Skill/Spell Speed Should be Removed from Gear

Hell no. It's the only secondary stat with an actual effect on gameplay and basically the only actual player customization (different rotations at different GCD thresholds) permitted in the entire game beyond job choice.

Just merge Skill Speed and Spell Speed together and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm starting to think people didn't read the OP before responding.

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You are correct. I read up until the last paragraph, but sadly, that was the first paragraph in which you moved on from simply bemoaning SkS/SpS.

I'd be fine with removing Skill/Spell Speed from gear so long as I can still reach extreme GCD thresholds without it. At present, that's not remotely possible.

If I wanted to play a 2.00s GCD SAM, for instance, the vast majority of my SkS would come from gear. To be able to get that from Materia alone, you'd have to more than double the weight of each secondary stat point of SkS.

However, as SkS isn't that badly scaling a stat even as is, you'd have to also buff all other secondary stats by (roughly) the same proportion as not to make it obligatory.

If we could somehow convince the devs to deal with that balancing obstacle of more than doubling the value of secondary stats, though, I'd be in agreement.

We shouldn't remove everything that slightly inconveniences someone. If anything XIV needs to add more stuff to their battle system.

I miss dual-stat materia from 1.0

OP is objectively correct.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Hell no. It's the only secondary stat with an actual effect on gameplay and basically the only actual player customization (different rotations at different GCD thresholds) permitted in the entire game beyond job choice.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Here is my proposed solution: remove SKS completely from gear's substats and make it something you get exclusively from melding with materia. This grants more control to the player to choose what speed they want to play at without restricting what kinds of gear they're allowed to use during prog or reclears. To compensate for this change, the values for SKS/SPS tiers would also be adjusted to require smaller amounts of the stat per stat tier.

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I'm starting to think people didn't read the OP before responding.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

OP is objectively correct.

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I'm not sure if I'm objectively correct, but I haven't really heard a good counterargument yet.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

We shouldn't remove everything that slightly inconveniences someone. If anything XIV needs to add more stuff to their battle system.

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It depends on why. If the inconvenience is for a good reason, then it should be kept in the game. If it's just inconvenience for inconvenience's sake, or a dumb system at its core, then it should be changed. QoL can be a good thing in many cases. However, I will agree with you on the second point.

It doesn't really grant more control. You can't get as much sks/sps from melds as you could with what's on gear.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It doesn't really grant more control. You can't get as much sks/sps from melds as you could with what's on gear.

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Then just increase the amount of skill/spell speed you get from melds. Classes shouldn't even need more skillspeed than baseline for their class rotations to play out properly.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Then just increase the amount of skill/spell speed you get from melds. Classes shouldn't even need more skillspeed than baseline for their class rotations to play out properly.

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It's not always about proper rotations. Sometimes it's fun to go fast. Especially when the dps difference is negligible. Sam has several gcd tiers that are within a fraction of each other's dps.

I rather not see stats removed and honestly think sub-stats and the way they interact in combat needs to be overhauled in general.

Skill/spell speed should be merged and shouldn't be a complete detriment if you have too much of it due to having too fast of a GCD, Direct Hit is just Crit Jr that doesn't affect heals, and incoming damage is just too low and predictable for tanks and and healers to ever want Tenacity and Piety. The only thing that matters right now is damage, and everyone's just going to go for the stat that grants the biggest increase which is typically Crit followed Direct Hit or Determination.

Dark knights prefer slower SKS because most damage comes from oGCDs instead of GCDs, so normally having more secondary stats like Crit, Det, DH, and even TEN will benefit more. I guess im confused though why you can't take the tome weapon as it would still be a DPS increase, especially the 660 weapon.

Asphodelos DRK BiS was 2.45 for instance and not 2.50. DRKs don't require 0 skillspeed, they just prefer the lowest possible for that patch. I don't see an issue with skillspeed being a potential secondary stat on gear.