Gender Locked Items (Lightning Edition)

I just changed genders today specifically for the event. Really would like to get Lightning's outfit. But I had almost completed all the quests previously. Currently sitting on 2 packages for the last 2 quests. And I'm all for the trading current gender locked gear somewhere to get the appropriate opposite gender. Would not mind not having male only equipment taking up my inventory spaces.

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Originally Posted by NytFantom

I just changed genders today specifically for the event. Really would like to get Lightning's outfit. But I had almost completed all the quests previously. Currently sitting on 2 packages for the last 2 quests. And I'm all for the trading current gender locked gear somewhere to get the appropriate opposite gender. Would not mind not having male only equipment taking up my inventory spaces.

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I had more than enough packages ready just in-case the event was reflaggable (Which it wasnt).

Just here to add my voice to the crowd - I really want an NPC that will swap my gear if I swap genders, along with the option for name changes. I haven't used my free Fantasia for this reason.

I vote yes

Vote with yes
I changed from female Miqo'te to male Miqo'te and can't use the yukata from 2012 now.
If I change back to female Miqo'te, I would not can wear all the other gender-locked gears I earned in ARR.

It make me very sad.


why exist the yukatas in separate versions for each gender? Both gender versions are to 90% the same models.

http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joy...2012/07/ff.jpg


SE already removed the race-lock from the underwears and changed it that the underwear just change the showing model for each race. It should be no problem to do the same with the gender-lock.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Vote with yes
I changed from female Miqo'te to male Miqo'te and can't use the yukata from 2012 now.
If I change back to female Miqo'te, I would not can wear all the other gender-locked gears I earned in ARR.

It make me very sad.


why exist the yukatas in separate versions for each gender? Both gender versions are to 90% the same models.

http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joy...2012/07/ff.jpg


SE already removed the race-lock from the underwears and changed it that the underwear just change the showing model for each race. It should be no problem to do the same with the gender-lock.

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This was my original problem, I had a Ladys Yukata that was sitting un-used when there was already an exchange NPC "The Calamity Salvager" they could've added it too.

I'm just going to hold on to mine for now. It's possible the change may be part of the vanity system coming soon.

Yeah I'm pretty upset myself. Changed to female not long ago and hoped I could get Lightning's outfit :(

So disappointed. I honestly thought that a repeat event would reflag the quests so we could do them again. Wasted that Fantasia -_-

Signed.

Although it's far too late to hope they implement this for the Lightning Event :-(

I'm all for a npc to swap items =/ I sent in a ticket ages ago asking if they were planning this or if I could get a gm or something to switch my swimsuits and lightning items... /sigh

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

Signed.

Although it's far too late to hope they implement this for the Lightning Event :-(

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Sadly too late for the event, however not too late to make an exchange system. The gear won't be going anywhere, would be rather easy to set up an exchange.

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Originally Posted by Rosekitten

I'm all for a npc to swap items =/ I sent in a ticket ages ago asking if they were planning this or if I could get a gm or something to switch my swimsuits and lightning items... /sigh

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They'll do it, but they'll count it towards your "One time item restoration".

I hope there's a way to exchange...even if it's only a one-time exchange. I was a miqo'te female during the event, but decided to go back to being a male lalafell afterwords, and for some reason, I was assuming that I'd be able to repeat the quests (Silly me). After smacking myself in the forehead, I was quite sad to hear there doesn't appear to be a way to exchange my female gear for male gear...which saddens me...it means poor Mini will never have that awesome Jacket.

*sigh* But there's plenty of other cool gear in the game, I suppose. He's just going to have to live with the fact that he's a perverted little lalafell that keeps women's clothing in his inn room.

Can somebody remind me why women can't wear a grey trenchcoat again?!

I missed the memo on that. Also the fact that snow is male does not make everything he's wearing 100% more masculine until the end of time.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Can somebody remind me why women can't wear a grey trenchcoat again?!

I missed the memo on that. Also the fact that snow is male does not make everything he's wearing 100% more masculine until the end of time.

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The original model was essentially 'ported' you could say, over to the XIV engine. Only a slight mesh deformation to fit the varying male body shapes was possible in the time that they had.

To make the snow outfit for female character it'd require a fair bit of work, the same for the lightning outfit for men, for the sake of development time they had to just keep it Male/Female as it was originally intended.

