It's because of posts like that that the legitimate complaints are getting ignored....
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10-14-2021, 10:13 PMGarnix
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10-14-2021, 10:25 PMICountFrom0
What did BLM get?
Even more damage.
Even more of a lead on the top of the DPS chart.
That's quite good enough.
BLM isn't a utility class, it's pure deeps, god tier, get gud do deeps, ect. -
10-15-2021, 01:42 AMMortex
Blm will do ofc more dmg then any other caster but it’s gonna be like right now, in some fights blm and smn will be pretty close dmg wise. And what a lot of people don’t talk about is thatsummoner has 2 free ogcd heals in Phoenix (a 700 potency group heal is nothing to sneeze about and a single target heal with 1200 potency is also pretty nuts, not forcing the healer to gcd heal In way more situations and increasing group dps because of this).
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10-15-2021, 02:29 AMzcrash970Actually the heals are pretty much pointless outside of solo play. Healing in this is excruciating simple and most of the time an oGCD heal will cover dmg. Not to mention you can only use this during Phoenix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortex
Soooo...yeah. kinda pointless to count on or consider it.
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10-15-2021, 06:35 AMArchwizardOP also forgot to add that SMN and RDM now have Sleep as a role action, so BLM's relative utilitarian value has actually gone down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zzzlol94
Just, while they're nickel-and-diming things like Manaward not being "unique".
Cuz anybody was using Manaward as a raid utility, and not a means to greed out a tiny bit more DPS instead of dodging mechanics.
Well someone definitely wasn't listening when the devs said "we're changing how weapons contribute to magic and physical damage so some potencies will look lower."Quote:
Meanwhile we also get a nerfed Xeno for some reason, while the one thing we need to counteract SMN/RDM buffs is MORE damage.
Currently, BLM has had barely any buff to damage. Many jobs have gotten very slightly nerfed on potencies
... and didn't look at Paradox being over a 200 potency increase over the Fire 1 you use twice as often as Xeno...
But also, potencies right before an expansion drops are all hugely subject to change. Number tweaking is the fastest and easiest knob for adjusting balance.
Bet they're gonna say "MY DPS WAS CUT IN HALF" because of the stat crunch too.
Yes, if a well-played SMN or RDM has enough DPS they can match up to a marginally played BLM, Raise will certainly be what pushes them over.Quote:
which is STILL the primary reason no progression group will ever accept a BLM into their party if a SMN/RDM of equal skill is available.
No other factor. (/s)
... in your opinion, as someone who also says:Quote:
SE has never been able to understand how to balance casters, but they keep being completely oblivious to what's causing this to happen.
... Yeah, good luck talking down to Square about balance in your professional experience of... literally advocating homogenization.Quote:
What I think should rather be done, RDM/SMN should get rid of their non-DPS utility and get rid of their raises.
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10-15-2021, 08:21 AMwereotterThe phoenix heal in Endwalker, just like now, is flavor, not utility. You aren't holding onto firebird trance until the party really needs that medica 2 to go out because you're losing damage. As a healer, I'm sure its nice if it happens to align with phases where the party is taking a lot of damage, but really not something you can ever rely on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortex
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10-15-2021, 10:32 AMrewdEverlasting Flight already lines up with damage more often than not. On top of that, you have much more flexibility now, considering you have a 15 sec window to weave Rekindle and an additional 30 sec window for either damage to bring your target under 50% health or for the regen to start ticking down. It's absurd to write it off as "flavor".Quote:
Originally Posted by wereotter
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10-15-2021, 11:33 AMForteNightshadeIronically, you'd see very few complaints from RDM and SMNs for losing their respective Raises, especially SMN as it's new rotation makes it an even bigger DPS loss. Neither wants to raise. They do it for prog sake. It's the Healers who care because they don't want to touch their raise without Swiftcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkieTea
With all that said, OP seems to forget that BLM'S "utility" even right now is its massive damage. Hell, speed meta since Verse has brought Samurai despite Dragoon and Monk offering all kinds of buffs. Why? Their buffs aren't enough to offset Samurai's raw damage. Admittedly, there are other factors at play but sheer damage is still a major contributor. The only thing OP is correct on is statics will typically want you to play RDM/SMN for prog. While that can be understandably frustrating, the change to Embolden now means statics can more freely drop a Melee without punishing their RDM. This restriction is also only really prevalent in the more sHC and HC groups. So if you don't have those aspirations, then it really doesn't even matter. You'll find a static as a BLM. -
10-15-2021, 12:11 PMlulunamiYou use Phoenix about every 110 seconds currently on SMN. Despite that healing from Phoenix, healers are not really planning that into their healing timeline. The difference between a player living or dying is not going to be dependent upon Phoenix's heal. The other healing tools from two healers and other mitigation options will overshadow the healing from Phoenix.Quote:
Originally Posted by rewd
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10-15-2021, 12:35 PMArchwizardAs a RDM main, I like having Raise, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForteNightshade
Thing is, if you're at a point in progression where resurrecting people is still a viable route to get a clear over just wiping and resetting, leaving Raise purely to the healers begs the question... who's gonna rez the healers if their squishy arses get splatted. Even if just one goes down, if the other doesn't have Swiftcast handy, someone's gotta be healing the group and the tank.
It's nice not having them all be on one role (or even on one job in a group, given the popularity of solo-heal comps).
... Plus it's just convenient to have for taking friends and lowbies through farm content, or even for casual raid roulettes, especially if I know they're going to die repeatedly their first time or two around. Not every spell or ability has to be weighed on its value for high-end content.
Now as for SMN, I have no idea. I know I detested having to urgently Mana Shift on my RDM back in SB when MP was tight, I'd guess SMNs have pretty much the same reaction of "I hate being asked to but... fine, at least I have it, better than wiping."