Ff14 A realm unfinished

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Because in a MMO you have early level content, middle level content, and end game content. Everyone at any level should be able to find something to do. Why make a bunch of different jobs for people to play on if they all want to play a single job with tunnel vision?

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That's the thing though, people are leveling different classes, but on alt characters so they can work around the Coil lockout and weekly tome cap.

Having said that though, these people are edge cases with way more spare time than the average player.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

You cant post if you cancel your subscription so how are you still here?

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I've cancelled mine and you still see this reply right?

Your posting privileges are removed when the sub time runs out, not when you cancel it.

Anyways, repeating the same content on different classes (grinding the same old FATEs to 50) is not "content".

I have one thing to do in the week. That's Coil, then I'm done. I do WP if I need extra cash and want to sell tomes or get alt gear. Repeating WP a million times is not content.

There is no real variety of content. You have crafting, where you sit and do the same crafts over and over standing in the markets to hit 50.

The only remotely changing content is gathering leves that have you moving across the maps.

Hell, the big flaw in this game is that all those different battle leves are pointless to do because their money rewards are inferior and they don't really give anything of value.

All these leveling dungeons. I hate leveling, because so much content is made obsolete by becoming outdated. Imagine if all those resources making useless leveling dungeons most people hardly do a couple of times was spent instead making dungeons for endgame that people actually would consider running.

The entire reward scheme is warped as well. There's only one thing to look for in this game, and that's gear upgrades. Since those come from tomes or coil, people find the best dungeon for grinding tomes.

Primals would be more popular if their rewards were actually worthwhile. If the furniture drops weren't pitifully low. But they've made a hierarchy of content that's pretty empty at the top.

Every MMO is a beta for as long as it exists.

No really. Every patch introduces new features, and also new things for people to complain about. 2.1 comes along, another new thread with the same title as this. A year from now, another one. 2 years, another one. It happened in FFXI, it happened in WoW, and XIV is no exception.

A lot of people don't seem to realize the vast majority of players do not conquer all content in the game by the time new content comes out.

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Originally Posted by anceru

I've cancelled mine and you still see this reply right?

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aww so people can complain about a game they dont even play or are interested in. Sweet.

Yeah you should cancel and go play that perfect mmo that has everything your looking for!

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Originally Posted by Sidious

A modern MMO that is released (twice) with less content than what vanilla WoW had on release almost a decade ago is pretty... Fail.

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Yeah I agree! Wait, it's not opposite day? Sorry this mmo has released with more content than any mmo in a long time.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Yeah I agree! Wait, it's not opposite day? Sorry this mmo has released with more content than any mmo in a long time.

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And which MMO's would those be?

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Yeah I agree! Wait, it's not opposite day? Sorry this mmo has released with more content than any mmo in a long time.

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SWTOR had a lot more content at start.

But for a game where the producer say that the game truly starts at endgame, it has very little content at where the game truly starts.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

And which MMO's would those be?

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Just about every single one of them. It would be a long long list.

Amberion, end game is the most important aspect of mmo's. SWTOR end game was very very lacking. It was lacking in the most important area.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Just about every single one of them. It would be a long long list.

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So, the bargain bin of failures? That's where you're setting the bar?

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

Your other points were good, but this one? I'm sorry, but this game has bad server lag. You can white-knight that all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true. When someone can max out games like Guild Wars 2 and play with no lag at all, but can't do that with FFXIV on low settings, there is something wrong.

And to just be clear: It's server lag, not a FPS drop. The game runs well. The servers cannot handle the load. But even WoW had this problem for about the first year.

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Hmm, you mean with large FATEs? Because otherwise, I don't experience any lag at all with the game and I play on the highest settings atm. My computer isn't even what I'd consider top notch. In fact it's already about 3-4 years old.

The only time I do experience lag is during the Odin FATE due to the huge amount of people that are usually in that one place to partake in it. Which is pretty standard fare when you have hundreds of players congregating in one small area and even then the lag isn't really disturbing my own play very much. If anything the main problem it causes is that sometimes Odin will disappear and I'll have to tab around until he's targeted again. Other than that, the only thing the Odin lag does is make the sound effects all funky and delayed to where it's just one mass of sound effects all going off continually.

I actually haven't participated in Behemoth, but I'd imagine it's a similar experience.

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Originally Posted by luggz

Some times i feel like i am playing a beta version of this game with lag, errors, lack of content

No pvp at all

I can't. Be the only one that feels this way

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Care to explain what content you've actually played so far?

