Turn 5 Twister Strategies Compendium

I've seen the video a few more times. Obviously can't test it, but now I'm almost sure it's something in the lines of what I've posted earlier. It re-aims until cast if you run too much, and you have to be close to the initial / reaimed position to avoid it, but not on the exact spot. Supposed avoiding strategy is to move 2-5 steps to the side after it starts casting, then standing still. Running too far = likely death, standing still = sure death.

If you see the evasion video, you can notice that the twister appears very close to the position the player is when it spawns, and does not explode. He was just lucky to be on the safe spot after a "re-aiming" when the cast time ended. Picture of the exact moment the twister appears, the surviving player is right besides it. Meanwhile, on the death video, the mine doesn't even appear on screen, it blows up because you're sitting on it right when it spawns.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8049/pd0e.jpg

EDIT: On a side note, this makes the skill work very well with that platform on the middle of the screen players have to stand on (sorry, I'm not on the fight and don't know exactly how it works). If the player who's on top of it is targetted by twister and uses this strategy to avoid it, then a twister will be placed on top of the platform and make players unable to step on it until the twister disappears.

Now I'm 100% sure it's this.

That actually seems plausible.

Stupid question from someone who's nowhere near this content: Tried sprinting?

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Stupid question from someone who's nowhere near this content: Tried sprinting?

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Yes we have.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Stupid question from someone who's nowhere near this content: Tried sprinting?

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Hmmm yes... sprinting you say? Never been done before surely... IT JUST MIGHT WORK!

>.> yes I have personally tried sprinting and some videos show sprinting. I really hope more people read the thread before deciding to post.


(or I'm being trolled, if so, well done sir!)

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Originally Posted by Shiji

Hmmm yes... sprinting you say? Never been done before surely... IT JUST MIGHT WORK!

>.> yes I have personally tried sprinting and some videos show sprinting. I really hope more people read the thread before deciding to post.

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One person mentioned sprint and it wasn't included in the OP's compilation and I haven't seen any videos of it, hence adding to the discussion so stop being a sarcastic PoS and learn how to function around other people.

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Originally Posted by Vaiur

Yes we have.

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The answer I expected, thanks for clarifying, prolly worth mentioning in the OP, idk.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

The answer I expected, thanks for clarifying, prolly worth mentioning in the OP, idk.

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Your question was pointless in context to what is already known about the fight, but I do agree with you that when OP is building a thread to be so serious, complete, and while taking such a commanding presence of the 'issue' (Which, since you have made countless posts of official nature regarding Twintania I assume you intend to command the known discussion about it) covering all of your bases in the OP, including questions such as Mjolnir's obvious one, is the safest and best way to the funnel the conversation. Elsewise these kind of questions get asked, and others, who have never learned the point of conversation, will lash out and attack such questions.

Jerk post aside; I'd like to know more about the adds and this potential safe-zone area inside the AOE. I cannot test Turn 5 myself at the moment, but it seems the thread is coming onto a sound idea about the mechanic.

No excuses for a jerk post. If you feel that a post was meaningless, just ignore it.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

No excuses for a jerk post. If you feel that a post was meaningless, just ignore it.

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Read it please - and take your own advice

While I have not spent much time on turn 5, I have been reading and following many different strats and ideas. There was talk about using the neurolinks on another thread, can't remember if it was here or on reddit, but can someone explain how the neurolink actually works in this fight? It could be something that people are missing that needs to be linked at a certain time (IE during the twister cast) that could cause it to weaken or even stop it?

Planning to get back into turn 5 this week and hopefully be able to theory craft some of this myself but until then just putting in possible thoughts

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Originally Posted by NarwhalShadowsun

Read it please - and take your own advice

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Wasn't talkin' to you dude.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Wasn't talkin' to you dude.

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You said jerk post which was the bottom part of my post, easy mistake I guess.

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Originally Posted by SonyaArin

3) Dreadknights come down (you can see one in the end of my video) also on a timer. When a knight comes down, Twintania will perma-stun a random person until that Knight dies. The add will walk towards that person and if they reach them, the person is insta-killed. Killing the add releases them.

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Would Twintania still cast twister while perma stunning that particular player?

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Originally Posted by wlakiz

Would Twintania still cast twister while perma stunning that particular player?

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Twister is still cast while players are stunned by Dreadknights. I will look for an answer in our videos to if the stunned player can be targeted with a Twister.

Anyone care to explain the neurolink? Personally I think that could be where the key lies. Maybe neurolink a stun if possible?

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Originally Posted by Ariyn

Anyone care to explain the neurolink? Personally I think that could be where the key lies. Maybe neurolink a stun if possible?

