FC house prices is a step in the right direction for this game! Less casual friendly.

Right direction is adding more content, not making non-essential content a retarded timesink.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Very easy to obtain imo. 10 million for 10 active people is easily obtainable in less than a week.

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aint happening to be on a cheap ass server with 4-10 mills ill have to give 20mil minimum for a feature that supposed to be promoting team spirit/fc or w/e crap

Also you might should have notice thats not my point i can pay 150k for a titan run and get a relic then participate with fail parties up to turn 4 and get allagan and ill have to pay 20 or 10 millions whatever server you prefer seems to me the roles a bit reversed here

anyway is to late to fix the actual game core progress easily obtainable weapons/armors part so i guess countering it with the side-feature of fun social time housing ? w/e all cool

I agree that maybe it is a ploy to get all rich people in the game to let go of their money. It would help revive the market boards.

So would everyone be happy if houses were cheap enough for every FC to buy on Tuesday?
Who determines what is too grindy?
To me collecting gil with my fellow FC members is something we can do together for couple of months - obviously it is not the only thing we do.
I like that it is something we can thrive towards with the knowledge that we will eventually get there, and when we do it is something to be proud of... not just another thing that will be swept under the carpet when new content comes out.

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Originally Posted by Mamba

So would everyone be happy if houses were cheap enough for every FC to buy on Tuesday?
Who determines what is too grindy?
To me collecting gil with my fellow FC members is something we can do together for couple of months - obviously it is not the only thing we do.
I like that it is something we can thrive towards with the knowledge that we will eventually get there, and when we do it is something to be proud of... not just another thing that will be swept under the carpet when new content comes out.

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There is that already even if they were cheaper. This is the land we're talking about. Then there's still the house, the furnishing, etc. Sorry but it's too much of a grind. Also farming gil for several months? What about when personal housing comes out? What about those of us that can't spend that much time? Doing the math my FC is looking at several years of grinding given how often we play and what content we play. That's ridiculous.

lol it's ridiculously hilarious seeing all the ppl on the forums QQing about house prices. I mean god dam did you expect a GOD DAM HOUSE to be a cheap as dirt bs? it's a fking house for god dam sakes xD

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Originally Posted by Reslin

There is that already even if they were cheaper. This is the land we're talking about. Then there's still the house, the furnishing, etc. Sorry but it's too much of a grind. Also farming gil for several months? What about when personal housing comes out? What about those of us that can't spend that much time? Doing the math my FC is looking at several years of grinding given how often we play and what content we play. That's ridiculous.

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The houses themselves will be cheap (compared to the land), the furnishing will be buyable for the most, using seals, or crafted at little actual cost.

It's not too much of a grind. It's just that you actually think 100,000 gil is a lot. When that's really very little. Your sense of scale is off because you never tried to actually make money.

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Originally Posted by CrowBlader

lol it's ridiculously hilarious seeing all the ppl on the forums QQing about house prices. I mean god dam did you expect a GOD DAM HOUSE to be a cheap as dirt bs? it's a fking house for god dam sakes xD

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The part I highlighted is pretty much the point of all the "QQing" going on. While I'm excited for the patch as a whole, I completely understand why this is an issue for a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The part I highlighted is pretty much the point of all the "QQing" going on. While I'm excited for the patch as a whole, I completely understand why this is an issue for a lot of people.

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if ppl rly consider this a problem then I don't see why they just don't combine their fc with another so that way can make the money quicker if they rly wanna be getting it within the 1st month(which is ridiculously stupid) hell thats what ppl in gilgamesh have been doing since yesterday. Also another good thing from combining fc's is that it'll be more active and who wouldn't want that?

I agree with the OP. Does it suck that my FC won't have a house to decorate for the holidays. Damn straight we busted our asses off to get the 1.5mil we managed to save thinking it would be enough for the 10 of to enjoy. We leveled crafts to build stuff (I am still working on weaving) but this is in no way a sky is falling situation. It just means when we can finally afford one its because we worked hard, saved and deserve our lil house and will mean more because it wasn't handed to us.

I agree with op. I don't care what kind of housing it is, I don't want it given out to us like almost all the other content has been. This is a good time sink and should take more than 3 months to accomplish. Sure it will be faster for the few that are rich, and the ones that know how to make gil but that is the way it should be.

The "The sky is falling!" Black Knights are just as bad as the White Knights.

If you're gonna leave over this, then do it. Less competition for me.

