Dark Knight

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Originally Posted by Umero

SE mentioned about lacking of healers; so, it wouldn't be a surprise if they are going to roll out a melee healer that uses dark magic and a scythe.

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Wait, sacrificing your own health to heal other players? I like it.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Wait, sacrificing your own health to heal other players? I like it.

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The idea is nice, but the implication of requiring a target to attack, in melee, to keep up healing on other players? i doubt if that would happen as a dedicated healer. Perhaps this would be purposeful as a tank, and only used on the DRK himself. I can only see it as a cooldown used during high damage phases to help out. Healing other players via attacking, especially via melee? incredibly awkward without another way to heal, when melee is unaccessible. Not for a DRK feel, I don't think. sorry. Maybe you are thinking of a blood mage...

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

The idea is nice, but the implication of requiring a target to attack, in melee, to keep up healing on other players? i doubt if that would happen as a dedicated healer. Perhaps this would be purposeful as a tank, and only used on the DRK himself. I can only see it as a cooldown used during high damage phases to help out. Healing other players via attacking, especially via melee? incredibly awkward without another way to heal, when melee is unaccessible. Not for a DRK feel, I don't think. sorry. Maybe you are thinking of a blood mage...

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Okay, if the DRK does become a tank, what class would it come from? I thought most classes were getting two different roles, so we would have to pick a class that isn't a tank already, in melee. Guess that leaves Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Once again, SCH/SMN proves this wrong. Theoretically, any class can branch off to a job outside of the class' role. This has already happened once! Therefore, it is completely possible for a Dark Knight to branch off of Gladiator. In fact, Yoshi-P seems to have this habit of mentioning that Dark Knight could branch off of Gladiator every time he mentions the Job(although he has never confirmed that this is the way it will actually happen).

In the interview linked here is one such example of Yoshi-P doing this: http://www.secrets-eorzea.com/en/new...rets-of-eorzea

Yoshida: I see what you mean. We created the system, but we do not necessarily need to follow it all the time. For example, let’s say that the Dark Knight is the second Gladiator job (attention, it is still not a confirmation), when you get its job stone at level 30, all acquired Gladiator skills will certainly be modified to better fit the image of the Dark Knight.

It was just to give an example to explain that we are not going to destroy how players consider different classes / jobs. It could be an interesting way to introduce future classes / jobs. We will consider your concerns on this issue, rest assured.
This should make things more interesting, don't you think?

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So, this shows that the team is probably at least weighing it as an option. Oh, and they wouldn't be afraid to change nearly all of GLD's skills to accommodate this!

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Thanks for the link, very interesting. Didn't think the programers would go THAT far in consideration to mod a class to shoe-horn a job in. I would actually be happy if DRK wasn't tied to Marauder as I do like WAR as a tank. However I still have my doubts.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

Okay, if the DRK does become a tank, what class would it come from? I thought most classes were getting two different roles, so we would have to pick a class that isn't a tank already, in melee. Guess that leaves Dragoon.

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I can imagine GLD, but switching the shield for another sword. Other possibility is a LNC, and using a scythe at lvl 30. one has good tank setup, the other has a good life steal setup

If this was brought up about the DRK I apologize. I'm a few mins from leaving for work and I haven't read the entire thread.
Like some I want to see the drk because I played one back in 11. An Elvaan drk popping soul eater+guillotine /kefka laugh
One Idea I had that would be a drastic change for drk slightly. I'm a smn main and I like the idea that, unlike others, my class can change what is our role in a party. I can be a dps or a healer if I wanted.
"What if" we make drk a job for thm. Hear me out. You would have a dps that can choose to be a ranged caster or a bad ass melee. As for the lore the two almost coincide. I still don't know how we would make all the thm abilitys mix with a melee. Unlike arcanist/sch/smn it would literally be a different set of abilitys but drks were melees with slight magic in 11. Never used nuke spells back then but I did drain stats+tp and abused stun :P

One thing I also don't get about this thread as a whole is that hardly anybody seems to be taking a Dark Knight with a shield seriously.

Call us FFIV fanboys and girls if you will, but can it really be coincidence that the Paladin AF Armor has shades of Cecil in it and the Dragoon AF Armor is so Kain that it hurts? I seriously think that there's a deliberate callback to FFIV with these two jobs in particular, and that there may be a high chance that Gladiator will be used to host Dark Knight solely because of the FFIV-esque duality between Paladin and Dark Knight. Since Cecil wielded a sword and a shield in both of these jobs, I doubt that a Dark Knight that branches from Gladiator would change the primary weapon of the class.