You guys complaining about this are entirely too selfish. Little ...12 year old spoiled brats raised by an overloving mommy I am guessing. Listen the WORLD does NOT revolve around YOU! Ok?! The content that they release in MMO's ...ALL OF THEM. Is not just for you. They didn't call you on the phone and ask what you wanted because your not everyone. And you alone certainly are not going to pay their bills. They release content for ALL aspects and all demographics. Hardcore? There is a challenging dungeon out there called coil. Don't like running it day In and out? That's your business but no one has beaten it and its not bugged to hell, stopping it from being beaten so no excuses. Finish ALL content before you come on here declaring there is no more things for you to do.

Casual/hardcore? Tons of classes for you to level and get cross class skills or achievments for and items through those achievements. Saving up for a house and all the things to buy with it. Extremely casual? lots of dungeons for you to help lowbies learn and grow into the games series and learn to enjoy it. But I garauntee almost every one of you complaining there is not much to do haven't done everything. And before you go around saying this and that isn't content....you are making yourself look like an IDIOT!. It is CLEARLY content. It may not be the content you like or want. But someone out there is doing it and liking it so stop ragging it and everyone else down. If you don't like the game move on, but don't spread lies because the world isn't perfect and revolve around you.

good point, a MMO is constantly being worked on... to keep all it's players happy...

and heres the problem with making this game noob friendly...not trying to be mean to you OP but there are so many threads of ppl that dont know how a mmo works....i think there is plenty of content and i have been having fun and playing pretty steady for the 2 months its been out...and i have no intentions of stopping anytime soon lol

Technically ARR should be functioning as intended. Content-wise it'll never be done. Updates will always happen and periodic maintenance will interrupt your game-play. In a sense, I think there's security and technical issues that still needs addressing and well, yeah!

_The MMO in general feels unfinished, especially if they need to update the same content over and over because players are exposing "loop-holes" and glitches(cheats) within the dungeons.
_The system in my opinion is too convoluted and that makes the games corrupt.

Players are well on their way to ask for more reform and bettering the game(yet again). lol

Omg, I think the content is pretty big for me. PVP is optional. PVP will come at later patch for most mmo so bear with it.
I just hit lvl 50 and it took me almost 2 months. Do you have a job or something?

Believe me, after the PVP released, you will keep posting something like this commenting how OP this skill is and that JOB is. and then rage quit.
Just chill and enjoy the game will ya.

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The MMO in general feels unfinished, especially if they need to update the same content over and over because players are exposing "loop-holes" and glitches(cheats) within the dungeons.

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Speedruns and anything that makes you able to do something fast gets "fixed" very fast. But bugs like the 3rd boss in CM going invincible is still around.

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Originally Posted by Amberion

Speedruns and anything that makes you able to do something fast gets "fixed" very fast. But bugs like the 3rd boss in CM going invincible is still around.

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ooooo, havent heard about that one. Is there a youtube video on it? *grabs popcorn and pull out a seat*

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

ooooo, havent heard about that one. Is there a youtube video on it? *grabs popcorn and pull out a seat*

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Haven't found a video of it. It is in accepted bugs though. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-damage-shield

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Originally Posted by Sidious

A modern MMO that is released (twice) with less content than what vanilla WoW had on release almost a decade ago is pretty... Fail.

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Well awesome that FFXIV didn't do that ;)

I feel this game is very hallow as well. Once you get 50 you do what? Farm tomes? And for the people that don't care about endgame content there is what? Level up another class that you don't care for? Is there anything fun to do that isn't leveling in the game? I just wish there were more options for stuff to do. I can only fate grind so much before i get tired of the place, or it gets too full. So any ideas people have of stuff to do besides leveling would be much appreciated. Thanks! :o

I am looking forward to people leaving, and server merges if necessary. I just wish they would quit posting on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Yeah I agree! Wait, it's not opposite day? Sorry this mmo has released with more content than any mmo in a long time.

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Don't worry about him. He has only one class capped on his first char wearring his AF and a little bit of Darklight, and another class cap one on a second char without any accomplishment... And only one other class beyond level 30. He's pretty far away from having seen the content of the game. Don't feed the troll.