[A lot of development time does into these, it'd take a lot more to adjust and recreate parts of the model for male/females]

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Originally Posted by Seif

Can somebody remind me why women can't wear a grey trenchcoat again?!

I missed the memo on that. Also the fact that snow is male does not make everything he's wearing 100% more masculine until the end of time.

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UNISEX, ofc! Dunno tho.. I reflect on the valentines event, and I think the developer is just ,too, conservative to stomach UNISEX clothing.

I supprt the OP.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

To make the snow outfit for female character it'd require a fair bit of work, the same for the lightning outfit for men, for the sake of development time they had to just keep it Male/Female as it was originally intended.

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It's worth pointing out that there is apparently a male version of the Lightning outfit in FFXIII (someone linked it earlier in this very thread, IIRC), so they already have those assets.

Just dropping in to say the quest is not repeatable.

So if you've changed race, and completed the quest during the last Lightning event you will not be able to acquire the other genders equipment set.

Seasonal and one-time events like this show very distinctly that Square was not planning for people to change gender - they're likely forestalling the release of Fantasia potions on the Mog Station until they have a contingency for addressing these issues.

Bummer OP!

The stuff you people whine about is incredible. Stick to one gender, enjoy the game and the gear you get for it. The devs shouldn't have to cater to you filp floppers every time a new event comes out and you feel the need to switch your character all around to wear gear that doesn't even matter.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

The stuff you people whine about is incredible. Stick to one gender, enjoy the game and the gear you get for it. The devs shouldn't have to cater to you filp floppers every time a new event comes out and you feel the need to switch your character all around to wear gear that doesn't even matter.

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They shouldn't implement the function to "flip-flop" in the first place without having worked out a contingency for people using that function.

Nobody in this thread is going against a rule or a design in the game's established-system they're simply working within it and finding that the developers did not plan events with the fact that characters can change sex in mind.

That is what we call an unintentional oversight - it's nothing world shattering but it is frustrating for a user. A frustrated user invariably will lodge complaints in hopes that the oversight is rectified and hopefully not repeated in the future.

Don't be a dick.

Not complaining about shitty design choices and demanding bugs and oversights to be fixed is a good way to let your favored developer become stagnant because there's no pressure at all to improve. Which is fine if you are a White Knight who loves to lick the sweat out of the devs socks, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

The stuff you people whine about is incredible.

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It's not a whine.

It's a request. There's a huge difference. I'm not demanding, I've asked and they said they'll do it if there's enough support.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

Stick to one gender, enjoy the game and the gear you get for it.

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I do enjoy the game, but the game offered 2x Phials of Fantasia for free, rendering your point completely moot, therefore leading to the obvious point of why they should offer a way to exchange items are are gender locked considering they all have an opposite counter-part, it only makes sense.

It's value and worth as an in-game item is subjective to each person. It might not matter to you, but a lot of us enjoy the event items, even just for vanity purposes, seeing as that some of these are unique event items that won't be available soon it'd be a shame to have them go to waste simply because you used what you were given.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

The devs shouldn't have to cater to you filp floppers every time a new event comes out and you feel the need to switch your character all around to wear gear that doesn't even matter.

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You're right, they don't have to do anything, no-one is forcing them to do anything this is a request, and they said they'll do it. So that point is moot too.



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Their worth is your opinion, just as it is mine.
I didn't whine, I requested and they answered 'Yes if enough people want it'.
If you want something added to the game you request it, which I've done and LOW AND BEHOLD, they said they'd do it. Funny how that works, eh?




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Originally Posted by Naunet

It's worth pointing out that there is apparently a male version of the Lightning outfit in FFXIII (someone linked it earlier in this very thread, IIRC), so they already have those assets.

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Yup! There's a male character in-game who has a Guardian Corps outfit, however sadly no counter part for Snows Bohemian get-up.

I don't understand why they can't just swap your gear around to the male counterpart?

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Originally Posted by Hali

I don't understand why they can't just swap your gear around to the male counterpart?

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They are probably too busy preparing for the PS4's launch. Suggestions like the OP might seem trivial to them at this point.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

They are probably too busy preparing for the PS4's launch. Suggestions like the OP might seem trivial to them at this point.

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Luckily not so!

The development team is split into sectors;


2.2 Content

2.3 Content

Expansion Content

Immediate Fixes/Hotfixes/Adjustments/Quality Adjustments

These are (an example not exact) the teams that Square Enix split their development into. You won't have the entire XIV development team only working on one thing at a time, or nothing would ever get done.

