Why are Black mages so upset about PVP?

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

I don't care? I want PvP to be fun in a way it's not going to be the way it is currently designed, so I am opting out. It doesn't matter which class I PvP as, as long as it's designed entirely around denial, it will not be fun. Either you're not having fun because you're always losing, or you aren't having fun because you're steamrolling everyone.

I'm waiting for someone to make an MMO with PvP that has absolutely no crowd control abilities whatsoever. Losing control of your character doesn't feel fun or challenging. Getting locked down by CC spam is miserable. It removes your agency completely. You don't have any realistic counter. You just die.

It feels cheap and frustrating.

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LoL not even ff is carebear enough for you

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You guys really think they have not tested BLMs out in PvP before release? Why do you think scathe got nerfed? because of how overused and OP it is in PvE content? damn creatures… play the content for a bit before you come here and whine like lil b*tches

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The amount of stupidity in this post almost gave me cancer

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Originally Posted by JHeezy

It's a damn shame Cover is basically useless due to it not working half the time. It's funny how they "buff" Cover by extending it's range {still shit) but don't address the issue with the current in-game bug.

I give it a week before the Tank forums are filled with PLD tears in regards to PvP.

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Can you give us other insights of the 2.1 beta testing, if you don't need to worry about NDA? I guess you don't need to worry much, since you let this detail slip.

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Originally Posted by Amocoru

You guys need to clam down. Drastically out DPSing every other job isn't enough for you? You guys need to two shot everything PvP as well?

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On which planet do you live? I would love if what you said is true. But it is not. It might look like that because the numbers above the mobs heads are very big each time a BLM does something, but both MNK and SMN does in the long run deal more dmg than BLM's. It is just that they have smaller numbers than us that gets added more frequently.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

On which planet do you live? I would love if what you said is true. But it is not. It might look like that because the numbers above the mobs heads are very big each time a BLM does something, but both MNK and SMN does in the long run deal more dmg than BLM's. It is just that they have smaller numbers than us that gets added more frequently.

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well burst is usually more reliable then sustained DPS for pvp. will have to wait and see here but assuming it will be the case.

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Originally Posted by Amocoru

You guys need to clam down. Drastically out DPSing every other job isn't enough for you? You guys need to two shot everything PvP as well?

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Yeah, roll a blm and realise how many casts it takes to gut up and running on AF3 and then how long you can stay there. Add in our cd timers and our casting time, and ANY dps worth his salt can match us EASY.

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Originally Posted by cotti

Can you give us other insights of the 2.1 beta testing, if you don't need to worry about NDA? I guess you don't need to worry much, since you let this detail slip.

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It's funny cus you main a PLD and don't even know Covers been bugged since forever. Goes to show you've never used it and think it'll work like you read it on the skill description.

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Originally Posted by JHeezy

It's a damn shame Cover is basically useless due to it not working half the time. It's funny how they "buff" Cover by extending it's range {still shit) but don't address the issue with the current in-game bug.

I give it a week before the Tank forums are filled with PLD tears in regards to PvP.

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In what ways is Cover broken? It transfers physical damage (tank, MNK, DRG, BRD) from the target to PLD as long as they're within range; it just ignores "pre-cast" self-buffs on the PLD and Stoneskin/Hallowed entirely.

If you know how and when to use Cover, its a lifesaver. Try to use it when it can't be used, or if the covered runs around like a headless chocobo, and it will fail

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Originally Posted by Hamzey

well burst is usually more reliable then sustained DPS for pvp. will have to wait and see here but assuming it will be the case.

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Thee "You guys need to two shot everything in PvP AS WELL" part to me makes it sound like his complain about us out DPSing everyone is PvE related though.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

In what ways is Cover broken? It transfers physical damage (tank, MNK, DRG, BRD) from the target to PLD as long as they're within range; it just ignores "pre-cast" self-buffs on the PLD and Stoneskin/Hallowed entirely.

If you know how and when to use Cover, its a lifesaver. Try to use it when it can't be used, or if the covered runs around like a headless chocobo, and it will fail

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Oh you know, like the fact that sometimes it'll bug out and the Paladin will take straight unmitigated damage. On top of the stuff that you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by JHeezy

Oh you know, like the fact that sometimes it'll bug out and the Paladin will take straight unmitigated damage. On top of the stuff that you mentioned.

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You know how I said "pre-cast self-buffs"? Any buff you have on before Cover is ignored. If you want to pop a CD, do it after Covering someone. It also always ignores Hallowed, and I believe SS as well (think it ignores SS on the Covered too, hilariously enough).

I've healed a Covering PLD many, many times...and I've never seen him take more damage than he should. Covering after losing aggro vs not Covering and holding aggro always gave me the same amount of healing "trouble" (+/- a reasonable amount, comparable to mobs critting or missing extra, and this would have to do with both of those, and Cover ignoring buffs). I also can't remember a single time he died while using Cover in these instances (which would indicate much more damage being taken than normal)

Obviously, if the enemy team is stacking mages, Cover is going to be useless. Which is on reason why my pre-made team will have physical and magic DPS on it...PLD covers the heal and I can't DPS the heal down...but the caster can...and while the heal is freaking out I'm slowly killing the PLD as well.

What these mages fail to realise is they can kite and use sprint. Shocking I know.

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Originally Posted by Pavise

What these mages fail to realise is they can kite and use sprint. Shocking I know.

