DPS jobs feel busier now

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Originally Posted by ColaSama

Oh boy, you again with your silly "logic" ? I have seen you in many posts saying the exact same non sensical thing, always with someone roasting you afterward... and here you are again ?

People dislike simple rotations because they are boring as fuck. Period. They tend to bring up WoW because a) it's the most common MMO and therefore a reference and b) it's an example of what simple rotations can do, aka "ruining classes". The fuck are you babling about with your mounts. Smell like a troll to me.

I should add that some of your points are interesting, like "make skills connect with each other more instead of feeling like each skill is an individual action" and "aoe that do the exact same thing as their single target counterparts". As for the stance dance... hmm, don't know about that. Can you give me an example of a "bloated class" and a "nicely designed" one in this game ?

Just... please... don't bring up your "delete mounts because WoW has it LUL" argument, it makes you sound silly.

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It sounds silly because it is? It's sarcasm because people keep saying "Wow does X, therefore X is bad." If you want to talk about nonsensical logical, that is the implicit definition of a fallacy, so my sarcastic comment regarding deleting mount is just as valid as anyone who says "Y has X, therefore X is bad."

Again, I'm tired of fighting about WoW, WoW had consolidated rotations since end of Burning Crusade, it certainly did not make their subscription drop anymore than normal, in fact it was a massive increase in subs from BC to WOTLK despite the simpler rotation. Now I'm going trying to be done talking about WoW. As for being roasted? LOL this is the internet, if I'm afraid of being roasted by fanboys that will refuse any change to the game, I would just stay off the internet.

Bloated classes: SMN, SAM, NIN, MNK
smoother class: BLM

Since I haven't played every single class, I can't say for the others. I can only say for the classes I've tried.

You generalize what people are saying about WoW. People are saying "WoW has braindead rotations, it's fucking bad", and that's it. They did not compare anything other than that. Your mount argument was over the top, and therefore sounded silly.

And... what did you just say about TBC having harder rotation than WOTLK ? Excuse me ?

Here is a quote before you change your shameful comment : "Again, I'm tired of fighting about WoW, WoW had consolidated rotations since end of Burning Crusade, it certainly did not make their subscription drop anymore than normal, in fact it was a massive increase in subs from BC to WOTLK despite the simpler rotation. Now I'm going trying to be done talking about WoW. As for being roasted? LOL this is the internet, if I'm afraid of being roasted by fanboys that will refuse any change to the game, I would just stay off the internet."

Is that the moment where your "oh I'm so so knowledgable about wow" fraud is revealed ? Oh my Lord, oh my GOD, the ô so terrible rotation of TBC warlocks, aka "shadowbolt is all my life" (or any caster for that matter). So much complexity. Meanwhile, Wotlk had FERAL DRUID. Period. See ? Even this argument of yours is shit, because let's face it you did not play WoW extensively : Vanilla and TBC had braindead rotations, Wotlk had more complex rotations compared to it (bigger talent tree, more spells added to the old ones without any kind of hard pruning). I... I don't understand why you are even talking about WoW if you did not play it. Stop twisting reality to feet your argument, many on this forum were hardcore on WoW for many years, they will see you are full of crap.

Retail WoW (BFA) has pure shit rotations : few buttons to press, 0 INTERACTIONS BETWEEN SPELLS (just play the monstruosity that is Havoc DH... it was one of your points after all, why aren't you on board with that complain ? maybe because you are indeed clueless about WoW as shown by your "TBC was more complex than Wotlk"), and aoe spells that do the same things than their single target counterparts. It's the definition of boring.

So yeah, let's end our WoW "discussion", it's clearly not your forte... but man, I still can't believe than you said "TBC had harder rotations than WOTLK" :D Oh boy, you are a funny one. Sorry but... Sacrifice Demon + SB spam because every other spell was dps lose, amazing rotation indeed ! Oh wait sorry, maybe you were talking about shaman spaming lightning bolt... or mages spaming fire bolt + scorch ? Oh wait I forgot an other one maybe...

You are right, it's not about "being roasted". It's just "being exposed". Shame on you for using the WoW argument without having a clue about it. "TBC had harder rotations" - Xyr.

Summoner has the same problem that Machinist had in Stormblood now. Too many oGCD abilities to be crammed into small windows and if you hit them too quickly they may or may not actually go off. Feels like stepping on your feet. Very clunky and not fun to play.