For all of you who are not satisfied, just stop your subscription and come back when they release patch 2.3 - by then there should be hefty contents for everyone to try.

people wanted fast levelling now you have to deal with a lack of content. blame the players not SE

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Originally Posted by Lstkaws

I am looking forward to people leaving, and server merges if necessary. I just wish they would quit posting on the forums.

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I see a lot of people say this kind of stuff. Why? Why does it bother you that people make threads like this? No one is forcing you to read them, or to even post on them are they? Why do people hate it so much when someone states an opinion? It's almost always, "if you don't like the game stop playing it". If all the people that had a gripe with something on this game left it right now, it would be finished. Almost everyone has an issue with something in this game, you can't deny that. But why can't people state their opinions on the forums without them being harassed or insulted in some way? Not evenyone thinks alike, so we're just going to have to deal with it. If you don't like a thread why not just move on to another one you do like?

This is a case of you can never make everyone happy.

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

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It's not the fact that they are posting. It is the quantity and frequency that I find annoying. OP has posted the same thread several times, and so have others. If it was just a couple of threads I would ignore them, but it's five new threads a day. That is why I look forward to them leaving and no longer posting. Also a bit strange that you chastise me for stating my opinion yet defend others for stating theirs. No offense you are entitled to your opinion as well.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

A modern MMO that is released (twice) with less content than what vanilla WoW had on release almost a decade ago is pretty... Fail.

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WoW had just as much content, if not less...

Lack of content is not the same as content that is undesireable to you.
WP, AK, CM, Prae, Titan, Garuda, Chimera, Ifrit, Dzemael Darkhold, Aurum Vale, Cape Westwind, Hydra, Coils, crafting, and Grand Company leves can all be consider end game. Because you do not want to do but two of those is not game developer's fault.

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Originally Posted by Madeleine

WoW had just as much content, if not less...

Lack of content is not the same as content that is undesireable to you.
WP, AK, CM, Prae, Titan, Garuda, Chimera, Ifrit, Dzemael Darkhold, Aurum Vale, Cape Westwind, Hydra, Coils, crafting, and Grand Company leves can all be consider end game. Because you do not want to do but two of those is not game developer's fault.

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It's not their fault, but it's their problem. Like any service, the company providing that service must keep their customers happy. Though I agree people have unrealistic expectations for modern MMO's, it's still a problem the developers must deal with.

I myself think there should be more content. Who wouldn't? We all want more. But it's good enough for me to stay subbed and wait until 2.1. Then I suppose I will have enough stuff to do until 2.2 ect. I understand where people are coming from, but there is a massive content update right around the corner. And it's been detail highly. By now, you should know if you'll enjoy it or not. Then make your choices accordingly.

To me, when you buy a steak in a restaraunt. 20 mins go by, and then you start bitching that you're hungery. Well, you just ordered your food, and it takes a while to make it. Whats the point of crying about the lack of content when massive amount of content is on it's way?

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Originally Posted by Madeleine

WoW had just as much content, if not less...

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Now if the poster had compared it to Rift at launch. Which begs the question: If Rift had to go ftp with all the content, classes, build variations, and expansions in that game, I wonder what is going to prevent ARR going the same way?
Don't get me wrong here, the last thing the genre needs is yet another subscription mmo going ftp, there have been too many of these, Rift, SW, SWTOR, Aion, Tera. This game needs to buck the trend - to encourage other games developers at least.
Relying purely on a franchise name won't cut it, the original launch of this game proved that - so SE the pressure is on to keep enough subscription numbers - how you do it when a solid game like Rift couldn't, and against other new games coming out - not sure, but hopefully you will :-)

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

Now if the poster had compared it to Rift at launch. Which begs the question: If Rift had to go ftp with all the content, classes, build variations, and expansions in that game, I wonder what is going to prevent ARR going the same way?

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Rift was awesome when it came out. But each game has different problems. Rift was fun, but leveling was a terrible experience. Endgame was pretty hard though. SWTOR just dropped the ball. To this day they haven't expanded on their guild system.

But, to answer your question, it was money that forced those games to F2P. And not that they were losing it, it's where they got financed from. Yoshi talked about this a lot, you should check out his older interviews. Basically SE bankrolls it's own games where as other companies get investors. So when things go badly, SE can take the hit and not have to worry about getting money to their skitish investors. Afterall, they want them to invest again.

Hopefully that answers your question about why FFXIV won't be going F2P. At least, not for a long while.

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Originally Posted by Dragonskin

When is a MMO finished?

