Lux Weapon For Red/Sam

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Originally Posted by Gemina

There really isn't much reason for SAM and RDM to do what the quest requires. The requirements for the previous two relics, when you boil it down is just doing what most people do throughout their gaming days. They eat up poetics and GC seals like there is no tomorrow, so you run countless dungeons, roulettes, and beast tribes for both quest and poe/seal grind purposes. They can also eat up gil if you don't have your own crafters leveled, or help from one. I did say the journey itself is rewarding, but not the only reward. You still want to yield the fruit of all your labor as well.

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You want the fruit of your labor, but my point is, if they introduce a weapon people will be forced to go through that labor to get it. Your own description doesn't make it sound compelling, so why wall an item behind it? You're thinking about this only from your own perspective, and ignoring the perspective of others who may not feel the same way about the relic quest.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

I don't know about you, but when i think about a Anima Lux-style Rapier my mouth starts to water.
Just... a super simplistic looking tuck that, when drawn, sprouts an elaborate, glowing handguard while the crystal-focus gets WHM-Lux like wings?
Sign me the hell up. xD

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That sounds cool, but why put it behind an obsolete* relic grind? Why not just make a craftable weapon or something? Creating new glamour behind an old grind is bad design.

*When I say "obsolete" what I mean is that the reward is obsolete, and the original reason for the content (i.e., to get a relevant relic weapon) no longer exists. Coil and Alexander are also obsolete in the same sense, as is the Rowena quest to kill Extreme primals for weapons, etc. All of that content is of course still totally viable, and I heartily encourage people who haven't previously played through Alexander to do so now that Normal Raid Roulette makes it convenient to do so. But you're not going to get a meaningful reward. The rewards from obsolete content are still viable as glamour, but Square Enix knows what a pain they are to get at this point, which is why they make craftable versions of so many of them.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

That sounds cool, but why put it behind an obsolete* relic grind? Why not just make a craftable weapon or something? Creating new glamour behind an old grind is bad design.

*When I say "obsolete" what I mean is that the reward is obsolete, and the original reason for the content (i.e., to get a relevant relic weapon) no longer exists. Coil and Alexander are also obsolete in the same sense, as is the Rowena quest to kill Extreme primals for weapons, etc. All of that content is of course still totally viable, and I heartily encourage people who haven't previously played through Alexander to do so now that Normal Raid Roulette makes it convenient to do so. But you're not going to get a meaningful reward. The rewards from obsolete content are still viable as glamour, but Square Enix knows what a pain they are to get at this point, which is why they make craftable versions of so many of them.

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Consistency, really. Sure, you could make it a crafted weapon, but why do RDM and SAM get a crafted variant of something thats clearly meant to emulate the Lux-aesthetic when everyone else has to trudge through the questline? Or, if everyone else gets a reskin, what stops SE from simply reusing the Model and throwing it in the questline? It's not like the relic questlines aren't reusing the same models multiple times anyway.
Its not like the haven't done this before with the UCoB weapon where they've design completely new models for both SAM and RDM but instead of just giving the glowy variant (like they could have) they went through the trouble of retexturing and throwing those retextures into FCoB.

I'll admit that each Relic uses multiple models, but other than that they are retextured. Hell, the Anima-Weapons use each of their 3 models twice, and not even retextured, simply a non-dyable and a dyable variant.
Its especially frustrating in situations as it is occuring now, where in 4.2 everyone got crafted variants of their Zodiac weapons, except the newer Jobs who got relatively random models, SAM and RDM in particular who got retextured models of weapons that aren't even a year old nor are particularly hard to get.
And the same thing is gonna happen with the UwU weapons, where everyone gets their original relic, except again the newer jobs, who either get their HW-Tomeweapons, or to my pleasent surprise, new models.
If they had simply decided to make new models for the newer Jobs instead of reusing old one they'd be half done with the new old relics already, since they'd reuse the models a dozen times anyway with different glows attached to it.

As said, I understand that the devs have to prioritize, I'm just saying that with a little bit of smart planning it's theoretically possible. Or would have been.

As for the obsolete Questline, yes, they can be a pain to go through, but I personally would feel more accomplished going through the journey to get a relic (even if its just a nice glamour) rather then just buying a reused asset of the market board. Its kinda like the difference between an actually antique Ming-Vase versus a cheap knockoff just for show. Not to mention it doesn't exactly make the content less obsolete.
It just cheapens the meaning of the Relics, imo.

I myself just completed the sch lux weapon because I love the wings , why ? Because no one uses it anymore. I rarely see people with lux / and that is why I asked about Red and Sam is because I would do it all over again for red mages weapon because I think it look really nice . I say put it there for the people who would want to go for it, it’s something to do, even if it’s out dated.

But there's no reason to give RDM and SAM Lux weapons. Much like how there's no reason to give AST, DRK, MCH, RDM and SAM Zeta weapons.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

The question should be why wouldn't they?

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It sets a precedent for any future jobs. If they make Zodiac/Anima weapons for RDM/SAM, people will expect SE to make Zodiac/Anima/Eureka weapons for the 5.0 jobs, and Zodiac/Anima/Eureka/5.x relic weapons for the 6.0 jobs, etc.

By 6.0, they'd have to make these models for each job added in that expansion:
Two Zodiac weapon models along with variations (colour/glow) since the weapon changes model at one point.
Three Anima weapon models, with the same reasoning as the Zodiac weapons.
However many models that the Eureka weapon will change to.

All this designing for weapons that are only used for glamour, at that point.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

I mean, they added Dreawyrm Weapons for them when Ultimate Bahamut was released and reused those models, why not do the same with Relics now that the Models are reused in Ultimate Ultima? They don't need to do all steps at once, they could add them slowly over time.

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The base model of the SAM/RDM Dreadwyrm weapons were more of a byproduct, since they had to make the Ultimate version. The Ultima Ultimate weapon is just the base relic, so they'd still have to make the different variations for each step, and the Zodiac model for the last few steps.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

The question should be why wouldn't they? I mean, they added Dreawyrm Weapons for them when Ultimate Bahamut was released and reused those models, why not do the same with Relics now that the Models are reused in Ultimate Ultima? They don't need to do all steps at once, they could add them slowly over time.

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They added these weps to t13 a loooong time ago way before ucb