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What you fail to realize is ranged attack exist aswell as skill that remove sprint
What you're apparently too stupid to understand is if a BLM don't get any cast off after getting into astral fire III you're going to lose your stack
Since you obviously don't know what you're talking about i'll explain. It take 3 fire I (7.5 second) or 1 fire III (3.5 second) to get astral fire III and then you need to hardcast fire I(2.5 second) every 10 second in order to keep that stack which is going to be borderline impossible with any direct damage canceling your cast
Crazy i know

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Originally Posted by Untucoi

Yeah, roll a blm and realise how many casts it takes to gut up and running on AF3 and then how long you can stay there. Add in our cd timers and our casting time, and ANY dps worth his salt can match us EASY.

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1 cast/3.5s (less with good stuff) time to cast a fire III and get to AF3 instant... well this aside it's true blm can probably get the most instant burst, but it need to chain his spell non stop to do it or he's just useless, where a monk can just spam WS doing around 190 to 360 dmg + an AA of ~160 which is very fast too.

Don't know what to think of PVP right now since we couldn't really test it, but I'm not that afraid being BLM there. Also it's a team play, guess that more than your job it'll depend on your team mates's abilities and yours.

The only thing they'll be able to do is scathe kiting but that attack has been nerfed so with the interruptions, they're going to be pretty easy to kill.

u know what pvp game was hard for mages? Daoc , but guess what ? they managed to survive and kill things even solo .... PBAOE mages were the KILLERS in PVP , the melees were there for distraction and disrupting healers / casters, a solo PBAOE mage could kill whole teams with some finesse.....(and traits :P)

Mezz AOE (sleep) , PBAOE BOMB = death enemys everywhere

i wonder what has the Spellcaster classes that always attract the crybabies lol, look at any other mmorpg pvp forums what u see? DPS mages crying for nerfs even when they are OP as hell ~~

I'm not upset, don't even know how it works to be upset.

manawall>manaward>fireII>FireII>(other team still halfway across the arena)>swiftcast FireII>surecast Freeze....>deal with anyone still standing

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

manawall>manaward>fireII>FireII>(other team still halfway across the arena)>swiftcast FireII>surecast Freeze....>deal with anyone still standing

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Well that's a massive 5yards aoe 800 damage that you've done there in that entire rotation

Now you're out of cooldown. out of mana and you removed your astral fire III with freeze without even granting yourself umbral ice I/II/III

Brilliant

yeah it's w/e time it is, I've been up for ten minutes and blah. But with a little tweaking I'm sure you can put out a lot of dmg before anyone reaches you using aoes. Plus freeze is supposed to work now which might give you an extra few seconds before they get to you. We can probably push out a lot of aoe damage unless we're targetted first and exclusively, which we can probably come up with tactics to deal with. I mean if everyone tries to rush the blm it leaves their healer or blm open to the rest of our team.

Blm need astral fire III to do any kind of damage. you cannot just start a fight and blow up someone before they reach you

Fire3>Fire1>surecast sleep> flare>convert>swiftcast>flare
Good day to you sir!

That's assuming the 3 unslept player don't attack you at all and interupt everything.

I think aetherial manipulation is being highly overlooked here. I see it as being a very strong tool for BLM in pvp with several practical applications.

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Originally Posted by MisterChubu

Agreed, its total BS, i wish Wildstar would come out cause NCSoft would never do this to us

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Sorry but that's hilarious. Have you ever played Aion? Sorcerers stand no chance against rangers unless they're terrible ones, it's like Stunning Shot > Silence Shot > Heart Shot > Dead.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

Sorry but that's hilarious. Have you ever played Aion? Sorcerers stand no chance against rangers unless they're terrible ones, it's like Stunning Shot > Silence Shot > Heart Shot > Dead.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^ And Aion is still a p2w game with almost no content 4 years later. Anyone who thinks Wildstar will turn out any different is deluding themselves.

i hate BLM's in pvp they are so cheap >they need to bar Sleep from pvp i noticed hacking going on as well aka teleporting around the arena & death grip aka war grappling opponents across the arena!!!

this thread is pointless unless you are talking about pugging

PVP is amazing with any class if you are playing in a pre-made just know your strengths and strats

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Originally Posted by FFVII

i hate BLM's in pvp they are so cheap >they need to bar Sleep from pvp i noticed hacking going on as well aka teleporting around the arena & death grip aka war grappling opponents across the arena!!!

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You do realize that BLM have an ability that lets them teleport to another player... right? Maybe you could be a little more clear.

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Originally Posted by FFVII

i hate BLM's in pvp they are so cheap >they need to bar Sleep from pvp i noticed hacking going on as well aka teleporting around the arena & death grip aka war grappling opponents across the arena!!!

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Cry more.

Maybe we should also remove ressurrect from SMN in pvp.

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Originally Posted by Lyein

You do realize that BLM have an ability that lets them teleport to another player... right? Maybe you could be a little more clear.

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not the kind of teleporting i was refering too > a player cannot teleport where his team is to a place where none of his team is at meaning if it was the BLM it wouldnt work seeing how you cant teleport to air !!

Black mages are fine currently, just play like spellcleave in wow sleep everything..isolate one player and blow them up. 108/1 win/loss ratio at the moment playing Double BLM WHM Warr. It does require coordination though so its much easier in a premade.