Besides, a class/job is defined by their primary weapon! How can we even know if it's possible for the Armoury System to support a class and one of its jobs having a different primary weapon? The only change that seems possible from what we know right now is to change the shield and just the shield to something else. Additionally, there can also easily be Gladiator's Primary Weapons that can only be equipped by a Dark Knight. The Relics already do this sort of restricting.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Wait, sacrificing your own health to heal other players? I like it.

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I know, right? It's SquareEnix. They should come up with something that not everyone could think about.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Besides, a class/job is defined by their primary weapon! How can we even know if it's possible for the Armoury System to support a class and one of its jobs having a different primary weapon? The only change that seems possible from what we know right now is to change the shield and just the shield to something else. Additionally, there can also easily be Gladiator's Primary Weapons that can only be equipped by a Dark Knight. The Relics already do this sort of restricting.

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I don't think it's that hard to work around with it. They can simply design it to the way that when you equip a weapon that can be used for both drk and pld, there will be another option you can choose upon equiping it, say "You are about to equip this weapon, choose your Job/Class: drk, pld, gla" and if it's a hot key that you want to make for job change, they can simply make it to bypass that option for the corresponding job hot key.

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Originally Posted by Umero

...They can simply design it to the way that when you equip a weapon that can be used for both drk and pld, there will be another option you can choose upon equiping it, say "You are about to equip this weapon, choose your Job/Class: drk, pld, gla"...

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This isn't what I mean at all. For example, SMN/SCH have plenty of books that can be freely equipped by both of them regardless of their slant toward healing or dps'ing. What I mean is this scenario:

GLD -> PLD uses a one handed sword as its primary weapon. DRK could do the same, and they would have set of swords fitted to their particular role while also being able to equip some of a PLD's swords.

However, what if they just completely change DRK's weapon? Instead of a one handed sword, they run around with a two handed Greatsword as their primary weapon? Can the Armory system be worked with such that a DRK can do this, yet still be recognized as a Job branching from GLD?

well, they just need to make up some story that fits behind all that. Game mechanic-wise, it's not hard to implement. All those relic weapons already are job specific only if you haven't noticed them.

In my experience, these things tend to sort themselves out.

Im waiting for Summoner job.

Relics auto equip job crystals so yeah the work around is easy.

I'd really like to see DRK be a tank class.
The only way I would be ok with it being a dps class is if it was a sword/shield dps form for GLD. (And yes, I think sword/shield would be an interesting setup for a melee dps class.)

There just arent enough classes that are good candidates for tank. There really needs to be a balance between the number of tank/dps/healer classes, so more tanks really should be added as other classes are.
Samurai and Dark Knight fit into the tank role best, imo.

Either way, Dark Knight is a KNIGHT, and should use a sword & shield like Leon, Cecil, Gafgarion, etc. Its the iconic FF Dark Knight.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

I'd really like to see DRK be a tank class.
The only way I would be ok with it being a dps class is if it was a sword/shield dps form for GLD. (And yes, I think sword/shield would be an interesting setup for a melee dps class.)

There just arent enough classes that are good candidates for tank. There really needs to be a balance between the number of tank/dps/healer classes, so more tanks really should be added as other classes are.
Samurai and Dark Knight fit into the tank role best, imo.

Either way, Dark Knight is a KNIGHT, and should use a sword & shield like Leon, Cecil, Gafgarion, etc. Its the iconic FF Dark Knight.

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Would be nice to know what direction they are going. The suspense is killing me!

Stop wishing for DRK to b a tank. It's a DPS. It's not ff11 style. There r better candidate in ff lOre for a tank job.

“Vikings have the ability to lure enemies into attacking them instead of other members of the party, but it's gonna hurt!”
—In-game description
The Viking (バイキング, Baikingu ?) is a Job class in Final Fantasy III. It is gained from the Water Crystal. Vikings swing giant hammers and axes with ease. Their only drawback is that they develop slower than other melee Jobs. Vikings are mainly used as a "tank" for their Provoke ability and access to the strongest armor. Ther u have it.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

I was wondering who here is waiting for the DRK. It was latterly MY class in FFXI, and was more than a little surprised that it wasn't in the launch release with the paladin as a balancing force.

