I've always wondered about why they do that. The point of mmos and rpgs for a lot of people is, progression and progressing your character. I don't understand doing all the work just to have it all removed or have to relevel again in their many many releveling systems. If not blowing through content is a concern then maybe they should make their super brain dead content harder? Or just get over the fact that it might be cleared faster if someone has raid gear. I'm told most people in this game don't even raid so it shouldn't be that big of an issue.
All the Gearsyncing is getting out of Hand, at least for me.
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12-03-2020, 06:09 PMTuska
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12-03-2020, 06:29 PMlinayar
I didn't see this earlier.
Yeah, and I would guess they don't want people to hoard. It's also why the conversion rate is not 1 to 1 for retired tomestone.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaynide
That's fair, but it's also a big ask to want to change how this game works on that level after 10 years, a reboot, and 3 expansions. I, for one, like how this game functions at its core, especially its gearing system, and I hope that doesn't change.Quote:
To each their own. As is, I've capped out on this expansion for the most part with little really to do. I could get better gear, but I can already complete all the content I want to do with what I have with friends of similar iLVL, so it's not really a useful investment in time to get better gear that'll just get outclassed in a month or three. With horizontal I could at least get some gear sets for wild shenanigans. Completely different game, but as an example I took a lot of time building up my WHM in FFXI to get be a dual-wielding tanky-haste-nightmare that I could solo a lot of things with. Not necessary for content, but it was something fun to work towards.
It's a mini reward. You did the work to grind and augment your tomestone or do Savage, and you get to keep it for some time (if you want) while leveling. Not everyone does that and the new early gears could be an upgrade for them. None of it matters anyway as you'll be going for your first max level gear of the new expansion.Quote:
I still don't see why the very first dungeon in the next expansion can't be equal to endgame raid gear of the previous expansion; It's effectively pointless gear as soon as the expansion drops.
Or any max level content that doesn't have item level sync.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyakin
There is clearly progression in FFXIV, with many max level content not having item level sync.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuska
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12-03-2020, 06:56 PMTint
The problem with all the content except savage is that it is designed for an ilvl wich you can reach without any weekly lockouts (or crafted gear). They do this because they want that we are able to join the content with our 2nd and 3rd classes, but this means we already outgear the content on our main job when it gets released by at least 30 item levels.
They really should increase the item level wich they design content for, especially since they lift the weekly lockouts on tomestones in even numbered patches and on the normal raid gear in the odd numbered one, there is really no reason to let people with their 2nd classes with gear from 2 patches ago into brand new content. The 2nd classes can easily catch up to our main jobs when a new patch gets released. -
12-03-2020, 07:04 PMAraxesThat would be one solution, but sadly we are getting less end game content than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by SturmChurro
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12-03-2020, 07:20 PMNanaWilohThere are some older ex trials in this game that if you try and solo them, despite having i500 and being unsync'd they can still put you face first in the mud. End of the day want to steam roll go in unsync'd you will plow through most 4 mans like a knife through butter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyakin
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12-03-2020, 07:20 PMHysterior
Gear progression is just a carrot that, in the end, you don't really need.
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12-03-2020, 07:34 PMlinayarIncreasing the item level requirement would only make Savage-level gear closer to a requirement rather than a bonus that rewards you for getting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
Again, it's literally the opposite of what the OP is saying they want to be able to do with their Savage gears. Granted, it does give an answer to the question of what the point of getting Savage gear is, but then again, that question is already answered in that it makes content easier to do. -
12-03-2020, 09:26 PMAbsurdityWe are not talking solely about savage gear. We are talking about current tier high ilvl gear which can be either savage or tomestone, doesn't matter. What matters is that if we look at what relevant content it's useful for then there isn't a lot. Let's assume you've farmed your 450 Allegory dilligently each week and you're in full tomestone gear, maybe even Augmented Tomestone because you did Puppet's Bunker and Factory for months.Quote:
Originally Posted by linayar
What is it actually good for? Not savage because you're not doing that. You could use it in the Treasure dungeon but that one was already a cakewalk in Ronkan gear. You could use it in the 24man if you still want to keep doing that after you probably have everything from it. You can use it for the two Expert dungeons if you still do that, which by the way will be 1 Expert dungeon in 5.4 because Hero's Gauntlet is still gonna be in the roulette but sync you to 500. Or maybe the ex trial if you do those. What is most likely is that by the time you have your full Augmented gear you will have run everything but the ex trial so often that you really can't be bothered to anymore, because you have to run that same content in order to get the gear in the first place.
I'm not looking at BiS gear in this example exactly because raiding savage significantly reduces the time you need to acquire high ilvl gear. Your BiS is often made up of 50% savage and 50% tome gear which means you not only have 2 different sources to get gear from but also potentially reduces the amount of weekly lockouts to get said gear and on top of that gives you access to upgrade materials before the release of the 24man.
Regardless of what the OP wants, what I would be looking for is some of that "dreaded" challenging 4man content. Hell, not even challenging, just something between Extreme and Expert difficulty that you can carry your ilvl 500 gear into to maybe get some use out of it. -
12-03-2020, 10:01 PMlinayarSo was I. I'm just using Savage as a representative as that's what the OP mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurdity
Well, there isn't a lot of different battle content in the first place, but outside of early max level dungeons, a leveling trial, unreal trial, maps dungeon, and Bozja, the rest have no item level sync, which means better gear will always be useful.Quote:
What matters is that if we look at what relevant content it's useful for then there isn't a lot.
Well, that depends on the player.Quote:
Let's assume you've farmed your 450 Allegory dilligently each week and you're in full tomestone gear, maybe even Augmented Tomestone because you did Puppet's Bunker and Factory for months.
What is it actually good for? Not savage because you're not doing that. You could use it in the Treasure dungeon but that one was already a cakewalk in Ronkan gear. You could use it in the 24man if you still want to keep doing that after you probably have everything from it. You can use it for the two Expert dungeons if you still do that, which by the way will be 1 Expert dungeon in 5.4 because Hero's Gauntlet is still gonna be in the roulette but sync you to 500. Or maybe the ex trial if you do those. What is most likely is that by the time you have your full Augmented gear you will have run everything but the ex trial so often that you really can't be bothered to anymore, because you have to run that same content in order to get the gear in the first place.
I'm not looking at BiS gear in this example exactly because raiding savage significantly reduces the time you need to acquire high ilvl gear. Your BiS is often made up of 50% savage and 50% tome gear which means you not only have 2 different sources to get gear from but also potentially reduces the amount of weekly lockouts to get said gear and on top of that gives you access to upgrade materials before the release of the 24man.
I only do dungeons when I level or when I need to get tomestone, but otherwise, my main content in FFXIV is doing daily roulette for trials, normal raids, and alliance raids. And when I do get a max level duty in one of those, better gear will always be better, though they're still useful even on synced contents. I just did Ridorana earlier today in roulette and it was so fun doing it with people being overgeared even when synced down.
Regarding that, what kind of reward would it give? There is not much room and it might make even more content and/or reward feel "redundant" or even "useless" with the addition of a content that is between Expert and Extreme, or even Expert and Savage.Quote:
Regardless of what the OP wants, what I would be looking for is some of that "dreaded" challenging 4man content. Hell, not even challenging, just something between Extreme and Expert difficulty that you can carry your ilvl 500 gear into to maybe get some use out of it.
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12-04-2020, 12:57 AMEquitable_RemedyEnjoyment? Challenge? Recreation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Araxes