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Originally Posted by Fran636

Are leve's really such a gold mine? I could see spirit bonding or HELL even selling tome mats as being more effective and even that in itself is time consuming

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That the thing that most peoples don't understand. When you sell items in the market, you just regulate the original amount of gil in the server. You do know that in the world the governments need to print new money every years to push the development of the market right ? It is the same in the game if there is no new gil pour into the game, the economic of the game will be dead. And unfortunately thanks to Fate - you can easily to level up and obtain GC items and AF - then such easy way to obtain tombs who need to do leves or guildhest to earn gil.

My solution is easy I want everyone to have an FC house, and a personal house. This is a game that's supposed to be fun and grinding for money is neither difficult or fun. Housing doesn't affect your gear, how good you are at running dungeons, how much pvp stuff you have, it's just cosmetic and fun for FC's to hang out in.

I think we should all be able to afford, with some effort, the largest plot of land. If you are that dead set on stopping people from having something that'll make their game more fun and not affect yours I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself. Let people have fun with their friends in an mmo.

Agreed, don't know why everyone expected to be able to get the best house so easily. Smh ._.

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Originally Posted by Fran636

Are leve's really such a gold mine? I could see spirit bonding or HELL even selling tome mats as being more effective and even that in itself is time consuming

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Back in 1.0, leves gave out 100-150k gil per leve. I made 15 million gil just on leves ALONE. I sold trash to NPCs and had everything I made with crafting I used instead of sold. So, 99% of that 15 mil was doing leves every day.

SE nerfed gil in ARR, even with the denomination. Now leves are only worth a few thousand instead of 100k+

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Agreed, don't know why everyone expected to be able to get the best house so easily. Smh ._.

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Nobody expected to get the best house so easily. Everyone expected it to be affordable and accessible to all according to the statements from the developers who made the housing feature. Sadly, that's less of a convenient strawman meme to spread.

I strongly disagree, if anything Housing should be one of the more casual aspects of the game. I believe FC housing should be somewhat easy, and THEN when personal housing comes out, THAT be the luxury you have to grind your ass for. So many people were hyped for this, just to get a middle finger from SE.

Make battle content hard, not being able to decorate a fucking house. lmfao.

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

I strongly disagree, if anything Housing should be one of the more casual aspects of the game. I believe FC housing should be somewhat easy, and THEN when personal housing comes out, THAT be the luxury you have to grind your ass for. So many people were hyped for this, just to get a middle finger from SE.

Make battle content hard, not being able to decorate a fucking house. lmfao.

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No, personal housing should be more accessible, and include some form of storage. FC housing is prestige stuff for many who contribute. Personal housing is convenient stuff for people who aren't lazy. I bet large personal housing won't exceed 15 million on a large plot (at least for my server, where large FC is 100-125 mil).

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Originally Posted by Kallera

This is "To create apple pie, you must invent the universe" work.

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Oh holy gods, you quoted Carl Sagan in a thread about housing prices. Fan-freaking tastic, if I wasn't already happily married, I think I'd be in love :D

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

No, personal housing should be more accessible, and include some form of storage. FC housing is prestige stuff for many who contribute. Personal housing is convenient stuff for people who aren't lazy. I bet large personal housing won't exceed 15 million on a large plot (at least for my server, where large FC is 100-125 mil).

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Except that FC housing has no real function outside of "Ooh, pretty." Unless you mean showing off how awesome you are to other people...then you're just creating elitism and a system of haves and have nots.

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Originally Posted by cainejw

Except that FC housing has no real function outside of "Ooh, pretty." Unless you mean showing off how awesome you are to other people...then you're just creating elitism and a system of haves and have nots.

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How would it be elitism if it serves no function? Elitism is being "relic+1 i90 gear ONLY", not "pretty vanity people only". If it serves no purpose, then not having it shouldn't give you a heart attack.

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Bots have all but destroyed most of the materials markets, and with everyone finishing gearing their alts out, the market is flooded with tomestone items. It's been a real struggle to make anything at all in the last month or so. And after this announcement, the markets have seriously gone into a free fall.

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Diversification my dear, this is key. If shards are down the dumps, find good items. Look at the market at items that sell for decent profit, at a decent pace, and that don't have 500 people trying to compete for it. 2-star items is the worst given the fluctuation of the tome items worth. Do other stuff. I can make 2-star stuff, and yet I don't except on request (where I get my 15k tip on top of the mats) or for my own usage.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

No, personal housing should be more accessible, and include some form of storage. FC housing is prestige stuff for many who contribute. Personal housing is convenient stuff for people who aren't lazy. I bet large personal housing won't exceed 15 million on a large plot (at least for my server, where large FC is 100-125 mil).