So who are the dark knights in hiding around us waiting?

P.S. I am hearing the occasional person saying "DRK is going to be a tank." and I have to say this is not true in the slightest. Please look at the history of the Dark Knight before jumping to such a conclusion.

Wiki Dark Knight

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The Dark Knight class, when brought into Final Fantasy 14, will depend on which base class they will use to create the soul crystal for this job. Will it be Gladiator? Opposite the paladin which will make a Dark Knight a sword and shield type (like Cecil) AND tank since the Gladiator abilites produce enmity, OR base it off Lancer and make it a scythe class (like final fantasy 11) and since Lancer's don't get any jump abilites it could work, and the animation of using the lance could also work with a Scythe. OR will they base it off Marauder, which again makes it a tank? OR lastly, create a new base class?

Only time will tell.

Hate to say it.. but i doubt there will be a DRK class. Not in the forseeable future anyway. If they do it will most likely be a tank. Being there adding in ninja(Tank), thief(?)(dps) in the Expantion, and the duel pistol(dps) class in 2.2.
The next class they add will probably be a healer, as there already adding in dps and tank classes in the future. I would personally like ninja to be dps, but in FFXI it was a tank class. So.. i'd assume it'll be a tank in ffxiv as well. An evasion/blinding/parry tank.
I would put my money on Blue mage, a status inflicting healer class. Debuffs and buffs to many mobs at once, and full party buffs.

yeah... NIN gonna be dps cuz it was never tank to begin with. nice try

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

I'd really like to see DRK be a tank class.
The only way I would be ok with it being a dps class is if it was a sword/shield dps form for GLD. (And yes, I think sword/shield would be an interesting setup for a melee dps class.)

There just arent enough classes that are good candidates for tank. There really needs to be a balance between the number of tank/dps/healer classes, so more tanks really should be added as other classes are.
Samurai and Dark Knight fit into the tank role best, imo.

Either way, Dark Knight is a KNIGHT, and should use a sword & shield like Leon, Cecil, Gafgarion, etc. Its the iconic FF Dark Knight.

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Leon, the first DRK, primarially used spears and axes. Just look at his proficiencies and most powerful weapon...

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My main problem with the shield idea is that it provides too much to defense in this game, unlike other FF games. Here with this one, I can see it possibly coming from a gladiator but changing the role entirely to DPS as every incarnation has intended the class to be a DPS role, despite unintended hick-ups, loopholes, or game unique customizations. I am sure they never intended NIN, WHM, or BLM to be tanks and I don't see that here. If they chose a previously tank class for a DPS role, I see a stance reducing its defenses and still wearing heavy armor (It'll just would be like dragoon armor really in effect).

If you can't take my opinion, read the wiki's description:

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Originally Posted by FF-wiki

The Dark Knight is characterized by wearing tight, sometimes enclosed black armor and wielding a sword steeped in wicked powers. Their physical stats, with exception of Defense, are usually high, but their other stats depend on the game they appear in. The typical Dark Knight ability is Souleater, also known as Darkness, which allows them to sacrifice their HP to perform stronger attacks.

However, Souleater is not exclusive to the Dark Knight class. Dark Knights may also have abilities based on Blood Equipment that allows them to absorb HP and MP from enemies. The Dark Knight is opposed by the Paladin, holy knights who protect allies and wield sacred powers. Unlike many classes, Dark Knights bear a signature weapon, the Deathbringer, which has a chance to kill certain enemies in a single blow.

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Drk is easy if they implement the job it will more than likely come from Lancer. Drg already have very similar Drk moves. They are both Knights and wear similar armor. Only thing they have to do is make DRK a lancer job and be done with it. Drk job would would give access to soul eater, an enhanced blood for blood, and a few more DRK abilities, also with the DrK crystal they now equip scythes in main slot and a Great sword in the shiled slot or visa versa. The Drk abilities would determine which weapon was used. relics can be done like they do pld sword and shield.