The freckles for the aesthetician, dimension blade furniture, retainer inventory expansion are all part of the 'minor fix/adjustments team'.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

The original model was essentially 'ported' you could say, over to the XIV engine. Only a slight mesh deformation to fit the varying male body shapes was possible in the time that they had.

To make the snow outfit for female character it'd require a fair bit of work, the same for the lightning outfit for men, for the sake of development time they had to just keep it Male/Female as it was originally intended.

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They managed to adjust them all the way from Lalafell to Roegadyn. Male/Female differences are trivial compared to that.

Adding this in, even if it comes in late would be very much appreciated SE!

I'd love a masculine ver. Of lightning clothes. As it stands I wont bother with this even (again) I don't lime snows bandana or his clothes

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

They managed to adjust them all the way from Lalafell to Roegadyn. Male/Female differences are trivial compared to that.

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You'd think so, but sadly not.

Adjusting gear to fit a lalafell Roegadyn is already a task of its own never mind having to do the same again for the females once a new version of the model is made.

If the assets didn't take so long to produce from scratch it'd be feasible, but in this case it'd take a fair bit of work to make it happen.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I don't lime snows bandana or his clothes

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I personally lime it very much.


http://i.imgur.com/LTWEwxR.jpg

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Originally Posted by Shioban

You'd think so, but sadly not.

Adjusting gear to fit a lalafell Roegadyn is already a task of its own never mind having to do the same again for the females once a new version of the model is made.

If the assets didn't take so long to produce from scratch it'd be feasible, but in this case it'd take a fair bit of work to make it happen.

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But they're not from scratch, as they have the models from FFXIII; they just have to adjust them. >_> And how do you know how very long it took SE to make these things? I highly doubt you're employed there.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

But they're not from scratch, as they have the models from FFXIII; they just have to adjust them. >_> And how do you know how very long it took SE to make these things? I highly doubt you're employed there.

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I work in 3D Design, I don't have to work for Square Enix to understand the workflow.

Sadly it's not as simple as "Pull these polygons to make boobs!"

Even just to get these models into ARR took a ton of work to "Import" it essentially, the work-flow I can assure you isn't as simple as "drag and drop" a lot of remodelling, texturing and rigging takes place.
For all of the models in XIII and ARR, they work from a High-detailed model then apply those details to a lower detailed model, to make large topological adjustments you would need to go back to the High Poly model and make your adjustments from there which would be no easy feat.

For Snows outfit adjusting it to fit a female shape would NOT be an easy task. The overall body shape of a woman is different, including but not exclusive to the shape of the shoulders, waist, legs and calves. This would be a pretty large task for the XIII and ARR development team to adjust the model to suit this, more so than it's worth in time.

Consider the work load;

Male: Hyur: Midlander, Highlander | Miqo'te | Roedayn | Elezen | Lalafell

Female: Hyur: Midlander, Highlander | Miqo'te | Roedayn | Elezen | Lalafell

That's 12 model adjustments, to make the other counterparts would be a total of 24 adjustments ontop of the model redesign for snows outfit.


This is a lot of work for a quick promotional event, which probably took a month or two to even finish what they had done.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

But they're not from scratch

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A female model would in some cases essentially be working from scratch, adjusting the model without the original high-poly version would make it VERY difficult to adjust.



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You don't need to work for SE to understand the workflow.

Snow is male, to make his outfit work on a female body would take a lot of work, there are a huge number of difference in the shape for men and women that would require adjusting and this would eat up a lot more time than it'd be worth.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Snow is male, to make his outfit work on a female body would take a lot of work, there are a huge number of difference in the shape for men and women that would require adjusting and this would eat up a lot more time than it'd be worth.

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It would require more in the sense that it would be ten race/gender combinations rather than just the five races.
But a female Hyur, Elezen, or Rogadyn are all closer to Snow's body shape than a male Lalafell is. They made a decision that giving Snow's outfit to players of male Lalafell characters was more important than giving it to players of female Hyur characters. I think a better decision would have been to offer Lightning's outfit to everyone and leave Snow's outfit out of it altogether if they didn't have time to fit them both to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

It would require more in the sense that it would be ten race/gender combinations rather than just the five races.
But a female Hyur, Elezen, or Rogadyn are all closer to Snow's body shape than a male Lalafell is. They made a decision that giving Snow's outfit to players of male Lalafell characters was more important than giving it to players of female Hyur characters. I think a better decision would have been to offer Lightning's outfit to everyone and leave Snow's outfit out of it altogether if they didn't have time to fit them both to everyone.