NIN openers are absurd on medium-to-higher pings (100ms+). After that it's really just managing Meisui and making sure Bunshin lines up correctly with TA. I could stand it if we actually weren't a huge liability with how terrible our damage is atm.

SAM doesn't feel bloated or busy to me at all, though. If anything the job feels dumbed down since they removed Hagakure. I enjoy doing more midares (especially x2!), but I find myself getting bored pretty fast, especially when the content is on farm.

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Originally Posted by Lium

RDM is my main and it’s largely unchanged. But SMN, BLM, NIN, and SAM all feel busier than they were in SB. Particularly SMN and NIN. I’m working my arse off playing those jobs, and sometimes after a trial, I’m exhausted.

BLM and SAM have had some minor tweaks and BLM is somewhat smoother. But the rest are seem to require more work.

Am I just playing these jobs wrong?

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Please, no. Not another tread to "simplify" that job, this job, all jobs... Or you and alike will never stop untill we oinly have to press 3 buttons? The jobs already are easy enough. Stop. Just stop and enjoy your APM. If you don't like it go play WAR or DRK. They are so easy now, that even cripple without arm can play them as pro. Let the jobs be the jobs, let us have something to do.

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Originally Posted by Taranok

Basically the devs forgot the lessons of Heavensward and made the classes too complicated with too many layers again, some classes got easier, some classes got a lot harder, most classes had at least one layer added to them, some several, and they feel worse overall for it, especially as mechanics in encounters get more and more complicated as the arms race of encounter design gets progressively more and more insane.

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NO, please STOP! STOP. ther is no too complicated jobs in the game ATM. Let us have at least some level of APM enjoyment! Don't post things like that! Please!

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Originally Posted by Xyr

Another fanboy, ignoring all the posts of suggestions regarding specific problems I made and only bringing up the "complaints". Just some example, I suggested reducing GCD to make the the flow of combat more smooth and fast paced, make skills connect with each other more instead of feeling like each skill is an individual action, making trick attack only increase damage to the Ninja and buff Ninja DPS, and consolidating single target/aoe to a toggle on/off for many of the aoe skills that are just carbon copy of their single target counterparts, and suggestions to revamp of Meditation/Shoha. But hey, as expected of another fanboy, ignoring everything except what fits their ideals, just like I stated.

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Fanboy of what excatly? i literally asked a question and because of it i am a fanboy?

Eitherway, reducing GCD is a bad idea (in the current state of the game) it will hamper the overall exeperience toa significant part of the players base, also i dont think fast GCD means smooth gameplay but what do i know.
How are you proposing that skills conect with ecah other? Like combos, or what exactly?
Stance dancing? is it worth the trouble? I dont reallly care either way.
Hmm making trick attack a personal skill instead of a raid one...well then what would NIN bring to the table? another selfish DPS like SAM?
I dont play SAM so i dont really care for that one.

So you are assuming a lot of me, making you implicitly wrong. But hey just like you stated you are ignoring everything but what fits your ideals. So if nothing else you trully are a fanboy.

Love the changes to ninja. It keeps you thinking for your next move and it never gets boring unlike some other jobs.

Side note: Dark Knight got easier and less fun to play. I'm in the minority here, but I miss SB Dark Knight.

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Originally Posted by Rakshazi

NO, please STOP! STOP. ther is no too complicated jobs in the game ATM. Let us have at least some level of APM enjoyment! Don't post things like that! Please!

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They were always easy, nothing has changed, high APM doesm mean the class is good or it plays good i mean look at BLM its not a super high APM class and it plays super smoothly, look at SMN is it not kind of spammy?
Then you have classes like NIN that have high APM and a nice flow (sure abit on the clipping side of things). So having High APM doesnt mean a more difficult nor more interesting job. I would arther have nice skill "feel and flow" than a high APM. Like DRG

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Originally Posted by rxnin

Love the changes to ninja. It keeps you thinking for your next move and it never gets boring unlike some other jobs.

Side note: Dark Knight got easier and less fun to play. I'm in the minority here, but I miss SB Dark Knight.

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You are not alone, mate. I too enjoy jobs that make you think a work rather than just press X to win. And I too think, that they've just mutilated the DRK.