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Twintania is slowed by neurolinks attached to her body and loses one of these links through the course of the fight which drop on the ground for each phase of the fight, increasing her attack speed as the fight goes on (or maybe only once she loses all of them, she keeps the debuff while she has 1+ and it isn't very descriptive, alas I'm not a healer to notice). Players who stand in the rings receive the slowing debuff she used to have. Standing in one reduces the damage of a different ability in the fight, and standing in them hasn't prevented people inside from getting targeted by Twister/hasn't caused Twister to deal damage instead of 1-shotting.

Also since some people have been asking certain clarifications - here's an image highlighting the main bits of one video.

http://i.imgur.com/HWnxT0h.jpg

The red circles are showing where avoided twisters have spawned behind the running players, who are all moving different directions. The explosion in the top right is one going off right as it spawns (on the main tank).

Rude replies to questions (or answers) really have no place in this thread. If you don't like a question being asked, don't answer. If you don't like an answer provided, don't insult, correct.

Last person who did that in this thread had his posts deleted and mysteriously stopped posting. ^_^

Another post from a person not yet up to turn 5

Is it possible to predict who it spawns on? Like maybe it is the last 4 people to perform an action on her before the cast?

From the two video.. it seems like its either everyone manages to dodge it or everyone gets killed. Is this consistent?

Never tried the fight before and I haven't paid close attention to every thread out there regarding this mechanic. This seems like a basic suggestion and I'm sure it has been suggested in other threads somewhere and/or has been tried extensively by high-end raiders but I figure getting a definite 'No' would be nice.

I've noticed that in both videos, Twintania does her Aetheric Profusion spell before casting Twister. I don't know if this happens every time or if it just so happens the cooldown for it is up only during the first Twister, so if it doesn't always happen before a Twister, this idea is already garbage. Is it possible that the initial detonation time after the small landmine tornado is set is dependent on the random raid member's missing HP? Target 4 random players, get missing HP for each individual, if their missing HP is below a threshold (say 75% of max), give half a second before able to trigger the landmine, if not then detonate instantly if landmine is touched?

Damn 1000char limit... So letting everyone hover at a bit of missing hp till the Twister cast is done might give you that extra half second to clear the landmine. After Twister though, the healers would have to be ready to top off the tank to survive the Death Sentence that follows, but that shouldn't be too tough.

Just an idea, I doubt it's something this simple. Also would like to point out that in the video of them actually avoiding 3/4 of the Twisters, 2 of the survivors were not fully topped off at the start of the cast/after it was finished. The third survivor (Teloc Arioch) is however topped at the end of the cast and it would appear he was likely full at the start of the cast... what this means is that this theory is likely flawed or inconsistent. Meh, even though I'm skeptical about this being the case, figured I'd throw it out on a 'strategies' thread. Here's my throat.

The AoE is just for phase change.

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Originally Posted by wlakiz

From the two video.. it seems like its either everyone manages to dodge it or everyone gets killed. Is this consistent?

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The video where people dodge it, one person does not.

And no, this is not consistent. Quite frequently 1/2/3/4 people will blow up while 4/3/2/1 survive.

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Originally Posted by Haidere

Just an idea, I doubt it's something this simple. Also would like to point out that in the video of them actually avoiding 3/4 of the Twisters, 2 of the survivors were not fully topped off at the start of the cast/after it was finished. The third survivor (Teloc Arioch) is however topped at the end of the cast and it would appear he was likely full at the start of the cast... what this means is that this theory is likely flawed or inconsistent.

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So basically the lower hp the member targetered the longer they have to run away from the mine? Teloc isn't necesarily an outlier to that example because the mine spawns at his feet, whereas the other two shown (who were lower %Hp) were far away by the time the mine spawned. Still doesn't explain how Teloc lived and other full hp people didn't though. I can't tell in the video, but perhaps Teloc wasn't topped off until after the cast began.

Two major problems with that train of thought:

1) Scholar pet heals can't be stopped (short of dismissing the pet)

2) the tank can be targeted. Isn't particularly kosher to require him to be not topped off when death sentence can weave between twisters, and sometimes you can't be sure which one is coming next.

Sub problem related to #1). There is zero other damage in the phase unless someone is hit by plummet or a twister to keep people not topped off.

>.> people keep talking about me. <.<

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Originally Posted by Teloc

>.> people keep talking about me. <.<

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It's because you're cute.

I haven't seen this said but how long is the twister cast channel? Say for example its 6 seconds long..what if you have to wait 4 seconds to start moving? If you move early or late you will get hit by twister? Sorry if someone mentioned this but I didn't see it in the OP and this tactic is common with bosses in hardcore raids.