I'll play drk if I can port my apoc over from 11 lol

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

Leon, the first DRK, primarially used spears and axes. Just look at his proficiencies and most powerful weapon...

p.s.
My main problem with the shield idea is that it provides too much to defense in this game, unlike other FF games. Here with this one, I can see it possibly coming from a gladiator but changing the role entirely to DPS as every incarnation has intended the class to be a DPS role, despite unintended hick-ups, loopholes, or game unique customizations. I am sure they never intended NIN, WHM, or BLM to be tanks and I don't see that here. If they chose a previously tank class for a DPS role, I see a stance reducing its defenses and still wearing heavy armor (It'll just would be like dragoon armor really in effect).

If you can't take my opinion, read the wiki's description:

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I don't think BLM shield can help them tank..

You can count me in ;)

I want my Dark Knight to use 2h Greatsword and to have the iconic Darkness/Sacrifice/Souleater skill. If they put the Job Quest starting point in Ishgard or Black Shroud and give them a lore full of dark and angst I think I'd die happy!

Yoshi thrown the idea of making DRK out of GLD but he said that the secondary job of the class we already have will be a different role, like ACN to SMN and SCH, too. I don't know what use would gain a DD from the tank/enmity+ skills the GLD has and the MRD, with all those HP absorbing skill, would seems a better starting role. That said, Egis turn into Fairies so everything is possibile.

The only material I know that can be connected to the DRK is this Amano's artwork http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._Cover_Art.jpg
A full black warrior with a black sword and shield, which clearly winks to the GLD. It's only an old artwork and it doesn't completely obliterate my dream of a bad giant salvationless sword bringer of destruction and desperation--LOL- as there are other classes that can change from 1H to 2H weapons.

I wouldn't mind a new starting class like Swordman or Fencer based on 2H Sword leading to DRK and SAM or RDM. About its role I'm not sure as I think both tanking and DPS can be interesting.

Oh, only time will tell..

Why does a "knight" = a shield? "Knights" utilized a large variety of both 1 handed and two handed weapons. The armory system alone would not make sense to make a DRK out of a GLD. Unless dark becomes a tank class, it would make no sense in the entire FF franchise to see a DRK wielding a shield. The moment a "Dark knight" is shield bashing to do dps from behind a target, the class will be stupid. A 1 handed sword, sure. A shield used for bashing or just held cosmetically.. as a drk? I'm sorry that's about as shitty a comparison to drk as xenosaga is to xenogears. dual wielding would be neat, but the odds of SE redesigning the offhand slot to be taken into account for DMG by equipping a stone alone is too suspect. SE always takes the easy way out with things. DRK will piggy back off of polearms or axes so that drk can get blue weapons like extreme mode drops and still equip them or gear from current dungeons while lvling to 50r. LNC, DRG, DRK or MRD, War, Drk just wait for it!

AN entirely new starting job makes more sense in terms of dps utility, opposed to going to GLD. MRD and LNC skills are the closest to the evil abilities of a DRK, alongside some sort of magic caster... gladiator gets mp!!!, people say, so does a THM...It makes a LOT more sense to make THM a secondary or tertiary class for the DRK job. But knowing SE, we will all be wrong... DRK will be Tri-wielding ball and chains or maces/clubs: 1 in each hand and then 1 in the mouth. Lastly, they will import a character model of the judges from the franchise and call it a day Or just change the pants and boots from the WAR AF and tweak the helmet a little.

@above I think for the DW part of it, SE will do it like how monks now with fist weapon on both hand. It'll b just a mirror or copy from ur main hand.

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Originally Posted by ViktorMestrovic

Why does a "knight" = a shield? "Knights" utilized a large variety of both 1 handed and two handed weapons.

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Right. In japanese, Dragoon is actually called Dragon Knight, in case anyone didn't know and was curious.

Thinking on it, most likely Dark Knight will be like Dragoon, in that it'll be DPS that can wear Heavy Armor. Odds are it will start in the Marauder or Thaumaturge lines, and require most likely both classes. Combining Thaumaturge's knowledge of destructive magic with the Marauder's knowledge of reckless battle and tanking, it shall fit the stereotypical Dark Knight well...a master of giving out damage in return for their own power. It may also be a triple-class, one that requires Arcanist as well. Sky's the limit on what classes they can use for it. It could even be an offshoot of Lancer for all we know.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

Right. In japanese, Dragoon is actually called Dragon Knight, in case anyone didn't know and was curious.

