Concern with Pc Players and Console Players

I'm on PS3. I don't think Square wanted to add voice chat for the simple fact that it would be a pain in the rear. In any case, I'm looking for a Free Company that DOES use voice chat, as I'm all about having fun and being a team player. Being able to talk while casting is not only more efficient, it's fun. It's the reason I wanted to play an MMO. At any rate, if anyone would be so kind as to let me join they're presumably awesome voice chatting company, that would be most excellent! Just send me a message on here or in game. Preferably in game. :D

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

So you are admitting that you lack the skill to work through game content unless you can hear someone telling you what to do?

It is convenient nothing more. I have never played an MMO with coms and none of the guilds/linkshells i have been in ever required it. We completed content just fine. If you are aware of your surroundings and you know what is going on and trust the people you are playing with then it isn't essential.
Stating it is required is just lies. Plenty of people play without it and do just as well as people who do use them.

People like to make others play the way they want. So naturally people who cannot be bothered to type will insist on people needing to use something.

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So in other words, you have never raided any hard content, gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

i would recommend you to at least max level one of your battle classes before further commenting on this. coil requires comms to clear. or you'll spend weeks wiping on the same turn. its a fact. like i said, its the difference between clearing a turn or wiping endlessly just cuz nobody knows what they're supposed to do or why they wiped.

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As i have said many times. I never said it didn't make things easier but it isn't impossible to clear any content without coms.
People who use the "you are not level 50 argument" really need to think before using it. Is FFXIV now the hardest MMO ever made? I had no problems in any of the others i have played over the years.
Most people require you to know what the fight requires anyway before stepping in, so you already know what is going to kill you, unless of course you just happen to be one of the first going through it which as you pointed out, i am not.

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Originally Posted by Skullcrusher

So in other words, you have never raided any hard content, gotcha.

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so in other words you have no argument other than throwing idiotic comments.

The problem is it isn't SE's responsibility to monitor what players decide is a requirement. I can't even see them being able to change that besides having in-game voice, which would still require the player on a console to have additional peripherals.

Personally, I don't like VoIP. I played FFXI for years (without end-game content, admittedly) without it, and in my experience it has rarely been required. I use it now because I actually really like my FC and enjoy hanging out with them, but it annoys me when it's an absolute requirement for people.

The game is not that hard to require voice chat. Everyone just needs to know the fight... Info for coil is everywhere already.
People just don't want to pay attention.

Hell, the game even gives you macros with sound effects and 2+ seconds to type in between skills.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

As i have said many times. I never said it didn't make things easier but it isn't impossible to clear any content without coms.
People who use the "you are not level 50 argument" really need to think before using it. Is FFXIV now the hardest MMO ever made? I had no problems in any of the others i have played over the years.
Most people require you to know what the fight requires anyway before stepping in, so you already know what is going to kill you, unless of course you just happen to be one of the first going through it which as you pointed out, i am not.

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Yep. But the fact is. Unless ur in a party who are either really experienced. Or superhuman gamers who can figure out and clear coil the first time around by just watching videos and reading guides, which we all no is nonexistent, u will more than likely wipe and disband.

Seriously get into coil in this game and tell me that dealing with the mechanics via chat is as effective as over comms.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

So you are admitting that you lack the skill to work through game content unless you can hear someone telling you what to do?

It is convenient nothing more. I have never played an MMO with coms and none of the guilds/linkshells i have been in ever required it. We completed content just fine. If you are aware of your surroundings and you know what is going on and trust the people you are playing with then it isn't essential.
Stating it is required is just lies. Plenty of people play without it and do just as well as people who do use them.

People like to make others play the way they want. So naturally people who cannot be bothered to type will insist on people needing to use something.

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I use a razer orb weaver and naga to play with, I have also raided in EQ for 10 years using chat. I don't use a keyboard to type it's a crutch, the only rule in my FC is mumble. It's 2013 I am not dealing with chat anymore

The issue here is not the Pc players vs console player part. I have seen both using and not using voice chat.

The issue is pro voice chat vs. those who do not use voice chat. And that has been the case for years now in the MMO world and it has not killed of anyone or made anyone feel as an outsider. This is not really as big of a problem as you are making it sound like.

As someone who mixes voice chatting with not voice chatting I can say both are viable and you can beat any content with or without it. It is pretty easy typing in whatever you want to type in in the middle of combat as it is usually only stuff like "transport mob" and "dodge that fireball" etc. etc. That you can easily type in in less than 1 sec if you can type.

