Cloud / Sephiroth Cross-over FATE / QUEST

u could come up with a logical explanation for ff7 : cloud falls into the lifestream n pops up in Eorzea with mako poisoning. Sephiroths remnants pop up around eorzea and after a series of fates ( like lightning's fates) they combine n form sephiroth.
eorzea is the center of the FF universe so nothings a stretch really. ppl just hate because they like the " oh well all these ppl love these characters, but i wont because thats cool" side of things. fan service is fan service. if u want something 100% original just wait for ff15, not this game

I can't belive this gets people so upset I don't see the big deal.
Why are you so filled with anger? Angry... so angry.... :D

Hey look on the bright side, technically... if Sephiroth
Were to die in Eorzea, he could never be ressurected again. (No life stream)
Cloud on the other hand.... well, he can freeze time with flashbacks so.....

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

I can't belive this gets people so upset I don't see the big deal.
Why are you so filled with anger? Angry... so angry.... :D

Hey look on the bright side, technically... if Sephiroth
Were to die in Eorzea, he could never be ressurected again. (No life stream)
Cloud on the other hand.... well, he can freeze time with flashbacks so.....

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I for one am tired of the milking off FF7 and 13... it needs to stop. There are other final fantasy's that deserve some type of appearance in this game.

At the end of the day, they will include whatever crossovers they want, regardless of how flimsy the rationale/lore for it is.

They've already shown it with this one.

Lightning gets sent over (by whom? Who knows?)
She gets 'tested' by being given soloable opponents (she never loses) with the entire population of Eorzea to back her up
She beats the boss with Odin (who apparently also came over with her).
Her last words are "Umm, yeah, so I probably won't be allowed to remember this stuff otherwise it will mess continuity up in my new game - COMING SOON!" (though there's no logical reason for her to expect not to).

Lots of good things coming out of this Dev team. Artistic Integrity? Not one of them.

Screw Cloud and Sephiroth. Bring on Zack and Genesis.

That would be amazing but i doubt it will happen... cuz they did the lightning event for a reason which is to promote the upcoming console game (Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII)... its a smart move.. so ppl who play ffxiv might get interested and check it out... but they wont gain anything from bringing Cloud and Seph to this game :(

however still hope they do it would be awesome :)

Nah. It didn't break Square's own rules.

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We will not use characters that are already dead or whose role has ended in their title

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Lightning's role is not yet finished in her respective world/title. So she could make an appearance.

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I'm amazed how many people actually support this motion. :|

I'd rather have Lara Croft and Adam Jensen (from Deus Ex HR) in FFXIV rather than Cloud and Sephiroth. And I really don't want them in this game.

Please no. I want to experience an immersive virtual world, not a Final Fantasy All Stars Battle Action Multiplayer RPG™. The Lightning FATE set is stupid enough as it is.

I would like to add that if you really care about those characters you shouldn't be okay with them being brought here as pure fanservice, as it would reduce their value as characters, that of their story, and that of all the work that the devs did originally with their games. I do care about them, as I grew up playing those games, and that's why I don't want them to be here in ARR just because it's cool to put them in.

Isn't it better for everyone if we just go play their amazing original games again instead of having a pathetic watered-down version of them here? What good would do having them here in that state? So that everyone can complain later about how bad/lazy/whatever their comeback was? Because let's be fair, everyone would have very high expectations from a cross-over like that one and they would be really hard to meet.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

We were also told it would make perfect sense why Lightning was in our world. Her appearance kinda broke all those rules. :3 Just 'sayin.

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I'm sure it will make perfect sense, if we buy "Final Fantasy XIII-3: Lightning Returns"... Just like Cloud and Sephiroth can duke it out on Eorzea and then their appearance will be fully-explained in "Final Fantasy VII: The Search for More Money" that would assuredly follow the event. >.>;

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Originally Posted by Felis

Yoshida already said, no character who died in his (or her) game.
So, no Sephiroth

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Except they had no problem reviving Sephiroth for a fan service final-battle scene in Advent Children. If there's one thing to be learned from games, movies or series; Character deaths are never permanent if their revival would benefit the plot or pocket-book.

I do not think for a moment that Square somehow has more integrity or ability to not fall prey to adding in fan service characters, regardless of how their story ended if they think they come up with a half-arsed reason for it after talking about it in the break area.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

I would like to add that if you really care about those characters you shouldn't be okay with them being brought here as pure fanservice, as it would reduce their value as characters, that of their story, and that of all the work that the devs did originally with their games. I do care about them, as I grew up playing those games, and that's why I don't want them to be here in ARR just because it's cool to put them in.