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I say this because i think they would rather have people get FC houses easily opposed to personal housing, simply because i doubt their server could handle thousands of instances from the million of individual houses, at least initially.

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Originally Posted by EvokerKeii

Is it wrong for me to have envisioned you giving that speech while standing in front of a giant waving american flag with the national anthem playing in the background?

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Yes. :-P

There is 0 reason in this game to be an elitist. Elitist Jerks in this game make me giggle, because it's so incredibly dumb.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

I agree that maybe it is a ploy to get all rich people in the game to let go of their money. It would help revive the market boards.

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How?

No, seriously - how?

How will this revive Marketboards when the bulk of the gil is being taken out of the economy? Who the ever-loving hell is going to buy the items on the Marketboards when no one has any gil?! And those that do have gil, that can buy houses, they comprise a tiny percentage of the overall server population. So if 1-5% of the server are the only ones needing furniture, who the hell is going to be buying anything? Those that have the gil already have the trades in-house to make it themselves. I mean, seriously...

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Originally Posted by Faedden

That's expecting to get it easily.

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It's a feature. It should be gotten relatively easily. But...even then, how is any of this easy? I don't know how the economy is on your server, but while Balmung's is one of the stronger ones (from speaking to my friends on other servers, anyway), our economy is in no way healthy. Bots have all but destroyed most of the materials markets, and with everyone finishing gearing their alts out, the market is flooded with tomestone items. It's been a real struggle to make anything at all in the last month or so. And after this announcement, the markets have seriously gone into a free fall.

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Originally Posted by cainejw

expected it to be affordable and accessible to all

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That's expecting to get it easily. Why is everyone expecting to get the best house so easily? The other sizes are affordable, everyone seems to be up in arms about the large house for large fcs.

I won't say the name, but there was an MMO where these mounts were obtainable and were available to anyone, but were incredibly time consuming to grind out. People who got them were probably a little crazy or had a little too much time on their hands, but it was an optional thing to the story, optional thing to progression, so it wasn't like it hampered other people's gameplay.

I enjoy this kind of content, because I'm a little crazy and I have a little too much time on my hands. There should be diversity in the available content and, right now, there isn't. It's not white-knighting, it's purely opinion. You can rage all you want that SE isn't spoon-feeding you something, but know that that's your opinion and some of us disagree. Also, be aware that, as OP stated, if you like easily obtainable, 99.9% of this game is already designed for you, so you are advocating that the .1% of content some of us wackos like be beaten with a nerf bat for your ez mode pleasure.

Yay not having access to something you pay monthly to fund. Great logic.

This isn't "anti-casual," it's a long-term goal.

Long-term goals are good for everyone, not just "duper herdcurr rurders" who consider the majority of the playerbase as thumb-sucking babies. I prefer to play with casual players. Casual players tend not to be elitist a**holes who want nothing but to stroke their own egos because they have something others do not on a video game.

Getting rich isn't challenging. It just requires time and long-term effort. You obtain Gil from pretty much everything you do, whether it is crafting, hunting, questing, or dungeoneering. People who have more time to play will get rich faster. That's pretty much all it takes.

This update isn't good because it's not casual friendly. It's good because now people have something to strive for.

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

This isn't "anti-casual," it's a long-term goal.

Long-term goals are good for everyone, not just "duper herdcurr rurders" who consider the majority of the playerbase as thumb-sucking babies. I prefer to play with casual players. Casual players tend not to be elitist a**holes who want nothing but to stroke their own egos because they have something others do not on a video game.

Getting rich isn't challenging. It just requires time and long-term effort. You obtain Gil from pretty much everything you do, whether it is crafting, hunting, questing, or dungeoneering. People who have more time to play will get rich faster. That's pretty much all it takes.

This update isn't good because it's not casual friendly. It's good because now people have something to strive for.

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Or, you know, not strive for because the prices are absolutely absurd.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

Yes. :-P
Bots have all but destroyed most of the materials markets, and with everyone finishing gearing their alts out, the market is flooded with tomestone items. It's been a real struggle to make anything at all in the last month or so. And after this announcement, the markets have seriously gone into a free fall.

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You made money by selling item? Where that money come from ? other players; where other players earn money from ? according to your logic ? Sell item....... The same amount of money circulates around, around and around. How about earning money the way the game design.