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Teensy bit late for that now sadly.

All we can ask for is to get a method of exchanging it now.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Just dropping in to say the quest is not repeatable.

So if you've changed race, and completed the quest during the last Lightning event you will not be able to acquire the other genders equipment set.

Seasonal and one-time events like this show very distinctly that Square was not planning for people to change gender - they're likely forestalling the release of Fantasia potions on the Mog Station until they have a contingency for addressing these issues.

Bummer OP!

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They actually mentioned it on the newspage (see below). So they're very aware of the issue, but at least they've given the O.K. for it to be added if enough people like the thread and respond to it.

http://i.imgur.com/PmmpRye.jpg

So the only way to get the opposite gender's gears is to create a new character, level it up to level 12 and re-do the quests? I was at one point considering to use the Fantasia. Problem is that I only had one Fantasia, and I wanted to revert back to my male character once I've gotten Lightning's gears. :(

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Originally Posted by LucisDragoon

So the only way to get the opposite gender's gears is to create a new character, level it up to level 12 and re-do the quests? I was at one point considering to use the Fantasia. Problem is that I only had one Fantasia, and I wanted to revert back to my male character once I've gotten Lightning's gears. :(

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45 actually. The chest clothing quest is level 45 but can be worn at like, 15 I think.

Personally, I think they should have just made the event doable at 2 levels. Level 15 for easy mode, and level 45 if you like a challenge. I'm leveling a female alt all the way to 45 just for Lightning's gear ugh. She's like 26 now. Hope I can get her to 45 before the event ends.

"45 actually. The chest clothing quest is level 45 but can be worn at like, 15 I think.

Personally, I think they should have just made the event doable at 2 levels. Level 15 for easy mode, and level 45 if you like a challenge. I'm leveling a female alt all the way to 45 just for Lightning's gear ugh. She's like 26 now. Hope I can get her to 45 before the event ends."

Oh yeah, I had completely forgotten that I need to to level it up to level 45 for the last quest. In that case, I think I'll skip on the Lightning gears then. D:

Really wish they'd let us get both sets of gears. Hopefully, they'll be more mindful of this kind of situation for future events.

How is this an issue? Deal with the fact you can't have everything.

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Originally Posted by LucisDragoon

"45 actually. The chest clothing quest is level 45 but can be worn at like, 15 I think.

Personally, I think they should have just made the event doable at 2 levels. Level 15 for easy mode, and level 45 if you like a challenge. I'm leveling a female alt all the way to 45 just for Lightning's gear ugh. She's like 26 now. Hope I can get her to 45 before the event ends."

Oh yeah, I had completely forgotten that I need to to level it up to level 45 for the last quest. In that case, I think I'll skip on the Lightning gears then. D:

Really wish they'd let us get both sets of gears. Hopefully, they'll be more mindful of this kind of situation for future events.

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I'm just holding onto the lighting one for now in case I actually do get enough support as they requested and they add in an NPC for event item exchanges.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

How is this an issue?

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You seem to have not read the original post.

These items are a 'one-time-only' event, the items have a value to some players (perhaps not to you personally).
Considering some of the items were gender-locked items they're now unable to be used, so a simple exchange system would fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

Deal with the fact you can't have everything.

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That would only apply if this was something extremely difficult, strenuous or lengthy to implement, so moot point.

It's an NPC with a check value, something already in the game and easily changed;

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if; (player) has item#(whatever)
then; offer item#(whatever)

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It's a vendor system that's already set up in the game (See Rowena's NPCs and the Calamity Slavager), the item values are all that need to be added for;

Guardian Corps > Bohemian
Bohemians > Guardian Corps

Lady's Yukata > Lords Yukata

This yet again is a request, which they've said they'll add, it just requires the necessary support and general community "I would like this added" for it to happen.

If I was asking for a mechanical fire breathing unicorn with laserbeams attached to its forehead then your point would have some validity, as no such thing exists and therefore would take time to implement.

Don't confuse content creation with adjustment.

TL;DR

You're playing an MMO, if you want something added you simply ask for it,
If they don't want to add it they say No, which in this case they've said "Yes, if you get enough support"