.

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It has nothing to do with farming gil and everything to do with minimizing RMT.

People who think coil isn't "Casual" content are making me laugh.

"BUT, TEH CURZUALS, DEYZ RUININ' MY GAEM BECAUSE I CAN'T STROKE MY E-DICK AS HARD."

Please. It takes 1-2 weeks of spamming ilvl 55 content to get a piece of Myth gear, too, but the "raids" in this game up to turn 5 and possibly four for some people are absolutely laughable. Even the most casual player can go in to turns 1 and 2, get 4 chances at ilvl 90 loot per week, and be done in half an hour.

This game IS casual. Completely and utterly. The lot of you who are deluding yourselves into thinking you're "better" because you do coil are just that - delusional. The only thing that has any real merit are Twintania weapons, and guess what? You can't get those from myth.

All this is is a bunch of babies crying that they can't be enough of a special snowflake on an MMO, while simultaneously refusing to realize that they aren't actually "special" in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Alternative gearing routes.

Nobody wants to do just coil for BiS gear once a week.

Also, Myth gear can be obtained without doing endgame dungeons so casuals can gear up.

Best to have a few options for gearing up instead of a single path.

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This doesn't answer the question as to why myth gear is as good or at times, better than allagan gear.

Yes there should be various ways of gearing up, but allagan should be the best gear in the game as it comes from the hardest content.

I think all allagan gear should be ilvl95.

"Hardest" is subjective. It's still not difficult, save for Twintania, who *does* drop ilvl 95 gear.

There is about as much effort required in doing T1 and 2 as there is for spamming AK over and over and over.

"I don't want people that have a life to have i90 gear =(. I sit inside my grandma's garage all day and play ffxiv with my fc all day and all we do is run coil. It's not fair that people obtain ilvl90 armor and weapons so easily when I do the most hardest content, which means only I must have the most powerful gear! I don't care if they have school or a good paying job! or a family to look after! I wanna look special and show off my ilvl 90 gear in towns and fake afk all day so people can stare at me when they run by so they can think i'm one of the pro's =D."

Pretty much from what I just read through 12 pages, we got a warrior or people that are hardcore raiders that do coil to get the highest level gear are they are getting mad that casuals are getting the same level of gear as them by doing level 50 dungeon content.

*sigh*

Its the same in every MMO, there's always a group of raiders that does the top content to be special snowflakes over anyone else so they can look cool while they are afk in towns. To cheer this thread up, I shall give you a cute chicken
http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/m...356_medium.jpg

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

Its the same in every MMO, there's always a group of raiders that does the top content to be special snowflakes over anyone else so they can look cool while they are afk in towns.

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I clearly remember in WoW, when pvp gear got introduced, with glowing shoulders, the raiders started whining like mad that non-raiders could get what they called "welfare epics", even though at the time the pvp was much harder to get. (had to get to a rank, not just spam run it.) There were people complaining a LOT about the pvp gear having glowing shoulders. So yes, it was all about special snowflakes standing around in town. The funny thing is, a lot of them were the same ones complaining how easy the game was, but never even beat normal difficulty raiding at current tiers.

I also don't get why people are so crazy about mthy/allagan/whatever, since it's pretty clear there will be even better gear down the road, and once there is, do people really want to run old content just to be able to do what comes next?

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Originally Posted by Doo

Housing should drop the best gear in the game. Once you buy a house, you go inside and look in the closet, wallahhhh BIS gear.

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Now this person has THE right answer!

Housing SHOULD drop THE best gear in the game, because as it stands right now, housing IS THE most difficult part of the game. Almost No body can clear the large house ilvl/gil requirement.

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Originally Posted by Ericyu

"I don't want people that have a life to have i90 gear =(. I sit inside my grandma's garage all day and play ffxiv with my fc all day and all we do is run coil. It's not fair that people obtain ilvl90 armor and weapons so easily when I do the most hardest content, which means only I must have the most powerful gear! I don't care if they have school or a good paying job! or a family to look after! I wanna look special and show off my ilvl 90 gear in towns and fake afk all day so people can stare at me when they run by so they can think i'm one of the pro's =D."

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LOL xD nice one! Unfortunately many people think like that :x