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竜騎士

Dragon Riding Samurai

Fun fact: All classes in FF end with 士 (meaning samurai).
Side note: Classes, not jobs

http://i.imgur.com/NHF0sfW.png

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Originally Posted by Umero

Not quite correct. The kanji, 士, alone does not mean much and it means different things when attached with other kanji to make a word.
Just like, the word, "apple", in pineapple means apple but a pineapple obviously is not an apple.

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This the best I've got

士 - military man, suffix for profession

I was simply pointing out it isn't called, "Dragon Knight". At least, not in this game it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

As long as I have been playing Dragoon in FFXI and FFXIV, any time I searched for the japanese name for dragoon, Dragon Knight always came up. Even the wikia page states it:



From what I found through search, 騎士(Kishi) = Knight, and the character that comes before it is 竜(Ryū) meaning Dragon.

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Interesting. A break down of the characters had me in the wrong spot. Dragon-Calvary(riding)-profession(samurai/warrior counter) for Dragoon. Which is weird considering Paladin is just Knight (ナイト).

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Originally Posted by Exstal

竜騎士

Dragon Riding Samurai

Fun fact: All classes in FF end with 士 (meaning samurai).
Side note: Classes, not jobs

http://i.imgur.com/NHF0sfW.png

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Not quite correct. The kanji, 士, alone does not mean much and it means different things when attached with other kanji to make a word.
Just like, the word, "apple", in pineapple means apple but a pineapple obviously is not an apple.

I would hope a dark knight would have a scythe. would be so cool

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Originally Posted by Exstal

I was simply pointing out it isn't called, "Dragon Knight"

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As long as I have been playing Dragoon in FFXI and FFXIV, any time I searched for the japanese name for dragoon, Dragon Knight always came up. Even the wikia page states it:

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The Dragoon (竜騎士, Ryūkishi, lit. "Dragon Knight"), also localized as Dragon Knight or Lancer, is a recurring Job in the Final Fantasy series. First appearing in Final Fantasy II, they have become one of the most famous and iconic job classes of the series.

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From what I found through search, 騎士(Kishi) = Knight, and the character that comes before it is 竜(Ryū) meaning Dragon.

I like to see DPS classes like this, two as a nod to FFXI. These use existing abilities and armaments in the game.

1. Hoplite class - Tank. Essentially a tank with a spear and a shield. Uses weapons from Lancer.
2. Samurai class - DPS. The idea is similar to a Dragoon, where the arts are focused in concentrating energy to a single point, but here a blade instead of a lance. Uses weapons from Gladiator but not shield.
3. Ninja class - DPS. Essentially combines a Pugilist with a Tharmautage/Black Mage.

give me a great sword class, with DD job DRK, and tank job Rune Fencer
and we can all be friends :) lol

Scythe can even come back as a different class, go for it, but I'd love a
large sword dark knight

Drk was my main class in FFxi and can't wait to for it to be implemented but I'll have to be the best alternative atm Dragoon which I love btw

My main theory is that all classes will have a dps component but classes that are primarily dps classes will have more of support dps jobs or even others roles like bard which are support

here's a few theories I have on how things might evolve class and job wise
DRK = MDR ~ Lnc /Thm
Red Mage = Gld ~ Thm/Cjn (support Melee dps , just like how bard is support Range) uses Weapon enfeebling and Refresh
Geomancer = CJN ~ Arc/Thm ( DPS Gets Earthquake , Tornado )

since classes aren't heavily based off of FF lore I think they'll add an assassin/rogue class that will utilize knives and dagger

Thief = Assass ~ Pug/Lnc ( Uses 1 dagger )
Ninja = Assasin ~ Gld/ Mrd ( uses secondary 2 daggers ) ( Tank ? )
Ranger = Archer ~ Assass/Lnc ( Pure Dps )
BeastMaster = Lnc ~ Arcanist/? get your own creature pets


will those are some of my theories

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Originally Posted by Volsung

give me a great sword class, with DD job DRK, and tank job Rune Fencer
and we can all be friends :) lol

Scythe can even come back as a different class, go for it, but I'd love a
large sword dark knight

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I predict they will probably call this class "Soldier." This would be to draw in the FF-VII crowd a bit.

Is anyone else here picking up on the new years riddle? It is making me think possibly the DRK job will be released.
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/02f...1ccfdfb3_0.png

"Beckoning shadows deeper still."
"Slender Dances with shades"

DRK isn't going to be a class then. Theres very little room for more DPS in this game with the other possible new jobs.