The issue is more that people do not want to separate from an advantage they usually have, but that is for another post. I think we can settle this saying: Voice chat is not needed. There are those prefering it and there are those who do not. I welcome and accept both options. Out of experience of both I can say the results are almost on pair, yes w/voicechat it usually goes better, but that is more the players than the fact that they use voice chat as most h-cores prefer using voice chat while newer players do not want to dedicate themselves as much. Also, this is a non-problem. Both groups will find likeminded people to join forces with.

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Blizzard did make a PC game for console.
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FFXI has been called 'too hardcore' with 'stupid long difficult fights' yet people played on PS2 and XB360 without issue for years.

It is straight up harder to talk to people in FFXIV than it was in FFXI. I dont know what it is about the chat settings, maybe mine aren't adjusted just right, but in ffxi, typing was a breeze and didn't get in the way of anything. Now if i don't do it just right, I've opened 15 menus and set fire to Gridania.
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This whole PC only vibe is new for SE MMO's. For years we blamed PS2 folks for holding back the game graphically and such as the hardware could only support so much, but to say they shouldn't play at all?
Where the hell did this exclusionary attitude come from?

And finally.

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Pick a damn standard voice chat application. My FC has Mumble(1). When I played EvE we used TS3(2), some use Skype(3), way way back when I was a competitive BF2 player (for money even, and ranked tournaments) we used Ventrillo(4).

There is no reason everyone should be expected to have 4+ VoIP applications depending on the random group.

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Originally Posted by Kazamoto

This whole PC only vibe is new for SE MMO's. For years we blamed PS2 folks for holding back the game graphically and such as the hardware could only support so much, but to say they shouldn't play at all?
Where the hell did this exclusionary attitude come from?

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It came from the devs introducing unforgiving game mechanics where split second response times are necessary - anything getting between the user and his objective (such as poor interface that takes 1 second longer to select an ally in need of healing, and enemy in need of interuption, graphical glitches like invisible players or culled mobs) has the potential to wipe the entire party. And this isn't coming from me as some kind've hater (I'm quite happy to bring PS3 users); it's something I hear a lot from PS users themselves - they just lost aggro, or died, or attacked the wrong target; and they themselves will blame the PS3's poor interface for the error.

Obviously these limitations can be worked around, clever tricks and solutions found through macros and practice. But it's one more layer of complexity that a PS user has to deal with but PC users don't giving the PC users a slight natural advantage - and as we all know, people aiming for top performance from their pre-made team will often aim to bring only the "best" in order to minimise the other factors potential to ruin the run.

If you're on a PS, you need to have a laptop/tablet nearby to support chat if you plan on doing any group activities. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

The issue here is not the Pc players vs console player part. I have seen both using and not using voice chat.

The issue is pro voice chat vs. those who do not use voice chat. And that has been the case for years now in the MMO world and it has not killed of anyone or made anyone feel as an outsider. This is not really as big of a problem as you are making it sound like.

As someone who mixes voice chatting with not voice chatting I can say both are viable and you can beat any content with or without it. It is pretty easy typing in whatever you want to type in in the middle of combat as it is usually only stuff like "transport mob" and "dodge that fireball" etc. etc. That you can easily type in in less than 1 sec if you can type.

The issue is more that people do not want to separate from an advantage they usually have, but that is for another post. I think we can settle this saying: Voice chat is not needed. There are those prefering it and there are those who do not. I welcome and accept both options. Out of experience of both I can say the results are almost on pair, yes w/voicechat it usually goes better, but that is more the players than the fact that they use voice chat as most h-cores prefer using voice chat while newer players do not want to dedicate themselves as much. Also, this is a non-problem. Both groups will find likeminded people to join forces with
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This. ^

Well said.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Because you shouldn't play MMO on consoles from the beginning.

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Okay, we get you're a PC elitist from all your posts but can you just stop with this garbage that you continue to come up with already? You never have anything meaningful to say and it just makes you look like an idiot. Nobody wants to hear it either.

I don't really think PC users are really breaking away from PS3 users. I rarely see people shouting for mumble and the like. They'd just like to have a better form of communication because of how difficult some raids can be. Also, as a PS3 user that joined a mumble group for the first time last week, I now understand why they'd prefer voice chatting. It makes strategizing a lot easier. If you don't have anything you can use to voice chat but are experienced in whatever you're participating in then some groups won't mind that at all.