Isn't it better for everyone if we just go play their amazing original games again instead of having a pathetic watered-down version of them here? What good would do having them here in that state? So that everyone can complain later about how bad/lazy/whatever their comeback was? Because let's be fair, everyone would have very high expectations from a cross-over like that one and they would be really hard to meet.

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People want them in the game for the same reason thousands of people write horrible fan-fiction about the characters from these games; A lot of people are in love with the -idea- of the character, rather than caring that the character is portrayed true to their original intent.

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Originally Posted by Lady_Venus

That would be amazing but i doubt it will happen... cuz they did the lightning event for a reason which is to promote the upcoming console game (Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII)... its a smart move.. so ppl who play ffxiv might get interested and check it out... but they wont gain anything from bringing Cloud and Seph to this game :(

however still hope they do it would be awesome :)

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I would kill to have Sephiroth's coat

I find it funny how people think that including Cloud and/or Sephiroth would ruin Final Fantasy XIV.

You people and your silly crossover ideas.
Clearly what this game needs is a Cid crossover, bringing all the different incarnations of the character together. I'm kidding of course.

They can just place them all over the world and have the players run errands for them. Say all of the out-world Cids lost something when coming to Eorzea but found an item belonging to one of the other Cids instead and it's up to the players to take that item, locate it's owner [removal of questmarkers encouraged], and exchange it for a different item until at the end everyone has their stuff back and you get some sort of vanity item out of it.

Once again, I'm kidding. Just trying to bring the whole crossover craze to it's ludicrous conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Genjisamurai

I for one am tired of the milking off FF7 and 13... it needs to stop. There are other final fantasy's that deserve some type of appearance in this game.

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Your right, I'm sorry, FF8 was actualy my first game, but when I saw the ads for 7, heard about it,
I stopped everything I was doing and beat 7 first. It was my first FF, and still my favorite to this day.

Your absolutely right though man. Another personal Favorite of mine was 6.
I'd love to see something from that other than Magitek.

frostmagemari, you seem to think Sqaure Enix is just greedy.
You do realize things cost money right?

If you had been following this thread (Or the FF7 storyline even)
You'd understand Sephiroth can regenerate himself.
Not only were his genes spliced with some weird demonic looking alien,
he was a freak of nature science project.

Everytime Sephiroth dies, he enters the lifestream. Because of his biology,
certain conditions can allow him to come back to life.
Sephiroth actually died more than once in Final Fantasy 7.

Well hey, I'm sure we'll at least see some heartless sooner or later with the new orginaztion XIII forming in this game.

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

frostmagemari, you seem to think Sqaure Enix is just greedy.
You do realize things cost money right?

If you had been following this thread (Or the FF7 storyline even)
You'd understand Sephiroth can regenerate himself.
Not only were his genes spliced with some weird demonic looking alien,
he was a freak of nature science project.

Everytime Sephiroth dies, he enters the lifestream. Because of his biology,
certain conditions can allow him to come back to life.
Sephiroth actually died more than once in Final Fantasy 7.

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As i said earlier...

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they come up with a half-arsed reason for it after talking about it in the break area

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Which then unfortunately leads to them attempting to milk one of their games even further, with half-arsed and otherwise forgettable story lines and cliche characters.

But, it was part of the story.....

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

frostmagemari, you seem to think Sqaure Enix is just greedy.
You do realize things cost money right?

If you had been following this thread (Or the FF7 storyline even)
You'd understand Sephiroth can regenerate himself.
Not only were his genes spliced with some weird demonic looking alien,
he was a freak of nature science project.

Everytime Sephiroth dies, he enters the lifestream. Because of his biology,
certain conditions can allow him to come back to life.
Sephiroth actually died more than once in Final Fantasy 7.

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And that Lifestream is on the planet Gaia, which is not the planet Hydaelyn. If the world of Hydaelyn turns out to be the same world as FFVII, it would have to take place in FFVII's past (before Jenova arrived to mess things up) or in FFVII's future, where everyone in the FFVII cast is dead...

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And that Lifestream is on the planet Gaia, which is not the planet Hydaelyn. If the world of Hydaelyn turns out to be the same world as FFVII, it would have to take place in FFVII's past (before Jenova arrived to mess things up) or in FFVII's future, where everyone in the FFVII cast is dead...

