FFXIV on Xbox?

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

That's actually entirely up to the developers. You know what those games also have in common? The total absence of the PS4 in the crossplay lobbies, again, at Sony's request. I mean come on, you can log in xbox live on your switch ffs, let's stop acting like it's Microsoft that's being stingy when it comes to FFXIV.

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The only two issues we know blocking 14 on Xbox is needing a separate sub to be able to accesses the game and that Microsoft had wanted Xbox live players to have to option to only play with Xbox live players. I have never seen any official source say Sony was involved in any way in the process as of yet.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

That's actually entirely up to the developers. You know what those games also have in common? The total absence of the PS4 in the crossplay lobbies, again, at Sony's request. I mean come on, you can log in xbox live on your switch ffs, let's stop acting like it's Microsoft that's being stingy when it comes to FFXIV.

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OK, but how do you respond to Xbox requiring Xbox only servers, you still haven't answered this. You keep deflecting to "but Sony"

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

OK, but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is microsoft also requires Xbox only servers, in addition to crossplay functionality. You can't have crossplay on Xbox without Xbox only servers. What sony is or isn't saying doesn't matter in this case, because SE will not put the game on a system that requires its own servers. It's all or nothing.

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They DON'T have their own servers! There's a toggle in the options menu to search for other players on the same ecosystem. A toggle option that is present on every version of those games accepting crossplay with other consoles. That toggle is on the switch, on mobile etc. It's up to the devs. None of those games have separate "Xbox Live" servers. Pretty sure that Microsoft's own game, Minecraft, doesn't even have that toggle at all.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

They DON'T have their own servers! There's a toggle in the options menu to search for other players on the same ecosystem. A toggle option that is present on every version of those games accepting crossplay with other consoles. That toggle is on the switch, on mobile etc. It's up to the devs. None of those games have separate "Xbox Live" servers. Pretty sure that Microsoft's own game, Minecraft, doesn't even have that toggle at all.

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Because those games are peer to peer, but a matchmaking server is still a server. The game communicates with players somehow. No mmos have cross platform functionality other than xiv, and the other MMOs have separate servers per platform. XIV does not.

And again, the game let's you choose to play with only Xbox players. You can't do that in xiv.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

They DON'T have their own servers! There's a toggle in the options menu to search for other players on the same ecosystem. A toggle option that is present on every version of those games accepting crossplay with other consoles. That toggle is on the switch, on mobile etc. It's up to the devs. None of those games have separate "Xbox Live" servers. Pretty sure that Microsoft's own game, Minecraft, doesn't even have that toggle at all.

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It's that toggle option that is holding up the negotiations, it's a feature that microsoft has promised their live subscribers (as a parental control feature?), and if SE were to abide by that, they'd have to code into the game the option for xbox players that have that toggled, to basically have their own exclusive servers (instances) that would exclude ps4 and pc players and that would also only find other xbox players when queued for DF.

SE isn't going to go through all that hassle just to port XIV over to xbox. I'm sure negotiations would go rather well if microsoft would drop the xbox live requirements and option for xbox players to only play with other xbox players. If SE could get Sony to drop PS+ requirements for XIV, don't understand why Microsoft won't budge.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because those games are peer to peer, but a matchmaking server is still a server. The game communicates with players somehow. No mmos have cross platform functionality other than xiv, and the other MMOs have separate servers per platform. XIV does not.

And again, the game let's you choose to play with only Xbox players. You can't do that in xiv.

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Minecraft Realms. Dedicated Minecraft servers run by Microsoft. Any platform can log on those with no restrictions. Except PS4. Because they refuse to have other console in their ecosystem. I know this is irrelevant to a certain extent. I'm not saying that your facts are wrong. What I'm saying is that Microsoft has demonstrably shown that they have no issues allowing other systems connecting to theirs without any restrictions. I'm saying that logically based on information we have now, if a company between Microsoft and Sony is responsible for locking xbox players out of FFXIV, it's Sony. They have done it several times with other games and I feel like that should qualify as a pretty good indication of where they stand with FFXIV. Never mind the Square PR talk. Several other developers have gone on record saying that Sony was blocking cross console connectivity for their respective games.

Either way, I don't even know why I'm debating any of this, I play on PC lol

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Originally Posted by Gralna

It's that toggle option that is holding up the negotiations, it's a feature that microsoft has promised their live subscribers (as a parental control feature?), and if SE were to abide by that, they'd have to code into the game the option for xbox players that have that toggled, to basically have their own exclusive servers (instances) that would exclude ps4 and pc players and that would also only find other xbox players when queued for DF.

SE isn't going to go through all that hassle just to port XIV over to xbox. I'm sure negotiations would go rather well if microsoft would drop the xbox live requirements and option for xbox players to only play with other xbox players. If SE could get Sony to drop PS+ requirements for XIV, don't understand why Microsoft won't budge.

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Microsoft won't budge because the whole thing is PR BS. That toggle is implemented at the discretion of the dev. Without that toggle, Fortnite would still be crossplay on Xbox for example. Microsoft never promised their subscriber any of that. Why would they? If it's not a FPS, no player cares whether they play against PC or other consoles. Bottom line is who cares. If it launches on Xbox, good for anyone interested, if not then I won't lose any sleep over it. I do own a Xbone, but I'd much rather play an MMO on PC.

They BOTH are at fault, Microsoft for their needing gold to play and Sony for saying no to letting xbox and tendo play with them. But You can't really blame sony in this case. Remember.. sony was in Xbox spot last gen and asked them if they can be friends. They said no, so ofcourse when sony is on top.. Why would they say yes to Mircosoft? I'll give you a play by play....

PS3 gen.
Sony " Can we be friend? I noticed you have a larger playerbase.
Soft " LMAO get outta here loser. Why would we play with losers like you.
PS4 gen.
Soft" umm remember when you asked to play with us?
Sony" Sorry.. we can't hear you under all this money and fans....

For the record I want it to be on xbox cause more people... but Sony AND Mircosoft have to come to terms and shake hands. And I don't see either company dropping their stands anytime soon. Hell Sony is already doing the cross thing with PC on a few games, it's not just XIV, Street Fighter V is another one that's cross to PC. So unless SE can make them both sit down, shake hands and be on the same page.. it's not happening.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

THey BOTH are at fault, Microsoft for their needing gold to play and Sony for saying no to lettign xbox and tendo play with them. But You can't really blame sony in this case. Remember.. sony was in Xbox spot last gen and asked them if they can be friends. They said no, so ofcourse when sony is on top.. Why would they say yes to Mircosoft? I'll give you a play by play....

PS3 gen.
Sony " Can we be friend? I noticed you have a larger playerbase.
Soft " LMAO get outta here loser. Why would we play with losers like you.
PS4 gen.
Soft" umm remember when you asked to play with us?
Sony" Sorry.. we can't hear you under all this money and fans....

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There's a whole bunch of truths in that post of yours. That whole hubris thing from the big 3 console makers is cyclical. Each time one of them starts to dominate a console generation, they slowly stop being pro consumers. Seemingly never learning from their past experiences.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

There's a whole bunch of truths in that post of yours. That whole hubris thing from the big 3 console makers is cyclical. Each time one of them starts to dominate a console generation, they slowly stop being pro consumers. Seemingly never learning from their past experiences.

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Pretty much. We can only see what happens in the next few years but yeah.