Good luck getting Sony to approve voice chat that connects with PC users. Not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by MieyCyruuuus

Do people that refuse to use VC just expect to be carried, or just never been to twintania?

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O.o I'm sorry, I don't use any voice chat and am ps3, but I'm fighting twintania just fine. >< guess only those with Down syndrome need it.

I find that this game is just too easy to need voice anything, the GCDs make console players on par with PC players. Twintania is easy, coil is easy, anything not coil is pathetic, this game shouldn't have to use mumble, teamspeak, etc unless you're suffering from ADHD, and other attention issues.

And if you actually think a white Mage can be carried you're dead wrong. My scholar is dpsing often due to me being able to solo heal pretty much turns 1-4. My tanks might be great but that doesn't completely mitigate bad healing, so proof is in the pudding.

IT'S SKILL. If you don't have it, use voice things so other's can help you do your job!!

(Joking about the Down syndrome and ADHD stuff, but if you need voice I can understand your situation)

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

so in other words you have no argument other than throwing idiotic comments.

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How is it idiotic?

My old wow guild required vent, no vent, no raid. Most wow progression raids require vent.
I dont know who you where playing with, but im sure as hell sure its wasnt a raiding guild .
I played a tank, sometimes the mt , other time the ot. Do i just stop and drop everything and start typing when its the other tanks turn to QUICKLY taunt of me?
I can Just imagine the FUN our raid group of 25 would have had trying to clear BLACK TEMPLE without vent.
Im not talking this easy game, im talking real raiding content.

Sure , usually you can see the debuff ( 9 stacks w/e ) , but under heat , viewing the whole raid, see whos doing what etc, its easy to miss a taunt, hence vent so i can press a button and say " taunt ".

My previous comment stands, obviously you have never raided hard content as vent isnt only to tell ppl what to do, but its to co ordinate stategic battle plans in the heat of battle.
Im sorry, but im calling you out saying that when it comes to hard raiding, you have no clue.

pug'd turn 4 last night, no voice chat. im ps3 and i dont even think they knew it. easy fights, no voice chat needed.. end thread BUH BYE

I find it funny people think if we require voice chat, we must be somehow inferior because it can be done without it. News flash, we rarely talk during fights, we only call things out when the "oh fuck" accident moment comes, and primarily use it to discuss strategy, and its always faster to talk than type.
So before you stroke your ego by saying "OH I DIDN'T USE IT SO I MUST BE BETTER", consider that we require it because it makes things easier and we want our players in your static to be social and have fun talking to each other, because its a mmo. Just because you are shy with your voice, it doesn't make you better than everyone else.

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

O.o I'm sorry, I don't use any voice chat and am ps3, but I'm fighting twintania just fine. >< guess only those with Down syndrome need it.

I find that this game is just too easy to need voice anything, the GCDs make console players on par with PC players. Twintania is easy, coil is easy, anything not coil is pathetic, this game shouldn't have to use mumble, teamspeak, etc unless you're suffering from ADHD, and other attention issues.

And if you actually think a white Mage can be carried you're dead wrong. My scholar is dpsing often due to me being able to solo heal pretty much turns 1-4. My tanks might be great but that doesn't completely mitigate bad healing, so proof is in the pudding.

IT'S SKILL. If you don't have it, use voice things so other's can help you do your job!!

(Joking about the Down syndrome and ADHD stuff, but if you need voice I can understand your situation)

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funny considering u havent even completed coil.

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Originally Posted by MieyCyruuuus

I find it funny people think if we require voice chat, we must be somehow inferior because it can be done without it. News flash, we rarely talk during fights, we only call things out when the "oh fuck" accident moment comes, and primarily use it to discuss strategy, and its always faster to talk than type.
So before you stroke your ego by saying "OH I DIDN'T USE IT SO I MUST BE BETTER", consider that we require it because it makes things easier and we want our players in your static to be social and have fun talking to each other, because its a mmo. Just because you are shy with your voice, it doesn't make you better than everyone else.

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Forgive me for responding in the same tone you and many others did in this thread against ps3 players and those without voice features.!

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

funny considering u havent even completed coil.

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Did I say I completed it?

I said it was easy, you know why it hasn't been completed by my group yet? Because of schedules with my raid. ;)