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But through the use of timey-wimey sci-fantasy technobabble, that lifestream somehow leaks onto Hydaelyn through dimensional fissures left by Lightning and -boom- Sephiroth FATE; And only with the help of Sora and Mickey can Eorzea be saved... >.>;

Well technically the furthest forward title we've seen in ff7 is Dirge of Cerberus...which definitely didn't end the story, so he could use cloud if he wanted. (yay for cliffhangers that most likely will never get resolved).

I'm not saying it would be a good idea, I'm mostly indifferent about it. If the content is fun and it adds cool looking gear then I'm all for them adding it, if it's boring or repetitive or just shoves the characters in for the sake of it then I'm less interested.

That said there's already precedent for cloud to go world hopping, he did it in tactics, who's to say he didn't show up in ivalice before he made it home after tactics.

I'll say this again. Considering this kind of thread popped once in the past as well.

- No, for putting any previous FF titles characters in the game as cameo appearance.

- Yes, for putting new characters inspired by old FF characters. Example: Nael Van Darnus

Speaking of him. Nael van Darnus was the Eorzea counterpart of Sephiroth. From his Legatus number VII. The meteor project, the flame scene and him going crazy. If you want to look for Sephiroth, then just look for Nael. I'd much rather see Nael appear again than Sephiroth.

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

Only if we get to choose which side we're on. I'd love to kill Cloud. Whiny little bitch. Would rather see Kefka from VI.

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But.... he was despressed! Cloud, went through a lot!
Cmon you didn't even smile a little bit after he got over being sad?
That was a moment if anything. It was inspiring!

Lightning's appearance worked because she had something to do with The Void (she's voidsent) which helped promote LR:FFXIII (kinda not considering the sales/fewer copies compared to its predecessors), killing two birds with one stone.
Remember the outcry on the beta forums with that one issue some had: immersion. Which Yoshi-P took seriously.

So yes, having Cloud/Sephiroth appear in Eorzea would make no sense whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Velveteer

Lightning's appearance worked because she had something to do with The Void (she's voidsent) which helped promote LR:FFXIII (kinda not considering the sales/fewer copies compared to its predecessors), killing two birds with one stone.
Remember the outcry on the beta forums with that one issue some had: immersion. Which Yoshi-P took seriously.

So yes, having Cloud/Sephiroth appear in Eorzea would make no sense whatsoever.

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That depends on how good your "Writers" are.

Sigh... how much longer until my materia levels up?

Think of all the Cloud's, Strife's and Sepiroths on all the servers already lol....

I want Sephiroth's masamune and Cloud's great sword. ARR already has limit break, which is an element originated from FFVII.

No thanks, I never really liked character cross-overs as they are usually nonsensical and poorly made. I'd much rather see some actual content taken from FFVII, like the Gold Saucer or chocobo races.

Idc how good the writers are. Characters like Cloud and Sepiroth do not belong in Eorzea. I'd rather see the Dev time used for a new challenge XIV related.

Examples:

• 8 Man Battle against Darnus and Gaius teamed together.
• 8 Man Battle against the XIVth Imperial Commanders /w their Legatus.

Good use of Cross-content examples that are already coming:

• Crystal Tower (FFIII)
• Gold Saucer (FFVII)
• Chocobo Raising (FFXI)

Could we at least have a DPS class that uses swords like Cloud, Sephiroth, or Sqaull did?

The lightning event was terrible anyway.

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Originally Posted by BoltNixter

It will never happen, the VII cast got their hour of glory already. Even if the remake is done, they wont appear in XIV.

I bet 100M gil! (i dont have that)

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Well problem is that FF7 series isn't even finished yet. The Dirge of Cerberus ending left in a cliffhanger foreshadowing another FF7 game due to the return of the One-winged Angel Genesis Rhapsodos.

Another problem is that we're still waiting for it after all these years!

SE where the Seven Heck is that last FF7 game you teased about in the Dirge of Cerberus ending!

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Originally Posted by Mayin

The lightning event was terrible anyway.

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It could have been better I admit that. Like she didn't really move much in a couple of them.
Was a tad glitchy, half done.

It was still awesome though. I love cameos.

I think its interesting now there is another post about making Sephiroth a primal.
Which would be way better than a fate.

Ok, I'll admit it, I just wanted to bump this so there would be 2 topics about FF7
on page one, happy now? Of course not, you hate everything!

Long as I get to wear Tifa's outfit I'm all for this.

I didn't do the lightning fates because I dislike the character, others should be able to do the same regardless of character so I don't know why it's such a big deal to add more.

That being said, I wouldn't do a cloud or sephiroth fate either. If lightnings boring mediocrety is capable of being matched, its cloud and sephioroth who can meet those sad limits.