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Usually 3 months - 1 year after launch when it gets shutdown if you're talking about these days :p Otherwise I get what the OP Means, at times it does kind of feel like a "beta", but that's mostly just the "standard" design that makes it feel a bit bland in some areas.

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Originally Posted by Madeleine

WoW had just as much content, if not less...

Lack of content is not the same as content that is undesireable to you.
WP, AK, CM, Prae, Titan, Garuda, Chimera, Ifrit, Dzemael Darkhold, Aurum Vale, Cape Westwind, Hydra, Coils, crafting, and Grand Company leves can all be consider end game. Because you do not want to do but two of those is not game developer's fault.

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WP - Tomestone grind considering people who use it for its intended purpose gets yelled at or told they're "undergeared" even though WP drops the gear you're supposed to use to go into AK with.
AK - Tomestone grind, same deal.
CM - Storyline Dungeon.
Praetorium - Storyline Dungeon.
Primals - This can be considered End-game.
Chimera - For Relic? Quest mob.
Darkhold - Promotion quest.
AV - Side content you can generally skip if it you transitioned over from 1.0 and not doing relic.
Cape Westwind - Write in full detail why would I do this of my freewill after beating it if not to help people?
Hydra - Relic quest, skippable otherwise.
Coils - The actual only true end-game currently.
Crafting - Not content
GC - Not content
Guildleves - You can in a semantics kind of way consider it content but there's no substance to it - it's a mean to an end.

So in all reality, this game does have a lack of content and even Yoshi touches on that players feel it does, which is why he's basically touting 2.1 as a "key update to fix it."

Alavastre - thank you for a well thought out reply. I hope the way you say the game is funded does have a positive impact in regard to retaining it's subscription format.
My thoughts are about unique "hooks" that are going to keep players here. Having a solid, well supported game may be enough, although it hasn't been for other games. I guess it may just be down to the formula of frequent content updates and catering to as broad a player base as possible.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

My thoughts are about unique "hooks" that are going to keep players here. Having a solid, well supported game may be enough, although it hasn't been for other games. I guess it may just be down to the formula of frequent content updates and catering to as broad a player base as possible.

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I hear you. I really think they'll focus on PVE stuff, but I love that PVP will be apart of it. I love to play me some PVP. Honestly for me, I love secrets. Like finding hidden places, or a hidden boss. Puzzles and very rare stuff always interest me. I really hope they start putting stuff like that in the game. So far, everything has been straight forward. It may take a year, but this game will find it's direction. That and hints of an expansion are always positive things that players want. They want to know their developer hasn't given up on the game. And that really plagues F2P games.

Here's to hoping.

yeah, why can't MMO companies just get together enough capital to create a fully finished game within an extremely small time period with all planned content for the next 10 years and release it at a pace customized to every single player out there...oh wait...that's a single player game...

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Originally Posted by Madeleine

WoW had just as much content, if not less...

Lack of content is not the same as content that is undesireable to you.
WP, AK, CM, Prae, Titan, Garuda, Chimera, Ifrit, Dzemael Darkhold, Aurum Vale, Cape Westwind, Hydra, Coils, crafting, and Grand Company leves can all be consider end game. Because you do not want to do but two of those is not game developer's fault.

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Good post.

The game has a lot of content, the problem is that most people disregard its existence unless you can gain some silly numbers out of it. It doesn't matter how much reward you add (as if we're doing work and need to get paid to play the game), people will still do the most "numerically efficient" and disregard everything else.

When people would rather quit a run that had not even started and go AFK in Revenant's Toll than play the game, you know you wouldn't please them no matter what you do.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Good post.

The game has a lot of content, the problem is that most people disregard its existence unless you can gain some silly numbers out of it. It doesn't matter how much reward you add (as if we're doing work and need to get paid to play the game), people will still do the most "numerically efficient" and disregard everything else.

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What do I gain by doing Cape Westwind after I beat the story? You can completely skip Cutter's Cry for example unless that's one of the new promotion quests. It's not that people disregard its existence, it's the fact some things said to be content is by large one time content only or stuff you repeat for leveling (guildleves) or side stuff you'll never honestly need or want to do.

"The numerically efficient" content are content that you actually would do multiple times. Even Guildhests have no purpose after you do it initially since you lose the completion bonus exp and repeating it is slower than just doing 1 "talk to NPC1 then NPC2 and profit" quest.

As of now I've never honestly seen anyone want to put together a party to do Cape Westwind for the heck of it.