I don't get you people; Everything must be easy: We can't make friend to form group - SE spoon feeding duty finder -, we want to level fast - SE spoon feeding mountain of Fates -, We want to obtain end game items fast - SE spoon feeding tombs fall from the sky -, Relic quest is too hard - SE spoon feeding complete series of duties -.

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

Or, you know, not strive for because the prices are absolutely absurd.

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Aren't they coming out with Personal housing in the next patch? I seriously have no idea. If not, then I can understand why people aren't going to strive for this.

You know, your post got me thinking....maybe Yoshi-P is a Star Wars fan? I mean, 2.0 could easily be classed as "A New Hope", 2.1 can arguably be called "Revenge of the RMTs", and I'm hoping 2.2 can be called "Return of the Casuals"

Whoops. Meant that as a reply to this:

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Originally Posted by AlmaMalma

Patch 2.1 : Return of the Bots. If you think there are a lot around now, it'll be crazy in a short while.

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Originally Posted by Aarik

You know, your post got me thinking....maybe Yoshi-P is a Star Wars fan? I mean, 2.0 could easily be classed as "A New Hope", 2.1 can arguably be called "Revenge of the RMTs", and I'm hoping 2.2 can be called "Return of the Casuals"

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It's funny you say this. I was just thinking that Yoshi P reminds me of George Lucas.

Its a waste of FC time. Dont even know the actual benfits just for having a house. FC only will aim for something if they think it will progress them in the game. Having something that takes 6-1 year of farming gil for something vanity isn't realistic. Yoshi P says you can grow Rare items in your Garden but... is the cost of buying a house will pay off in the longterm? Dont think so.

Its quite simple SE...

Large Houses= FC (20mil<---50mil)
Small & Med Houses= Personal Houses (2mil<---8Mil / 10mil<---18Mil)

That fair. This will make alot of houses be sold and will more likely drop community gil amount.

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Originally Posted by Ethir

You made money by selling item? Where that money come from ? other players; where other players earn money from ? according to your logic ? Sell item....... The same amount of money circulates around, around and around. How about earning money the way the game design.

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Excuse me while I finish laughing about your claim that in-game market is not part of the game design :rolleyes:

Seriously, I wish there are more people like you in the game, not because I think your ideas are good - in fact, you represent exactly the kind of players who would never get anywhere money wise and become a competitor, but still a perfectly fine customer.

Please, do go ahead and grind your leves for 500 gil a pop and tell yourself what a great job you're doing "earning money the way the game design" :D

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Originally Posted by Ethir

You made money by selling item? Where that money come from ? other players; where other players earn money from ? according to your logic ? Sell item....... The same amount of money circulates around, around and around. How about earning money the way the game design.

I don't get you people; Everything must be easy: We can't make friend to form group - SE spoon feeding duty finder -, we want to level fast - SE spoon feeding mountain of Fates -, We want to obtain end game items fast - SE spoon feeding tombs fall from the sky -, Relic quest is too hard - SE spoon feeding complete series of duties -.

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I feel like you don't understand English very well. Like, I want to respond to you but I'm not even sure you would understand me. I feel like you are only fully understanding half of the words, and I certainly can't understand the bulk of the gibberish you're typing.

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

Aren't they coming out with Personal housing in the next patch? I seriously have no idea. If not, then I can understand why people aren't going to strive for this.

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I believe (don't quote me on this) that they said the timeline was something like 6 months after 2.1 drops was when personal housing would come out.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

I believe (don't quote me on this) that they said the timeline was something like 6 months after 2.1 drops was when personal housing would come out.

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Yeowch! If you're correct, that's a bit much. Good thing there are lots of other things to do in the meantime.

I wish 95% of "Casual's" would un-sub then we will see how long the game last's with all the "Hardcore" players. It will be free to play in less than 3 month's.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

I feel like you don't understand English very well. Like, I want to respond to you but I'm not even sure you would understand me. I feel like you are only fully understanding half of the words, and I certainly can't understand the bulk of the gibberish you're typing.
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Mostly because you don't try to even think about it. You earn money by selling item in the market ? It's no earning money; it is circulating money. Who will by your item ? NPC ? or a player ? Where did that player earn money from ? by selling other item on the market ? Hence there IS NO new money pour into the game. Try to think before posting.

The price of houses is correct because it force player to earn new money instead of circulating the total amount of money in the server.