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Originally Posted by kidxdynamite

I haven't seen this said but how long is the twister cast channel? Say for example its 6 seconds long..what if you have to wait 4 seconds to start moving? If you move early or late you will get hit by twister? Sorry if someone mentioned this but I didn't see it in the OP and this tactic is common with bosses in hardcore raids.

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It has a reasonably short cast (~2 sec? Maybe slightly more)

Thanks OP for this post for discussion. Upon thinking about this, i felt like there might be more to dodging Twin Tania's Twister than just moving pre emptively. I went back and thought about FFV where Twin Tania was a boss, and how it went down. While his attacks are different of course in XIV, I think they are somewhat comparable. I remember there was a book you could find and read that would give you hints on beating him, and it said something about summoning Odin before he does 'Gigaflare', or have 'Reflect" (a spell i know we don't have in XIV) or Carbuncle. I believe if you dished out enough damage while he charged 'Gigaflare' it would cancel his cast. I read also that ideally your party would be equipped with Coral Rings to absorb the Water based attacks. Maybe looking back at the old boss, we can figure something out? Just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by melisande

Thanks OP for this post for discussion. Upon thinking about this, i felt like there might be more to dodging Twin Tania's Twister than just moving pre emptively. I went back and thought about FFV where Twin Tania was a boss, and how it went down. While his attacks are different of course in XIV, I think they are somewhat comparable. I remember there was a book you could find and read that would give you hints on beating him, and it said something about summoning Odin before he does 'Gigaflare', or have 'Reflect" (a spell i know we don't have in XIV) or Carbuncle. I read also that ideally your party would be equipped with Coral Rings to absorb the Water based attacks. Maybe looking back at the old boss, we can figure something out? Just my two cents.

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lol yes what we are missing is an instakill. JUST DEATH TOUCH THE BOSS DUHHHHHRR.

I sincerely doubt that Twintania's mechanics have anything to do with past FF games, or other games in general. That would be pretty bad design. I also don't think it will have anything to do with a class-specific mechanic, as that would encourage groups not to run Turn 5 without at least <insert class requirements here>. SE already said the current focus on paladin tanks was unintended and they're fixing this in 2.1.

While you can't rule them out entirely, I think any ideas that require explicit knowledge of prior games, or stacking specific classes, or using a specific class at all, can be striked out on account of "common sense for good game design". Nods are okay-- for example, having to kill Odin before he can cast Zantetsuken is a nod to prior games, but it is not something you need to know the prior games to grasp. Ultima Weapon already introduces people to this concept in story mode, so you can figure it out on Odin without looking at past games.

Without reading every post in here...has anyone tried to turn your back to her when she starts to cast? May sound dumb but a few bosses (like some in RIFT) have this mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Ceol

(Sorry for the double post, but I felt this belonged in its own thing.)
2. Has there been any boss in this game whose dodge mechanic initiates at the end of its cast instead of its beginning?

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I believe the ADS ballast attack does this. He has a cast bar, and once the cast completes then he starts laying down the red aoe circle.

Maybe that's not the same thing though.

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Originally Posted by BlossomRose

The most pausible idea to e is that one or multiple of the adds need to be kept alive, therefore keeping Twintania slowed, therefore making her casts more manageable.

However, I can't imagine that all the big FCs haven't already tried this to no avail.

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If you needed to keep adds alive, then how are people living through Twisters at all? This would make a lot more sense if people died to twister 100% of the time.

Any comments on this strategy?

"soaking fireballs and giving Twintania stacks of waxen flesh during P2 increases the damage ceiling, size and knockback effects of individual twisters. the less stacks of waxen flesh Twintania recieves, twisters will no longer instagib and instead, deal real damage without the deathly knockbacks and knockups. the Hygeia's damage debuff can be applied to Twintania to burn through P4 (twisters) as soon as possible as the positioning to safely dodge twisters is so wonky as to not get knocked into a wall or in front of Twintania

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Originally Posted by BlossomRose

I sincerely doubt that Twintania's mechanics have anything to do with past FF games, or other games in general. That would be pretty bad design.

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Yoshi-P has hinted that bosses in Crystal Tower may have similar design mechanics to those of the game it came from, so I wouldn't be so quick to rule anything out. I mean it is already a boss from another game so ruling it out entirely seems horrifically naive.

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

It has a reasonably short cast (~2 sec? Maybe slightly more)

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meh was at school and couldnt watch the video..so much for that :P

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

...You realize PS3 players don't have mouse cursors, right?

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They may not, but they have a way to aim aoe targeted areas on the ground, it would be the same idea. This is easy to test either way.